Commercial scale grow needs input from experienced growers

ClymbRunFly

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kmog33 said:
Yep, even with investors for $100k you should expect at least $30k of it to be out of your pocket. Investors like investing in projects/people that show initiative, promise of returns, and reliability. If you ask for $100k with nothing there's almost no way to get any kind of outside investors.

It's like walking into a bmw dealership and asking them to give you an m3 with no down payment, proof of income, or credit score.


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I've got initial investments secured and return of investment is a joke from my perspective, though I'll not say te same in front of my investors. The industr
kmog33 said:
Yep, even with investors for $100k you should expect at least $30k of it to be out of your pocket. Investors like investing in projects/people that show initiative, promise of returns, and reliability. If you ask for $100k with nothing there's almost no way to get any kind of outside investors.

It's like walking into a bmw dealership and asking them to give you an m3 with no down payment, proof of income, or credit score.


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All of this is handled and accounted for already, but thanks for the input.
 
ClymbRunFly

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CrocodileStunter said:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/my-plant-is-starving-or-why-she-not-eating.865545/#post-11450858
https://www.rollitup.org/t/whats-the-difference-between-flower-and-veg.864188/
https://www.rollitup.org/t/are-nutrients-acidic-dwc-question.863546/#post-11396579
https://www.rollitup.org/t/how-to-top-off-dwc-res.862689/
https://www.rollitup.org/t/how-long-to-veg-for.862074/#post-11368409


Sign me up I'd love for you to be my boss. You're on the right track bro you've harvested 50 grams in your life might as well jump straight into a warehouse. It's the same as your 2x2x5 cab except a tiny bit bigger. what's the difference between flower and veg? hahahahaha
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Okay, but you probably aren't qualified for the job.
 
ClymbRunFly

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astronautrob said:
THIS ^^^^. I have the same situation going on with a buddy here in CO. Has grown 6, count them 6!, plants in his entire life and is now opening a massive warehouse to grow for the recreational scene, it's crazy! And he's consulting with hydro shop guys, and we all know they just want to sell you the most they can. I'll give it to him though he's actually put almost $350,000 of his own money in the op but dude just has no idea about how to actually grow. You can have all the money in the world but if you don't have the knowledge those investors and that money is quickly going to dry up when they start seeing those crap returns on their investment.


These two lines are my favorite from his post though. How is 150 light a reliable metric, and a metric for what? Like if we just know you want 150 lights we're supposed to figure everything out from there? Hahahaha. And if you're going to have it figured out in two weeks then why post now, wait two weeks and do your thing. From your uppity attitude it sounds like a person that already has everything figured out, not a person who is coming on here asking for help from other people.
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Yes a lot has already been figured out but I'm looking for any and all anecdotal evidence to compare my estimates with. It is a huge jump but more a jump to running a business isn't really the same, not so much jumping from growing 1 plant to 600+. Good luck to your friend, Colorado is an evolved and extremely competitive market. Still changing too, but they all are.
 
ClymbRunFly

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patrickkawi37 said:
Pipe dream . Anyone capable of growing a 150 light setup doesn't need to ask people to help him price it out. People think growing weed is watering plants and cutting down money.. It's a joke.
Lol Nevada is already setup and the dispensAries are barely paying above Cali prices. I read something about 100k above... If you're talking through first run expenses.. 100k will only get you a badass 30 light setup at best + veg and dry room. 150 lights done right... Requires one hell of an electrical panel upgrade and 400k I would say.
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I'm not going to talks out my cash flow and startup costs, but it wasn't me who said $100k. Good job upping your post count with nothing of value though.
 
ClymbRunFly

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astronautrob said:
What research? I didn't see any in your initial post. All I saw was that you wanted 150 lights, and from that we should know and figure out the whole rest of your operation.....come on dude. Also, no one wants to help someone who is not gracious for the help that is already being given. It seems to me like you aren't getting the answers you came looking for, a.k.a. someone to hold your hand and do all the research for you because you bought a cat in China. Wtf, why are you buying a cat in China anyways? Hahaha, that is the most random shit ever. No one is going to hold your hand and do all the legwork for you, and I'm surprised you found investor with the lack of knowledge you have. I could understand if you came with at least a little bit of a plan, but saying you want 150 lights and that is a "reliable metric" isn't telling us anything and isn't showing anyone that you did any type of research beforehand.
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I'm not posting my business plan if that's what you're asking for. There's enough information in the OP for any reasonably accomplished grower to post relevant numbers. If you have anything valuable great, otherwise, no, posts like this deserve no appreciation.
 
ClymbRunFly

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astronautrob said:
Both of these are exactly correct, especially the part that is in bold. People think it's so easy just to buy a giant warehouse, throw some lights in there, plant 650 plants, just "let them grow", cut, sell, make profit, repeat. I mean, if it was really that easy everyone would be doing it.....

My buddy who's starting out now is going to go with 800 plants to start, and he thinks he is going to hand water, trim, etc., all the things that go in to growing, he thinks he is going to do all that BY HIMSELF! I laughed in his face when he told me that
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Yes obviously. I doubt your buddy will exceed with that sort of planning
 
ClymbRunFly

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CrocodileStunter said:
You know nothing about what you're trying to do. It's totally relevant to know if someone actually knows how to trouble shoot problems that will arise. You don't even know where to buy 150 lights.you're a joke
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Haha! Wow, the first real laugh. Lights aren't in my initial post, moron! And oh man! The only people who can start businesses are snobby marijuana grow forum members! Dang, better find another contract here.

/sarcasm

So stupid.
 
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patrickkawi37

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ClymbRunFly said:
I'm not going to talks out my cash flow and startup costs, but it wasn't me who said $100k. Good job upping your post count with nothing of value though.
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You're a donkey dude... I said before "around 400k"
I know dudes that have spent 300k to do less than 40k watts.
setup, lights, AC, size of boxes , kind of tables, how big of veg, how much are you paying kW/hr. Al this is shit to take into consideration.. So your a moron for asking someone to give you a price..

You say you have an investor ... So really your only job is to figure out how much this shit costs.. So why don't you do your work instead of posting on a forum asking for someone to do it for you.. What it is that you are bringing to the table? Because I can tell you can't grow and don't know jack about the industry.. So if you're broke too, you are no good to anyone . Once again. Pipe dreams
 
astronautrob

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ClymbRunFly said:
I'm not posting my business plan if that's what you're asking for. There's enough information in the OP for any reasonably accomplished grower to post relevant numbers. If you have anything valuable great, otherwise, no, posts like this deserve no appreciation.
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I think your delusional, maybe the air in China has messed with your brain function. You didn't post any relevant information in your initial post, I don't see how you keep making this claim. You literally posted that you want 150 1000w lights and you are growing 650 plants in a 6500sq space.

ClymbRunFly said:
I'm finishing up a business plan to pitch to investors for drain to waste, coconut coir and perlite mix, 150 1000W lights. But some of the things I'm missing are pretty crucial and they all apply to supplies and startup costs. Now I'm stuck in China because they have ridiculous export policies on live animals, and I bought a pet cat while I was here. Long story short, I'm unexpectedly staying over in Shanghai for the next couple weeks after having already cancelled my cell phone plan. I was getting by with using a restaurants Wifi for research, but they're all closed now for the very extravagant Chinese New Year. I need help with research. Even just links and recommendations on suppliers would be so unbelievably freaking helpful, because I'm standing outside of a closed restaurant in the cold just to type this. Numbers are also immeasurably helpful. PS: If you're interested in working in Nevada's currently medical marijuana and soon to be recreational marijuana industry, I'll be hiring in just a couple months.

We're looking at roughly 150 lights and 650 plants. I'm so sorry, everything is on my computer, the monitor for which my freaking cat shattered while running crazy around the apartment yesterday morning. So please bear with me because I've like no access to my business planning, but more than anything, the 150 lights is a reliable metric.

What I don't have is suppliers for the following. How much each of the following I need. And how much each of the following will cost for the first grow cycle. Seriously if you can help please do, like I would appreciate it so much. As I said, my cat broke my monitor, so I can't play video games, I've quit my job so I have little "fun" money, my girlfriend left Shanghai 2 weeks before because we thought we could take the cat no trouble, and everything is closed here so it is possible but so difficult and inconvenient to do research.

Finally, what I need to know for 150 lights, 1 grow cycle, what supplier, how many, and\or how much $$:

Nutrients and additives
Rooting gels
Rockwool/rooting medium
Plant support stakes
Pesticides
Fungicides

Also if anyone has input on how much this will run for a facility of about 6500 square feet:

Carpentry (building grow tables)
Security cameras
Monitors
Safe
Motion sensors
Furniture
Card reader
Label maker
Plumbing
HVAC

Again I will do this all myself within 2 weeks, I don't need your help, but God would it be so appreciated. I'm drinking beer and daydreaming over here for 2 weeks longer, trying to get along with this freaking cat.

Cheers
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So I've put in bold what information you actually gave us in your initial post, and I also put in bold what you are asking for help with. Do you see how people could surmise that you have not done any research at all? You gave use 2-3 sentences about what you actually have planned for your grow so far, and then ask for help on almost every other aspect of growing! I don't think anyone is asking for you "business plan", and if they are I doubt they are going to steal it or whatever craziness you are thinking. I think everyone is just trying to convey to you that from what YOU posted it doesn't seem like you've done any research or have anything planned out very well.

*edit: Question, who thought it was a good idea to get a cat in China, you or your gf?
 
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