Colorado AG Cries out for the Feds (in a way)

Ernst

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I made a new thread because I don't want to be a "Debbie-Downer" in the celebration threads but the War must go on.. Well I wish we could have Peace but you know the routine.



As it should be Colorado Attorney General will honor the new amendment to the Constitution but is calling for the Feds to get into the fray as soon as possible.

DENVER -- Colorado Attorney General John Suthers, an ardent opponent of marijuana legalization, said Wednesday he would respect the will of the voters on Amendment 64 but cast doubt on the measure's long term success.
The measure -- which legalizes possession of up to an ounce of marijuana and allows for a commercial, recreational marijuana industry -- passed on Tuesday and will take effect as soon as the final vote is certified sometime before the end of the year.
"Despite my strongly held belief that the 'legalization' of marijuana on a state level is very bad public policy, voters can be assured that the Attorney General's Office will move forward in assisting the pertinent executive branch agencies to implement this new provision in the Colorado Constitution," Suthers wrote in a statement.
But Suthers cast doubt on the long term legality of Amendment 64, saying, "the ability of the federal government to criminally sanction possession, use and distribution of marijuana, even if grown, distributed and used in a single state, was recognized by the U.S. Supreme Court ." "Therefore, absent action by Congress, Coloradans should not expect to see successful legal challenges to the ability of the federal government to enforce its marijuana laws in Colorado," Suthers wrote.
He urged the U.S. Department of Justice -- which has been considering lawsuits in Colorado and in Washington, where a legalization measure also passed Tuesday, to block the new marijuana laws -- to articulate its response "as soon as possible."
So on the One Side of his Face he says.. Colorado I love you no matter what and on the other side of his face he is calling the cops on Colorado...



And another chapter in our twisted war on drugs where a victory has to be turned into defeat because a lot of Federal Monies are involved.



Source : http://www.mercurynews.com/elections/ci_21948006/colorado-attorney-general-suthers-says-he-will-respect



I'll be looking for the Political reaction on the Internet and will confine the reports here. I too am celebrating the news but not ready to let my guard down yet.


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Here is CBS with Colorado's Govenor who says they cannot have it all but we will see.


https://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50134655n&rct=j&sa=X&ei=brWaUOD4LIeliQLG4IGQCg&sqi=2&ved=0CHMQuAIwCQ&q=legalization&usg=AFQjCNHbPt2yuFphaifYuhXOr-5OVOjZww&cad=rja
 

srh2006

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it will always be a fight till the feds let off but it's a step forward i never thought would happen keep up the fight and keep in mind that how the citizens of the states act while affect the rest of the country so if it all goes we'll we might get more states to join
 

Ernst

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I like your reply srh2006.

I'm thinking also that I feel better with Obama making some of the Calls on this rather than Romney.

Indeed Colorado's Constitution is a goodly Rock in the Hard Place of Federal Schedule 1 status.. That could change.

All in all it should be the Federal law that bends in this case not Colorado's Constitution.
 

srh2006

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well they can't ignore the voice of the people forever and with the two states getting it gave me at least a new feeling of the people having a voice and it counting for some thing i guess a little bit of my hope in this country has been restored i think Obama will do great things on this subject he doesn't have to worry any more about reelection and from what norml is reporting over 50% support across the country i feel great things in the future just have to wait and aren't all good things worth waiting for
 

Ernst

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The contrast between Washington and Colorado are an interesting spread...

Washington has Drug Testing if you are pulled over so that is sharp teeth in the ass if you have a tail light out on your car.
On the other Hand Colorado seems to offer much more liberty, I am yet to find info on that, and as such what exactly will the Federal Government settle on..

If they could they would have wiped out Medical Use.


Change is hard won so we are truly blessed.
I was in Colorado in 1969-1970 I was about 8&1/2 and know the Hippie experience from that time in my life.
 

Toorop

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I am looking into moving in one of these states. I would like the feds to pull their heads out of their asses and realize the profit margin weed can bring them with taxes.
 

srh2006

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yeah their saying they can get 500 mill off a 25% tax hope it goes well show the feds and other states were not screwing around any more
 
At least we have a couple of our Reps working for legalization, unlike Hickenlooper who is asking Holder what the Feds are going to do: http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2012/nov/11/colorado_dems_seek_federal_exemp

But I do understand Hickenlooper's caution, even if he disagrees with the will of the people, because at best AG Holder and the DEA have been acting like inconsistent psychopaths when it comes to cannabis prohibition.

I can't wait to start growing again, but this time legally. :bigjoint:
 

growone

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if nothing else, Colorado voters have told DEA/DOJ to go it alone on enforcement inside the state
large ops will still be in the cross hairs, but the small home grower should be doing back flips
 

colonuggs

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Alls it will take is for the FEDs to reschedule marijunana out of #1....they are in court right now being shown the medical benifits.

Advocates challenge marijuana's classification, present scientific evidence for first time in nearly 20 years


For the first time in nearly 20 years, advocates will use scientific evidence of marijuana's medical efficacy to try to force a change in the federal government's classification of marijuana as a dangerous drug with no medical value.


Medical marijuana advocates will participate in oral arguments Tuesday before the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit in the landmark case Americans for Safe Access v. Drug Enforcement Administration. Advocates contend that the government has arbitrarily and capriciously kept marijuana classified as a Schedule I substance and out of reach for millions of Americans by ignoring overwhelming research on the therapeutic value of marijuana


"Medical marijuana patients are finally getting their day in court," said Joe Elford, who will be arguing the case before the court Tuesday as chief counsel with Americans for Safe Access, a medical marijuana advocacy group. "This is a rare opportunity for patients to confront politically motivated decision-making with scientific evidence of marijuana's medical efficacy."



ASA
Joe Elford, Americans for Safe Access: "This is a rare opportunity for patients to confront politically motivated decision-making with scientific evidence of marijuana's medical efficacy"
"What's at stake in this case is nothing less than our country's scientific integrity and the imminent needs of millions of patients," Elford said.


Tuesday's oral arguments are the culmination of efforts started 10 years ago by the Coalition for Rescheduling Cannabis (CRC). In 2002, the CRC filed a rescheduling petition that the federal government refused to answer until last year when advocates sued the Obama Administration for unreasonable delay. After the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) denied the CRC petition in July of last year, ASA responded by filing an appeal with the D.C. Circuit in January.


Patient advocates claim that marijuana is treated unlike any other controlled substance and that politics has dominated over medical science on this issue. Advocates point to a research approval process for marijuana, controlled by the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), which is unique, overly rigorous, and hinders meaningful therapeutic research.


ASA argues in its appeal brief that the DEA has no "license to apply different criteria to marijuana than to other drugs, ignore critical scientific data, misrepresent social science research, or rely upon unsubstantiated assumptions, as the DEA has done in this case."


Tuesday's oral arguments come just months after a study was published in The Open Neurology Journal by Dr. Igor Grant, one of the leading U.S. medical marijuana researchers, stating that marijuana's Schedule I classification is "not tenable." Dr. Grant and his fellow researchers concluded it was "not accurate that cannabis has no medical value, or that information on safety is lacking."


The study urged additional research, and stated that marijuana's federal classification and its political controversy are "obstacles to medical progress in this area." Marijuana's classification as a Schedule I substance (the same as heroin, and allegedly more dangerous than methamphetamine and cocaine in Schedule II) is based on the federal government's position that it has "no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States."


An open letter from more than 70 medical professionals in 15 U.S. states, including physicians, physician assistants, and registered nurse practitioners, is being sent to the Obama Administration in advance of Tuesday's arguments. The letter cites favorable positions on rescheduling by the American Medical Association, the American College of Physicians, and the American Nurses Association, refuting the federal government's position that marijuana lacks "currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States."


Seventeen states and the District of Columbia have adopted medical marijuana laws that not only recognize the medical efficacy of marijuana, but also provide safe and legal access to it. Since the CRC petition was filed in 2002, an even greater number of studies have been published that show the medical benefits of marijuana for illnesses such as neuropathic pain, multiple sclerosis, and Alzheimer's.


Last year, the National Cancer Institute, a division of the federal Department of Health and Human Services, added cannabis to its list of Complementary Alternative Medicines, pointing out that it's been therapeutically used for millennia.


The panel of judges assigned to hear oral arguments includes Circuit Judges Henderson and Garland, and Senior Circuit Judge Edwards.
 

TreeOfLiberty

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Colorado’s governor and attorney general spoke by phone Friday with U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, with no signal whether the U.S. Justice Department would sue to block the marijuana measure.

If Colorado’s marijuana ballot measure is not blocked, it would take effect by Jan. 5, the deadline for the governor to add the amendment to the state constitution. The measure allows adults to possess up to an ounce of marijuana, and six marijuana plants, though public use of the drug and driving while intoxicated are prohibited.

(From the tail end of this article > )

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/politicsnorthwest/2012/11/13/gregoire-says-feds-undecided-about-blocking-new-marijuana-law/

Notice how the article says " If Colorado's marijuana ballot is not blocked, it would take effect by Jan. 5, the deadline for the governor to add the amendment to the state constitution."

That sounds like Gov. Hickenlooper wouldn't add it to the Colorado constitution with just the Feds telling him "We're blocking it". The people of Colorado have spoken, it's done, we've won that right. I don't understand the graveling to the Feds for their blessing when they're not going to give it as well as it's unnecessary.

If adding it to the Colorado state constitution brings about a showdown, then so be it, it needs to be taken to that level. Colorado has the better legalization bill compared to Washington's I-502 as we don't have to rely on going to a state-run dispensary like they are planning to buy it. Amendment 64 is written allowing home cultivation, so even if the DEA shutdown retail pot shops trying to open up, or either getting shutdown shortly after opening up, the personal home cultivation is still in the bill.

Let the DEA bring their forces in, and if they prevent pot stores from selling recreationally, at least the concern over a Colorado policeman or deputy is gone because of Amendment 64's legalization of home cultivation and possession.

If the 64 amendment isn't added to the constitution , then Colorado police and Colorado deputies will continue on with cultivation and possession arrests ? Someone tell me that can't happen , I mean Coloradans voted on it and it passed. The legality of that fact cannot change because of a chicken shit Governor , right ?

My medical recommendation expires on Jan.18, and I wasn't planning on renewing it because of Amendment 64 passing.
 

Ernst

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Oh so Very Interesting!

Obama knows the Weed People turned to him because of the lesser of two evils. What will it be? Heads or Tails? Pun intended.

I'm glued! The door has been cracked and a Romney would have tried to slam the door on the foot without success but it would have hurt (again)

Wonderful post.
 
Renew your red card anyway, liberty. The earliest we will start to see recreational shops open in Colorado is 2014 assuming there aren't any problems by the Feds suing for a block. Depending on how or if this plays out in courts, the opposition could block parts of the amendment that are in question, where there is an indirect / direct conflict with the Federal law, citing either US v Arizona or some commerce clause overreach like they usually do.

The parts they cannot block, such as home growing will allow us to get by, but I would hate to see the MMJ distribution buckle with a majority of the patients not renewing. I am in the process of applying for my red card mainly so I can get different strains other than what I wil be growing, and I don't think I am patient enough to wait a year for recreational shops to open. I never thought I would be glad to have arthritis. ;-)

You could look at the legalization in this way: the federal government banned the right for people to put prosthetic foreheads on their head, citing that people might use inferior glueing techniques and go on a mad spree killing or start raping people, they made it illegal by congressional vote citing health concerns and not letting the people have a say in its legality. But people like wearing prosthetic foreheads on their real heads and there is absolutely no evidence stating that the manufacturing of said prosthetics is dangerous, even if the scare tactics being shoved upon the people force them to only wear their prosthetic foreheads in private.
Years later States allow people to wear these prosthetic foreheads because there are untold benefits to such practice and scientific evidence to back it up. Some people see wearing these prosthetic foreheads as silly and it offends them so they continue to try and keep it illegal... Then hopefully a smart judicial council will see that it is up to the individual whether they want to wear these prosthetic foreheads, no matter how silly they might think it is, and leave it where it should have belonged in the first place: as a states rights issue. ...sorry about the poor comparison, but I've been listening to They Might Be Giants all day.
 

Ernst

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Nevertheless we can all find solace in Cannabis-Brotherhood at this point.. All of us.
 

TreeOfLiberty

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I have never had a red card, since 2009 when I moved to Colorado all I have kept is an up to date doctor recommendation and stayed at or under the state MMJ plant limit. I've gotten by like this for over 3 yrs. The CDPHE has violated the patient confidentiality rights of those within the registry by sharing it with law enforcement databases. I've never had to rely on the over priced MMJ dispensaries as my 2.5' x 2.5' space and 250 HPS has always given me enough to get by on.

This is why the home cultivation part of Amendment 64 is so important to me. My biggest concern is not the DEA but the local Colorado law enforcement authorities,- state police, city police, county deputies. It's these forces that Amendment 64 strips of power to arrest over cultivation and possession. The Feds/DEA will not honor and have even said they will not honor ANY marijuana legalization bill.

My concern is if that chicken shit Gov. Hickenlooper doesn't add Amendment 64 to the Colorado state constitution by Jan.5, then Amendment 64 doesn't become official, and more or less just ends up being symbolic along the lines of how the city of Denver voted on making marijuana arrests the lowest priority for Denver police in 2007 and we see how that turned out with business as usual for the Denver police.

The biggest threat to freedom for the home grower has always been the local city or county law enforcement. We will see if the Gov. adds Amendment 64 to the state constitution by Jan.5, if not , I'll be paying another $50 to a doctor to keep my recommendation current as Amendment 20 does not require MMJ users to register with the CDPHE to be legal, only that they have a written doctor recommendation.
 

chrishydro

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This is exactly why it is important to vote, when his term is up vote him out. Organize and get behind who ever runs against him.
 
Liberty, I'm glad that you are growing for yourself, and I definitely agree with you about the CDPHE.
Buying at dispensaries is way too much, considering a decent home grow setup costs basically the same for a perpetual grow as going to a dispensary once or twice.

I wish that Hickenlooper grew a set and acted more like Polis, back in June he was questioning the DEA Admin, basically ripping her a new one; it brings a smile to my face watching this:
[video=youtube;kFgrB2Wmh5s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFgrB2Wmh5s&sns=em[/video]
 
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