coco coir preflowering auto dying

MickFoster

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You can disagree all you want, everyone has their own method, what works for one doesnt always work for another, your grow looks nice so props on whatever you do. But on the real you've probly never heard about it cuz it only takes 2 eyeballs to see it happen,
Chill out dude, there's no need to be rude. I don't really understand your hostility - I did say it with respect and never claimed my way was the right way and yours was the wrong way. Seems to me that if you water by hand and you get a washed out area all you have to do is smooth out the coco with your hand or you can put a layer of hydroton on top of the coco to prevent it.

Or you can use these.

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Peace.
 

JackSkell

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Chill out dude, there's no need to be rude. I don't really understand your hostility - I did say it with respect and never claimed my way was the right way and yours was the wrong way. Seems to me that if you water by hand and you get a washed out area all you have to do is smooth out the coco with your hand or you can put a layer of hydroton on top of the coco to prevent it.

Or you can use these.

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Peace.
there was no hostility, im just naturally an asshole because i expect more common sense from people than they usually have, but i even commended you on your grow so not sure why you think i was gashing you.. the only thing i said that was even mildly a gash at you was when i said to the OP "just because *somepeople* like blindly mixing nutes together doesn't mean you should" and thats simply because you told him he doesnt need a TDS meter, any experienced grower will tell you you need to monitor TDS or EC, its the only way to be sure of your solution strength, but again to each their own. oh btw the pic you posted is a type of drip ring, which falls under the category of drip systems, which is what i suggested to him to begin with. Happy growing
 

MickFoster

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"just because *somepeople* like blindly mixing nutes together doesn't mean you should" and thats simply because you told him he doesnt need a TDS meter, any experienced grower will tell you you need to monitor TDS or EC, its the only way to be sure of your solution strength, but again to each their own
I don't require an EC meter because I use the KISS Method and I know that 7 grams per gallon of MaxiBloom in tap water is full strength. I adjust it down for immature plants. I never have a deficiency or a discolored leaf. Do you have pics of your grows?
 

JackSkell

Active Member
Of course i do but now you're just trying to start a pissing contest so im not gonna indulge you. OP made this thread to get info, we both gave him our info, you disagree with mine, i disagree with yours, doesnt make either of us any less of a grower, from the very start i have said "to each their own" so you just do you man, if you can mix your nutes blindly but accurately then go you!- seriously thats impressive.. but that doesnt mean you should be suggesting to others, especially newbies, to not use a meter.
 

xtsho

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Coco is temperamental but once you figure it out it's easy. I use blumats and don't even bother with watering. In fact I sometimes go for days without looking at my plants. I check the reservoir level and that's it.
Coco is a breeze once you figure it out. Unfortunately things can go bad fast but they can also be corrected fast as well.
At this point I think the best thing the OP could do is transplant into regular soil. A good soil not Miracle Grow or the cheap stuff. Water with just plain water until the plants starts taking off which it should do. Then wait a week or two before introducing any nutrients. Good soil has all you need for awhile. After that if the OP wants to grow in coco there is a plethora of information available online. Coco when done right provides growth rates close to traditional hydroponic methods. I just cut this in between posts. Started from seed and put under 11 on 13 off after second set of true leaves. Grown in one gallon pot with coco as the medium. Nothing but VitaGrow nutrients and fulvic acid always ph'd to 6.0. No calmag, no super dooper big bloom, etc... 20" single bud in seven weeks.

 

MickFoster

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if you can mix your nutes blindly but accurately then go you!- seriously thats impressive.. but that doesnt mean you should be suggesting to others, especially newbies, to not use a meter.
With respect - all quality nutes have feeding schedules to follow. Granted, they all increase the amounts to sell product, but nevertheless it's a point of reference to use. When I did DWC and Waterfarms I used an EC meter because the ppm's in the reservoir changed and required daily monitoring. Not necessary in my opinion when you're mixing a gallon at a time to top feed either coco or soil.
 

xtsho

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With respect - all quality nutes have feeding schedules to follow. Granted, they all increase the amounts to sell product, but nevertheless it's a point of reference to use. When I did DWC and Waterfarms I used an EC meter because the ppm's in the reservoir changed and required daily monitoring. Not necessary in my opinion when you're mixing a gallon at a time to top feed either coco or soil.
Or when you're using a reservoir to gravity feed as I do with blumats. I have mixed the same nutrients for over ten years. I can almost tell the ec just by the color. I mix five gallons at a time. The same measurements yield the same ec so I rarely even check. The PH is more important. The PH of the water coming out of your tap can change if infrequently. I use phosphoric acid to lower the PH. Even though I have the measurements down to always hit 6.0 I still check the PH. I occasionally check the PH in the reservoir but it never changes. When you use a stable nutrient solution and don't add a bunch of additional unnecessary additives it's easy to keep things stable and still get excellent results.
 

NinjaMaster

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ok guys thanks for the advice.

I flushed the hell out of the plants and bought a ph drop test kit and voila - the plant is making a comeback. the leaves are standing up again :)

I have also ordered hydro nutes a and b and 5L containers to mix them into individually.
Will never use Nitrosol again.
 

NinjaMaster

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Yo Yo Yo!

Just wanted to say thanks for all the advice on growing autos in coco.
Its been a couple of weeks and things have come right!

I ended up buying a PH TEST KIT (the drops to test water)
And Hydro nutrients a / b and bloom booster.
I did not buy an EC meter yet but am measuring runoff and keeping my feedings to 5.5 - 6.0
This seemed like the most cost effective solution and its working.

Now all my problems are gone. My plant is a dwarf but it definitely made a comeback and im sure my next Auto will be fuggin GREAT!

Here is a before and after as a result of this thread:
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After:
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boilingoil

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Been top feeding coir DTW for 10 years now. I rarely water to run-off anymore, no need to if you have dialed in your nutrient regime. 450 ppm veg feeds and 550 ppm flower feeds, hand fed once a day with 48 ounce of nutrient solution per pot. 9 liter pots.
Coir is all I use now for my indoor crops. Here is a bunch of shots of plants grown this way in coir.
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