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doogleef

Well-Known Member
I ran across this from the CSU extension and the Bath Garden Center in FTC. Good stuff about local soil conditions and some basic info. Thought I would share:



SOIL—THE KEY TO SUCCESSFUL GARDENING


Quick Facts...

• Organic matter is best used as an amendment rather than a source of fertilizer.

• First determine whether the problem in growing healthy plants is nutrition or a physical
property of the soil.

• The best soils for growing plants are uniform in texture throughout the root zone and have a
good balance of minerals, air and organic matter.

• If a soil is too sandy or high in clay, the solution to both extremes is essentially the same: add
organic matter.


Interest in organic Gardening has been successful largely because the practice encourages the use
of organic matter as an amendment, thereby improving soil texture (tilth). This, in turn, improves the
environment for good root growth and the development of soil microorganisms that make nutrients
more readily available.

Organic matter also supplies some nutrients, but most forms of organic matter are rather low in
amounts when compared with the commercial inorganic sources. From the standpoint of plant use,
it makes no difference whether the nutrients are supplied from organic or inorganic sources since
the plants can only use the nutrients in the basic inorganic form.
The difference is primarily in the
availability. For instance, nitrogen from organic sources is released more slowly than from most
commercial fertilizers.

Slow release of nutrients would be desirable in a soil already adequate in nutritional levels. On the
other hand, where soils are deficient in one or more nutrients, it usually is desirable to add
commercial, more quickly available fertilizers to correct the deficiency.

Before adding fertilizers to a soil, first determine whether a problem in growing healthy plants is due
to nutrition or a physical property of the soil, such as poor texture. A plant in a "tight," poorly
aerated soil may do poorly because the root system is unable to utilize the nutrients, even though
they may be present in adequate amounts. Amendment with organic matter to "open up" the soil
first is more appropriate in this case than adding a commercial fertilizer.

Soil Texture and Drainage

Soil with a steep slope, while having good surface run-off (often confused with good drainage), may
have poor subsurface drainage if the texture is fine (high in clay) or if underlying soils create a
barrier to water movement. Water is always held more tightly in fine soils than in coarse, sandy
soils. A fine-textured soil underlaid with buried organic matter, sand and even gravel will not drain
well. The water will not move through the coarse layer because it is held more tightly in the finer textured
soil above. The best soils for growing plants are uniform in texture throughout the root zone
with a good balance of minerals, air and organic matter.

Texture Test: Roll some slightly moistened soil between your thumb and forefinger. If it forms a
firm ball, feels smooth and becomes sticky when moistened, it is too high in clay. If you cannot form
a ball, the soil won't stay together and it feels somewhat grainy, the soil will be of a better texture. If,
on the other hand, the soil feels very coarse, it may be too sandy and will not hold an adequate
amount of water.

Subsoil Drainage Test: Dig a hole in the Garden area about 12 inches deep and the diameter of a
spade. Pour water in the hole to the rim. Refill the hole a day later and observe how long it takes for
all the water to soak in. If the water soaks in within a few minutes, the subsoil drainage may be too
good. Such soils may not hold enough water to sustain plant life and can loose valuable nutrients
through leaching. If the water takes more than one hour to soak in, the subsoil drainage may be poor.
Plants may suffer from oxygen starvation (drowning) under these conditions.

Soil Amendments

Soil improvement is a continual process. It often takes 10 or more years to make a productive Garden
soil. If your soil is too sandy or too high in clay, the solution to both extremes is essentially the same -
- add organic matter. In a sandy soil, organic matter acts much like a sponge to hold moisture and
nutrients. In clay, organic matter helps to aggregate the finer particles allowing for larger pore spaces,
thus improving aeration and drainage.
It is possible, especially in clay soils, to create a soluble salt problem by adding too much organic
matter all at once. The general "rule of thumb" is to incorporate no more than 3 cubic yards of
organic matter per 1,000 square feet per year. This is equivalent to 1-1/4 inches of amendment on the
soil surface before it is tilled in. All amendments added should be thoroughly tilled into the soil,
making it a uniform mixture.
The best organic amendments include relatively coarse, partially decomposed compost and aged
barnyard manure. The type of manure is not important, but it should be at least one year old if
planting is anticipated soon after amendment. Fresh manure usually is too high in ammonia, which
injures plant roots. If the manure has a strong acrid odor, avoid using it or let the amended ground lie
fallow for several months before planting. Because of high salts, avoid repeated use of most feedlot
manures unless the salts can be leached first. Dairy cattle manure generally is lower in salt content.
Coarse sphagnum peat is a good amendment but is expensive when compared with manure or
compost. Avoid using the "native" sedge peats unless mixed with coarser material. Most are too fine
in texture and can act as a "glue," further complicating a tight soil situation.
In addition to coarse sand, inorganic amendments include calcine clay products (such as Turface),
pulverized volcanic rock (scoria), perlite (heat-treated limestone) and diatomaceous earth. These
materials are comparatively expensive and probably feasible only to amend small plots or small
amounts of potting soils.

Liquid Amendments

Like household detergents, liquid products break the surface tension of water around the soil particle
and allow deeper water penetration. They in no way increase the pore space of a soil. The liquid
"conditioners," therefore, cannot be considered as soil amendments and are properly called
"adjuvants." At best, they may provide a temporary improvement of water penetration but do not
"break up clay soils" as some claim. They are not substitutes for amendments.

What About Gypsum?
Gypsum is a salt -- calcium sulfate -- and when added to calcareous clay soils (the typical high
calcium soil in Colorado), does no more than increase the already high calcium content. Thus,
gypsum + calcareous clay = gypsum + calcareous clay. In other words, adding gypsum to a soil that
does not need calcium is a waste of money. Also avoid adding gypsum to a saline soil (soil high in
salts). Gypsum increases salt levels.
The use of sulfur in a clay soil high in calcium also has been acclaimed by some as a method of
breaking up a tight soil. While sulfur added in small amounts over a long period of time eventually can
improve the soil condition and reduce soil alkalinity, this practice generally is not advised because the
sulfur reacting with the calcium simply forms gypsum.
The only soil that can be benefited by adding gypsum is a soil high in sodium, called "sodic soil" or
"black alkali." These soils normally are found where there is a high water table and poor drainage.
Such soils are hard and cloddy when dry and take water very slowly. Few plants can survive in them
 

NewGrowth

Well-Known Member
I thought that marijuana wasn't sales taxable because it's rated like drugs.

Do the dispenseries pay the state and city sales taxes - or just IRS taxes?

If they do pay sales tax (meaning the customer is paying sales tax), is the tax included in the $50 eighth price?
They tried to fight sales tax in court and lost. The court has ruled in Colorado that marijuana is a taxable commodity. Here locally we are actually required to report our sales tax and remit payment monthly, most business' are required to report only quarterly or annually.

Just like anything else you buy in the store sales tax is tacked on after you buy it. So your $50 1/8 would actually be $50 +tax.
 

woodya

Member
Green docs, DENVER is a great place to get your mmj card, its owned by lawyers and the people there are nice. They should have there dispensary LOCAL PRODUCTS up and running soon.
Just google them
They can answer many of your questions,
a good place i have found for new growers is The Big Tomato in Aurora they answer all my questions even when i tell them i will get the parts i need from Lowes they are very helpful.

I say the quicker you get your MMJ card the better, i have not heard of any major changes to the criteria
 

Arvada

Member
They tried to fight sales tax in court and lost. The court has ruled in Colorado that marijuana is a taxable commodity. Here locally we are actually required to report our sales tax and remit payment monthly, most business' are required to report only quarterly or annually.

Just like anything else you buy in the store sales tax is tacked on after you buy it. So your $50 1/8 would actually be $50 +tax.

Personally, I am glad the state and city collects thier sales tax. It keeps them happy.
I used to have a carpet business, and you could choose between quartarly or monthly remittance for your sales tax. A business with substantial earnings would choose monthly payments, versus a slower business would choose pay by quarter.
 

Arvada

Member
Someone. please shed some light (pun intended), on "steralized" soils. Over the years, I have read that soil used should be sterile, to prevent weed seeds and other bad stuff (bugs?) from contaminating the soil.
I seem to remember a reference to baking the soil sterile, but the smell is supposed to be bad.
Is "sterality" desireable in soil?
Do any packaged soils offer this feature?
What think you?
 

growman09

Active Member
sterile soil might sound good but is very very very bad there is nothing alive in this soil because you kill it just by some good soil like fox farms or some of the many other good organic soils your plants root system and plants healyh needs the differnert alive stuff in soil if you stay away frow cheap soils you usually dont have to worry bout bugs
 

Philo2

Active Member
Howdy Mile High Growers.

I've got a good money saving tip for you. If you have problems with Colorado's low humidity, check out the local thrift stores. I've purchased, top shape, digital humidifiers for $2.00 at the Thrift Store on South Broadway. $50 less than the same model sells for at Walmart.

With my old house and old school furnace; my humidity is super low. I have two humidifiers running in my veg room.
 

NewGrowth

Well-Known Member
Someone. please shed some light (pun intended), on "steralized" soils. Over the years, I have read that soil used should be sterile, to prevent weed seeds and other bad stuff (bugs?) from contaminating the soil.
I seem to remember a reference to baking the soil sterile, but the smell is supposed to be bad.
Is "sterality" desireable in soil?
Do any packaged soils offer this feature?
What think you?
sterile soil might sound good but is very very very bad there is nothing alive in this soil because you kill it just by some good soil like fox farms or some of the many other good organic soils your plants root system and plants healyh needs the differnert alive stuff in soil if you stay away frow cheap soils you usually dont have to worry bout bugs


This is not entirely true, some soils are great and are also "sterilized". Foxfarms sells great products that are not sterilized but they also contain only high quality 'organic' ingredients.

A great sterilized mix would be Sunshine #4, a mix of peat and pearlite that people often use to blend their own soil.
 

Arvada

Member
Good info. I already bought 8 bags of Foxfarm Ocean Forest.
The last time I grew indoors was 1983. That's where these back of the mind thoughts come from.
Since then I grew about four times in my backyard over the years.
Now, with my upcoming MMR, I am looking forward to indoor gardening. The electric bill is hard to swallow, tho. I live off SS.
 

doogleef

Well-Known Member
All depends on what u r feeding your girls. If you are relying on organic fertilizers that rely on a lot of microbial activity, then no, it would not be for you. Unless you mix it up and let it mellow for a few weeks before planting. But if you are using a non-organic readily available chem fert then inert mediums are great. I like 100% coco for soilless medium. Here's the pix from my coco run last yr. : SWEET PORN ALERT! :bongsmilie:

http://s851.photobucket.com/albums/ab78/ruidoogleef/Coco/?start=all

O and the pix of my big moms in little pots are in here:

http://s851.photobucket.com/albums/ab78/ruidoogleef/Remote/
 
Fellow CO med users, where is the best place in the Metro area to land bug free, healthy organic clones? Iam looking for clones in the 16in + range, but not the same dozen or so strains that everyone in Denver seems to have. Any help guys?
 

DannyGreenEyes

Well-Known Member
Fellow CO med users, where is the best place in the Metro area to land bug free, healthy organic clones? Iam looking for clones in the 16in + range, but not the same dozen or so strains that everyone in Denver seems to have. Any help guys?
At 16" it's no longer a clone, it's a plant and it will cost you more. This is a 16" plant in the pic. and I'm not selling it, but if you were to buy a plant this size from someone else it would cost you about $100 give or take.

There are plenty of places to buy clones (6" & under generally). To find the ones you want you'd have to call around.

MSG me in private if you're looking for Opium, Durban Poison, Blueberry, or NY Diesel.

And never talk about trading or buying anything in these forums, it's against the site policy.
 

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noob4life

Member
Are there any outside growers around here? Im up over 8k ft and have been thinking about this next spring for my first outside grow. The spots Im thinkin of are kind of on the side of a mountain. Would this cause problems for natural water reaching the plant? I thought about putting them in the middle of gullies up high, but will these recieve enough liquid diet? Rocky soil??? Maybe put a bag of fox farm in a small hole to give some actual good soil?

Also
When is the approx. time to plant outside around here (4:20???)(obviously after last freeze), and what time do they seem to be ready by? (4:30???)

Grassy Ass
 

growman09

Active Member
at that altitude you willhave to wait probably till towards the end of april or early may and prob the growing season will end by september early.
If you want mature plants i would start some seedlings or clones prob clones that way u know they r girls in your house first and then plant outside good lock buddy where u at Evergreen?
 
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