I have never done any extracts or concentrates ever. I have all my old trim etc in freezer. Its prob no good but over the last 2 years i have kept all trim in a deep freezer. When i trimmed i would put in bag amd freeze. I have no equupment or etc. I dont want bho for fire and possible iso resin or what not. My friend has bubble bags but never care or though it was that great. I heard of like c02 extractions or etc but whats something worth investing into to make good shit. Shatter,oils,and wax all look interesting but would like advise on the best way. I dont expect the best esp with my 1st run or 20th run
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SnapsProvolone
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BHO extraction is pretty much the way to go, just have to do it outdoors away from sources of ignition, including static electricity. Not an option for many.
A QWET or QWISO process is simple and requires little gear, however ime the flavor isn't as good as bho done properly.
CO2 scfe rigs aren't cheap and would only be useful for very large scale growers. Not spending 40k to process a pound a year right?
A QWET or QWISO process is simple and requires little gear, however ime the flavor isn't as good as bho done properly.
CO2 scfe rigs aren't cheap and would only be useful for very large scale growers. Not spending 40k to process a pound a year right?
butane is gross.
Grow Goddess
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I would only recommend alcohol extractions, but since you are discussing leaf shake, I wouldn't know what the best advice would be. I have only worked with premium buds and alcohol, that is all I will work with.
I take my oil seriously, I rely on it. I haven't missed a dose since I started taking it 4 years ago.
I take my oil seriously, I rely on it. I haven't missed a dose since I started taking it 4 years ago.
Yes def dont wamts to spend couple thousand or 40k on c02 for a lil return thats for sure anyone no of amy good "how to videos) on extractions n such i have prob 15 or 20 gallom freeser bags stuffed with good trim maybe a random fan leaf but yeah my deeo freezer would appreciate it to lol my girl bitches cause i always say ill.do somwrhing with it and never do
Grow Goddess
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They call this a CO2 extraction, it is a dry ice extraction.
If I had a bunch of sugar leaf and such stored in the freezer, this is the route I would probably use.
Worth watching. Impressive on the return.
Edit: Looks like they got what they need. It would be easy to make that into oil. I would just dissolve it in alcohol, purge off the alcohol, and you have your oil without all the chlorophyll.
With premium buds and doing a frozen extraction, I have not had a chlorophyll problem. At least for 93% of my extraction.
MJtheIndicator
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Dry sift, ice water or qwiso, otherwise bho and solvent based extraction strips terpenes, flavinoids and arguably lacks cbd due to erratic decarboxylation temps. When THC levels are already above 50%, I doubt most humans are feeling the difference between 60% and 70% THC. If one isn't willing to take another hit and desires their high administered within one toke, you don't seem very determined to commiserate with the plant. Pure THC in the name of resin at the expense of lost terpenes, flavonoid and cbd defeats the synergy of cannabis at its cellular level.
Whats qwiso
SnapsProvolone
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QWISO = Quick Wash Isopropyl
QWET = Quick Wash Ethanol
Thanks buddy
Grow Goddess
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Very true, but also very false.
Any heat what so ever and you are right, you are losing out on the terpenes and all that, very noticeable compared side by side with the same strains.
You can use alcohol to strip the bud material. That does not mean you will lose out on the CBDs and terpenes. It is heat that causes those damage or to vaporize out.
Solution: Natural Decarbing. Just allow the oil to sit in a dark place in a vial for 100 days or more. It will contain the essential medicinal properties. The THC buzz will last twice as long. Don't know exactly why, but I know it to be true.
I will no longer apply heat to make my concentrates. All that does is degrade them.
Fan air drying or evaporating and 100 day natural decarbing is the way I like my concentrates.
SnapsProvolone
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Terpenes can slowly evap at room temp, that's why you smell them. Pull vacuum or add heat and you accelerate this evaporation of terpene content.
SnapsProvolone
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@Grow Goddess does your 100 day natural decarb have an associated color change?
Grow Goddess
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@SnapsProvolone
Yes, it does darken up a little. I have only done it with two different strains though and the color outcome was quite different. Also these extractions were done with 192 proof alcohol.
The iso extraction did not change as much, minimal darkening.
Can't wait to test out my other strains and some other solvents, like 200 proof and organic 190 proof! Soon, very soon.
Yes, it does darken up a little. I have only done it with two different strains though and the color outcome was quite different. Also these extractions were done with 192 proof alcohol.
The iso extraction did not change as much, minimal darkening.
Can't wait to test out my other strains and some other solvents, like 200 proof and organic 190 proof! Soon, very soon.
SnapsProvolone
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I run BHO, I know, not your thing lol. I subsequently winterize with ethanol. I'm lazy and over supplied so I usually forget the batch in the deep freezer for several weeks followed by vacuum filtration of waxes and room temp evaporation for absolute amber shatter. It definitely comes out darker for the time spent. I'm thinking the cold accelerates the decarboxylation, however I can't account for the stability of the shatter, as it's not permagoo.
MJtheIndicator
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I'm not so sure what I have mentioned is false as most seem to understand even air creates oxidation as SnapsProvolone has mentioned, but any heat over 120 F and you are degrading product which is why I mentioned "erratic" temps to begin with.
So if there is no heat involved, I would opt for dry sift which in theory is pure product. As for suspended matter in dirty butane, leftover lipids or solvent which does not entirely evaporate at room temperature, the jury is still out because we can't assume everyone is using pure butane or applying a heavier solvent to an initial solvent. The tobacco industry attempted most of this with hexane mid-century and realized the terpene loss as indicative of inferior material.
I'm fascinated with alcohol fermentation and cannabis, but not neccesarily in terms of its practice as an extraction process, more so as a suspension agent ala bhang. The issue beyond heat when using alcohol is the level of chlorophyll you are willing to tolerate in a menstrum, at which point the dialogue becomes how much of it one is willing to combust while ingesting. Should we assume we are to cough any less simply because we are smoking pure THC or would we rather have the sum total of the plant with all terps and flavonoids firing all symbiotic pistons in their "natural" state? As to the retention of a perfect or true cannabinoid profile within the parameter of current science regarding alchohol and cannabis I'm neither exponent nor detractor, besides people have been loving on honey oil and hash oil for decades. I simply view it as a pleasant option and not alpha/omega.
So if there is no heat involved, I would opt for dry sift which in theory is pure product. As for suspended matter in dirty butane, leftover lipids or solvent which does not entirely evaporate at room temperature, the jury is still out because we can't assume everyone is using pure butane or applying a heavier solvent to an initial solvent. The tobacco industry attempted most of this with hexane mid-century and realized the terpene loss as indicative of inferior material.
I'm fascinated with alcohol fermentation and cannabis, but not neccesarily in terms of its practice as an extraction process, more so as a suspension agent ala bhang. The issue beyond heat when using alcohol is the level of chlorophyll you are willing to tolerate in a menstrum, at which point the dialogue becomes how much of it one is willing to combust while ingesting. Should we assume we are to cough any less simply because we are smoking pure THC or would we rather have the sum total of the plant with all terps and flavonoids firing all symbiotic pistons in their "natural" state? As to the retention of a perfect or true cannabinoid profile within the parameter of current science regarding alchohol and cannabis I'm neither exponent nor detractor, besides people have been loving on honey oil and hash oil for decades. I simply view it as a pleasant option and not alpha/omega.