Colorado patients MUST DO THIS!!!!!!!!!!!

quietguy420

quietguy420

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Tell your doctor you need an edibles plant count because 3 flowering just aren't cutting it. You cant make a 3 months supply of eddibles with the little bit of herb your getting. They don't need to know your a master gardener. Most places have no problem bumping your count up as long as you pay for another visit to see the doc over. Just went from 6 to 24 plant count now. Colorado had a law that will protect patients and caregivers with larger plant counts.

(4) (a) A patient may engage in the medical use of marijuana, with no more marijuana than is medically necessary to address a debilitating medical condition. A patient's medical use of marijuana, within the following limits, is lawful:
(I) No more than two ounces of a usable form of marijuana; and
(II) No more than six marijuana plants, with three or fewer being mature, flowering plants that are producing a usable form of marijuana.
(b) For quantities of marijuana in excess of these amounts, a patient or his or her primary care-giver may raise as an affirmative defense to charges of violation of state law that such greater amounts were medically necessary to address the patient's debilitating medical condition.


Check out Article II section b
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SoCoMMJ

SoCoMMJ

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But what do you do with all that extra?

I don't know too many people that can smoke, eat, or otherwise consume a pound a month.

BTW, an affirmative defense means it might help in a courtroom. But you had better have your doctor there to back you up, an obviously severe and documented condition, and be able to sell the jury on your need for that volume of meds.

A 24 plant count rec is not the golden ticket you might think that it is :-)
 
quietguy420

quietguy420

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Well ill be eating and smoking any time I feel the need and giving away extra to friends and family with cards. IF i should need to go to court, I do have the option of using affirmative defense and already asked my doc if she was willing to testify that more plants are necessary for my edibles. People acting like were doing something wrong help feed into the taboo hysteria. I'm growing a plant my doctor and I feel benefit my day to day life. I'm not taking drugs that can cause heart attacks, indigestion, hysteria, suicide, rectal bleeding as side effects. In my view I'm doing something much safer than those people who pop 4 Tylenol a day or take the hard pharm drugs. I wasn't raised to believe there was anything wrong with marijuana, my grandmother used to make tea for me when I was younger to alleviate my chronic migraines. If native Americans can use peyote for their beliefs why cant my family freely use cannabis for ours. Cannabis can be used for thousands of ailments from cramps, pms, nausea, etc..... I just eat a brownie when ANY ailment affects me. Its nice to not have to go to a dispensary and pay $6 for a single brownie. Everyone should be entitled to grow as much as they want and then just give the excess away or sell it to other patients for dirt cheap. I do edibles, oil and hash now so 3 plants legitimately wasn't enough anyway.
Golden ticket recreational?? Do you even know my medical history? Do you discriminate against your patients like that? Thanks for the respect though.
 
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pikes peak 69

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I didn't read any kind of dis or negativity in Socommj answer.
He is corrct that you can get an edible increase, but you will have to pay an Attorney to prove all that in court, if your charged. You may win if you have all your ducks in a row.

If you stay within the 3/3 that is lawful, then the burden of proof shifts to the prosecution and they must prove you don't need MMJ. I've never heard of a case going to trial for a patient/caregiver being within the 3/3.

I lnow that growing trees may not be the most productive way to produce your meds, but if LEO happens into your garden, 3 trees flowering sounds a whole lot better then 99 or even 25 flowering. Especially if the media has an opportunity to blow it out of proportion.


Just a thought.

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quietguy420 said:
Well ill be eating and smoking any time I feel the need and giving away extra to friends and family with cards. IF i should need to go to court, I do have the option of using affirmative defense and already asked my doc if she was willing to testify that more plants are necessary for my edibles. People acting like were doing something wrong help feed into the taboo hysteria. I'm growing a plant my doctor and I feel benefit my day to day life. I'm not taking drugs that can cause heart attacks, indigestion, hysteria, suicide, rectal bleeding as side effects. In my view I'm doing something much safer than those people who pop 4 Tylenol a day or take the hard pharm drugs. I wasn't raised to believe there was anything wrong with marijuana, my grandmother used to make tea for me when I was younger to alleviate my chronic migraines. If native Americans can use peyote for their beliefs why cant my family freely use cannabis for ours. Cannabis can be used for thousands of ailments from cramps, pms, nausea, etc..... I just eat a brownie when ANY ailment affects me. Its nice to not have to go to a dispensary and pay $6 for a single brownie. Everyone should be entitled to grow as much as they want and then just give the excess away or sell it to other patients for dirt cheap. I do edibles, oil and hash now so 3 plants legitimately wasn't enough anyway.
Golden ticket recreational?? Do you even know my medical history? Do you discriminate against your patients like that? Thanks for the respect though.
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SoCoMMJ

SoCoMMJ

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quietguy420 said:
Well ill be eating and smoking any time I feel the need
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That's the awesome part. You can grow your own medication and not have to rely on anybody else.

quietguy420 said:
and giving away extra to friends and family with cards.
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This is the part I'm not so sure of the legality of. I believe you have to be a caregiver for them in order to dispense to them.
You have to understand that others could take your advisement that it's ok to do that and end up in jail.

quietguy420 said:
IF i should need to go to court, I do have the option of using affirmative defense and already asked my doc if she was willing to testify that more plants are necessary for my edibles. People acting like were doing something wrong help feed into the taboo hysteria.
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I don't think that I implied that there was anything wrong with growing enough to make edibles. In fact, I endorse that. 24 plants is easily a pound a month. That's a lot of THC! If you need that much go for it. However your title was "Colorado Patients MUST DO THIS!!!!!!!!!!" 99% of patients don't need that kind of volume.

quietguy420 said:
In my view I'm doing something much safer than those people who pop 4 Tylenol a day or take the hard pharm drugs.
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No argument there. If it helps with your condition and you have your papers, why not?

quietguy420 said:
I wasn't raised to believe there was anything wrong with marijuana, my grandmother used to make tea for me when I was younger to alleviate my chronic migraines. If native Americans can use peyote for their beliefs why cant my family freely use cannabis for ours.
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Because it's illegal. You have to get proper documentation to allow the use, then follow the rules issued by the state. Yes, the laws suck, but at least it's not Oklahoma or Texas in regard to their attitude toward Cannabis.

I encourage working with others to get the law changed, but I don't encourage breaking the law. The prohibition has destroyed many lives.

quietguy420 said:
Everyone should be entitled to grow as much as they want and then just give the excess away or sell it to other patients for dirt cheap. I do edibles, oil and hash now so 3 plants legitimately wasn't enough anyway.
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Yes they should, but under today's regulatory environment they can't. It's illegal. You have to be careful not to mislead others into thinking something is OK when it's not. And, no 3 flowering plants is not enough to make edibles. Grow what you need based on your doctor's rec. Just be forewarned that if you end up in court it is VERY expensive. You don't want to go there. Many are under the impression that an expanded DR's rec grants you and exception to the law similar to the 6 plants in the constitution. It does not. It merely helps with an affirmative defense inside a courtroom. There is a VERY significant difference.

quietguy420 said:
Golden ticket recreational??
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I don't know where recreational was implied. I was trying to point out to you, and others reading this thread, that an expanded Dr's rec is not a free pass to build a huge garden. You have to have to be able to prove the need in a courtroom and have the money to do it or you could be headed to prison for felony cultivation. Jason Lauve passed the courtroom test. However I am sure that there are patients holding expanded recs that could not.

quietguy420 said:
Do you even know my medical history?
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No, and it's not necessary to in order to carry on a discussion about the legitimacy and value of expanded recs.

quietguy420 said:
Do you discriminate against your patients like that?
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Like what ? Any of my patients that have expanded recs are fully aware of how they work, what their value is during a LEO encounter, and that it only helps in a courtroom. If it gives you any idea of the legal weight of one of these recs, we only grow 6 plants per patient in our garden regardless of their rec size. I intend to stay out of prison. Berkowitz is currently wishing he had done that.

quietguy420 said:
Thanks for the respect though.
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I think you can take that one back
 
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coben

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to socommj who is Berkowitz? I'm going to get my card renewed /plant limit uped soon. I am legit and the increase is necessary.Any COP who trys to take mine be met with FORCE.
 
SoCoMMJ

SoCoMMJ

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Hydrochronics

Hydrochronics

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Quietguy420 --- SoCoMMJ ment recommendation not recreational..... haha........ i would listen to him bro..... he knows what he is talking about and anyone who doesnt follow the laws while arguing against them is the reason why we are persecuted against!! if you wanna fight the laws them, FOLLOW THEM!!!! Thank you SoCoMMJ for doing what you do!
 
quietguy420

quietguy420

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Sigh, no its misinformation and conformation. People were "NOT fighting the laws" for 50 years and even medical pot was illegal so please don't tell me that being complacent and just taking any bone the government is willing to throw in the form of strict "medical marijuana laws" that favor the groups growing mid grade in mass quantity over caregivers and patients is better than none. I think we are still far from having the legal rights we should when it comes to a plant that is more benign than soda pop. The laws are so vague anyway regarding mmj except when it comes to the government getting their $$ in fees. Its a joke how the MMJ community in Colorado is being herded and pushed away from small time growers and into situations where they have to pay for over priced commercial cannabis.
 
MzHerbalistFarmer

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Husband and I have 33 plants each and the sister in law has 25. Give thanks for edible cards! Put a pound in front of me and it will be gone before you know it! ;-)
 
quietguy420

quietguy420

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BadAndy said:
did you look this up after i talked to you about it?
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Ya bro, I had been seriously considering it and when I met this guy who had patients with terminal cancer and aids who'm had 50 plant counts each I figured I should try to legally get a few more to meet my needs.
 
~HI{bluedevil}GH~

~HI{bluedevil}GH~

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if u want more meds from ur 3 plants grow them bigger. from what i've been told even if u are granted 25 edibles plants u are only allowed
3\3 any truth to this
 
Kphlash

Kphlash

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~HI{bluedevil}GH~ said:
if u want more meds from ur 3 plants grow them bigger. from what i've been told even if u are granted 25 edibles plants u are only allowed
3\3 any truth to this
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According to CO amendment 20 - 3/3 is the legal amount, but "affirmative action" is basically saying that some people require more weed. Simply put, its a risk, and if the cops come in and seize your stuff, they will be dead before you can get them back and you will go to court and have to prove that you need them...

all in all, its not worth it to me, you are better off being designated as a caregiver for someone who does not want to grow, and growing "their plants" that is 100% legal and if cops raid you show them paperwork for each plant and the corresponding patients. Then you can have as many as you want, and no extra Dr. Visit, no court issues or anything really. Not to say the cops cant be corrupt dicks and do it with 2 legal plants.

Id say its 100x's safer than getting an affirmative defense grow for more. But with the overwhelming number of people doing it, its going to get out of hand and they will change it, or just say fuck it.
 
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jeepster420

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Kphlash said:
According to CO amendment 20 - 3/3 is the legal amount, but "affirmative action" is basically saying that some people require more weed. Simply put, its a risk, and if the cops come in and seize your stuff, they will be dead before you can get them back and you will go to court and have to prove that you need them...

all in all, its not worth it to me, you are better off being designated as a caregiver for someone who does not want to grow, and growing "their plants" that is 100% legal and if cops raid you show them paperwork for each plant and the corresponding patients. Then you can have as many as you want, and no extra Dr. Visit, no court issues or anything really. Not to say the cops cant be corrupt dicks and do it with 2 legal plants.

Id say its 100x's safer than getting an affirmative defense grow for more. But with the overwhelming number of people doing it, its going to get out of hand and they will change it, or just say fuck it.
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You should also mention that people can't care for more than five patients, so you're looking at 5 patients plus the caregiver, plus any patients living in the house. There can't be more than one caregiver per house. It would be risky to have a husband and wife be caregivers for ten patients. Approaching a hundred plants would potentially be a problem if the cops come knocking. imo.
 
Kphlash

Kphlash

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colonuggs said:
Only a pound from 33 plants.....33 plants gives me 10-12 pounds
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LOL she meant in general i think... and thats all :P i get 1-2 Lbs of 4 plants :)

jeepster420 said:
You should also mention that people can't care for more than five patients, so you're looking at 5 patients plus the caregiver, plus any patients living in the house. There can't be more than one caregiver per house. It would be risky to have a husband and wife be caregivers for ten patients. Approaching a hundred plants would potentially be a problem if the cops come knocking. imo.
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O ya that too...Max of 5, and you cant sell it for profit either anymore, just cost of growing it, so have your friends sign you over, and hook them up. They made that last part of your comment illegal too-I believe. I think it is now only 1 caregiver per household/building. Stopping caregiver companies and the like from using 1 facility and growing tons of plants...
 
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