Confused by wannabe grower

SenorSanteria · Dec 17, 2008

Right. But my post was talking about the price of pot falling. I dont think it would, even with a setup like yours. Obviously the value will drop a bit, but I dont see it going as low as tobacco. A pack of cigarettes is almost 20g of tobacco. I dont ever see 20g of weed costing $4.45

BCtrippin · Dec 17, 2008

SenorSanteria said:
Right. But my post was talking about the price of pot falling. I dont think it would, even with a setup like yours. Obviously the value will drop a bit, but I dont see it going as low as tobacco. A pack of cigarettes is almost 20g of tobacco. I dont ever see 20g of weed costing $4.45

I totally agree

Actually if you read my previous post I said prices will NOT drop.

Theres no reason to start selling it for any cheaper, if they can charge you more for it they would.

:peace:

SenorSanteria · Dec 17, 2008

BCtrippin said:
I totally agree

Actually if you read my previous post I said prices will NOT drop.

Theres no reason to start selling it for any cheaper, if they can charge you more for it they would.

Well then we're just a bunch of potheads arguing and in complete agreement. :lol:

HighPotency · Dec 17, 2008

i get what ure saying about it dropping in price(kinda)...but:

if its $10 a gram now....then why would people sell it for cheaper?

Capitalism! if i costs me to grow it, package it, ship it = $2 and the dude next to me is selling it for $10...i would go to 9$, then 8$ etc, all the way to the point where its still profitable....Y? because i would get all his customers, therefore more money for me... there is no being Mr. Nice is big business, which pot obviosly will be if legalized. Maybe price legislature like with milk...or maybe union like with workers....(starting to get more expensive now)

Mass production as a business brings the question of potency and the decrease of it with big business..which most peeps on this forum would argue is extremely important... us all being chronnoisseurs
But would'nt it be the same thing as with alcohol? i.e. thier would be really high priced super well manufactured stuff but it would only be a tiny market share...and with nutes, breeding and growing techs....our "crap" weed today was danky of the dank in the 30s (as my g-dad says)

i think u gotta look deeper into the subject rather than simply stating "its sooo simple" or it will solve "america's deficit problems" there are clearly pros and cons....would be nice if the reaaaally pro peeps state some of the issues/problems and how to counter them

- the pros are pretty obvious, ure on the right site.

My Vote - Decriminalization (jrh72582 has the right idea)

SenorSanteria · Dec 17, 2008

HighPotency, you bring up a good point. People are going to make things as cheaply as possible and sell them for as much as they can, regardless of the product. With other companies trying to do the same, the price has to drop. How low will it drop would be based on the cost of growing it. If the price of producing it drops so dramatically, (ie being able to grow outside in fields, not in our closets) then the final price should drop with it. But it can only drop as low as the cost of production, plus their profit.

Which brings up another point... tobacco goes through many hands before it ends up in the cigarette that you smoke. The grower/farmer gets his share and sells it to the companies that turn it into cigarettes, who also takes a share... the price of the tobacco being driven up each time it exchanges hands. Then the government gets their hands in on the deal... fed tax, state tax, county tax, sales tax, yadda yadda yadda.

I dont know where I was going with this... Im high and I forget. But I dont know if anyone can know what would happen to the value of pot in a legalized world. There's just too many variables.

OregonMeds · Dec 17, 2008

T.H.Cammo said:
The way it is now, any 10 year old kid with the money can buy pot easier than cigarettes - that's just WRONG!

I wish that were true actually. Some people will go to any lengths to get high no matter what, and if pot were more available maybe less people would be huffing paint or sniffing glue or chemical duster sprays or even auto asfixiation or whatever it's called when kids choke eachother to the brink of unconciousness to get high.

Even if it just made an impact to reduce that shit it would be to everyones benefit.

T.H.Cammo · Dec 17, 2008

HighPotency said:
STRUTH!!...but where to draw the line? all non refined drugs? drugs used by lots of people? drugs that have huge profit margins?
Well, there's a good place to start! Where should we draw the line? Right now Marijuana is classified, by the U.S. Government, in the same catagory as Heroine, Cocaine and Meth-Amphetymine, obviousely, that's the wrong place! I have no problem with the way these other drugs are classified, becuase they are dangerous, but to include Marijuana as a "Dangerous" drug is ludicrous. Marijuana is not physically addictive, it poses very little health risk (except for some resperitory conditions), you can't overdose on it and compared to alcohol it is, by far, the "lesser of two evils". But I deffinately think that comparing it to alcohol is the place to draw the line! I think that as far as the law and the Government is concerned, the recreational use of marijuana, should be treated similar to alcohol and tobacco - I believe that is resonable!

I'm not really sure what the current U.S. laws are regarding "Home-brewed" alcohol. But "many moons" ago (probably 30 years, or so), you could get a Federal "permit" to make homemade wine. It cost about $25. and allowed you to produce 200 gallons a year for private consumption (that's a lot of wine!). I would have absolutely no problem with something along these lines! How about you?

The only reason the "street price" for marijuana is so high, is becuase it's currently illegal and the dealers pass on that risk in the form of profit - makes sense to me! When (and if) it is legalized - I see the price dropping quite a bit and a lot of "Growers" will just switch over to buying it "off the shelf". Anybody that grows "really good shit" will still be able to sell it "under the table", just not for $300. or $400. an ounce! It seems like everybody would win - except the gangsters.

i think ure completely right...but when confronted with these questions that would become topics of debate, i start to see some of problems of legalization...not that i dont want to tackle them...
I think the only real problem with legalization is the Govenment's "Stonewall" approach. They keep it illegal, but they don't seem to have any good reasons! I've heard lots of ridiculous accusations made by "pro pot" people - but what are the Governments' actual reasons (matters of public record) for maintaining the ban on marijuana? Does anybody really know? Let's talk about that! I've seen study, after study, that just fly in the face of what the Government claims. WHAT IS THE BASIS FOR MARIJUANA BEING ILLEGAL IN THE FIRST PLACE? Not the political reasons, but the legal issues.

why not just say its illegal so you can lock up the reaaally bad people...and still have it EVERYWHERE so math class is more fun in senior year...
WTF?

maybe its a canadian thing
Maybe so!

I would like to discourage any responces that just want to rant about "The Man" or some kind of "Conspiracy Theory". So instead of just ragging about your "opinions", let's try and find out what we're really up against - in other words, try to keep it cool! This isn't directed towards any individual in particular - I just hope that nobody gets carried away!

Breakdancer003 · Dec 17, 2008

a good middle ground is decriminalisation of Marijuana ( it has been done in a few citys across the US ) this way if you are caught with under an ounce the only penalty is confiscation and a fine much like a traffic ticket. This still leaves problems with growing legally but it keeps the personal users out of Prison and Court and also acts like a fund raiser for the city. As far as the growing you are still boned if you get caught but since you shouldn't be telling anyone you know where / if you are growing you shouldn't have a problem with getting caught

Igotdialup · Dec 17, 2008

You're all leaving something out...

They can tax MANY MANY different products out of marijuana. Its not just going to be the buds, they can make paper (1acre = 4acre of trees)... weed takes a single season, trees take a lifetime. There is your solution to most rainforest logging.

The seeds are high in proteins and oils, good food... and also good for BIODIESEL(i think so right?, i would think so.). They want to use corn for biodiesel but..it would require a LOT of corn to do that, and then human supply would be gone, and dont forget about the animals.

The fibers can be used to make clothes, and whatever else uses strong fibers.

There is probably many many more, including cosmetics and stuff.

All of these items can be TAXED UP THE ASS, hence.. LOTS OF $$$$$!! Its the solution and the government is too ignorant to realise it.

another idea was c02, weed uses lots of c02 so would that possibly help global warming? i dont know.. but seriously.. its the miracle plant.

T.H.Cammo · Dec 17, 2008

jeff f said:
yes, just what i need, to pay another tax. its medicine, shouldnt be taxed just like all medicine. when will people wake up to the freedom that is taken away from you with taxes by fat blowhard politicians who insist on waisting your spoils that you earned, not them. make it legal and they tax it, control it, and eventually sell it, you will be paying $300-400 an ounce for kuntucky swagg that couldnt get a rat high. if you check your history on tobacco, alcohol and a myriad of other gov f-ups. they get involved and the price skyrockets while quality plummets.

I think that the legitimate use of "Medical Marijuana" should be handeled just like any other "drug". That means tax free and only with a proper Dr.'s "prescription".

It remains to be seen what quality or potency will be available to the public, after legalization. I'm sure that anybody who wants to grow thier own (either for recreational or medical purposes) will find a way - hell, we're doing that now, I don't see that changing!

If the price stayed at $300-$400 an ounce after legalization, frankly, I would be amazed! But even if it did - I could still grow my own.

" when will people wake up to the freedom that is taken away from you with taxes "
Who took what, away from who? Let's be realistic here for a minute! The world we live in today is a much more sophiticated place than it was in the days when our forefathers talked about "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness". If you enjoy all the protections that our form of government provides, why are you bitching about it and who do you think should pay for it - and if you don't enjoy living under these conditions, you are free to live somewhere else! I don't feel like anyone has taken anything away from me - but there are some laws I don't agree with!

tokinman · Dec 17, 2008

lol very good point. i can remember when I was in Junior High and it was sooo much easier to buy dope then a pack of smokes. such a joke

that's the way it should be. cigarettes are addictive, un-beneficial, hard as hell to quit. shit, i wish they would have been illegal so i would have never started. hardest habit to quit and keep quit.. today is day one of my 100th time quitting cig smoking

legalize pot, illegalize cigarettes! hehe

T.H.Cammo · Dec 17, 2008

WOW, guys! I'm really impressed, this thread has really come alive since I started it yesterday. I'm going to go back where I left off and try to respond to some of you in order.

T.H.Cammo · Dec 17, 2008

K1Ng5p4d3 said:
its been about money from the get go man. - - - -
The fact is that if pot were completely decriminalized or legalized, they would lost billions of annual tax dollars/quote]

I'm sorry, I don't follow you! It seems to me that if it were legalized, they could tax it and make billions of tax dollars that they are missing now.

T.H.Cammo · Dec 17, 2008

BCtrippin said:
I really have to disagree. Drugs are drugs, Weed isnt a drug.
According to the U.S. Government it is, and it's classified just as dangerous as Heroin! The people in Government are the one's we need to convince otherwise. To be honest; I think marijuana is a drug, in the same sense that alcohol and tobacco are drugs. I just think it should be classified down there with Budweiser and Marlboro's.

I dont think hard drugs should be legalized, I think thats pushing it a little, access to hard drugs are already WAY to easy for young kids.
I hear you and I agree 100%!

Pot is just pot, people need to realize that, and if they did the government would be making a LOT more money.
Yeah! Instead of spending so much trying to fight it! You know what - I think most people do realize that. I think it's just a few people in the government that are "dragging thier heels". Maybe they have to reconcile a big DEA budget, or maybe thier getting a slush-fund from "Big Alcohol" - but you can bet that someone's getting money from somewhere!

Igotdialup · Dec 17, 2008

and no one cares about my post in page 3?

T.H.Cammo · Dec 17, 2008

BCtrippin said:
Prices would not drop.

Growing would never be legalized 100%. If government legalized pot they would grow it, and tax it like cigarettes. No ones growing their own tobacco.

I would imagine they would start programs where people can get permits for large scale grows to supply the government programs, but they would never just pass a law to let anyone grow whatever they want. It would be more like alcohol. You would need to be of age to buy it, and there would probably more strict penalties for driving "under the influence" of pot.

If the government took over the Marijuana trade it would put a HUGE dent in gang fundings and there would be a lot less illegal growers because there customers would be buying Legal weed. They should just legalize the Use of marijuana like alcohol.

I have to agree with Joint Chief on this one. I deffinately think the price would drop.

" but they would never just pass a law to let anyone grow whatever they want. It would be more like alcohol."
As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong) in most States where Medical Marijuana is "legal" the cardholders can grow thier own. I know they can here in California (How about you cardholders in other "Medical States", can you cultivate too?). More States are going "Medical" every election year, it's just the friggin' Fed's that don't get the picture.
And by the way, it is perfectely legal to brew your own beer and wine here - you just need the proper permit.

"If the government took over the Marijuana trade it would put a HUGE dent in gang fundings and there would be a lot less illegal growers because there customers would be buying Legal weed. They should just legalize the Use of marijuana like alcohol."
Them's my sentiments, exactly!

misshestermoffitt · Dec 17, 2008

While mentioning products that can be made out of marijuana don't forget that any petrochemical based product can be made from marijuana oils and the products made from marijuana oils are bio-degradable therefore less harmful to the environment.

I'm for legalization. The government could sell a "gardening license" that would allow for private individuals to grow a certain amount of plants in a year for personal use. Imagine the revenue that would generate. The license could even state "for personal use, not for sale".

As a taxpayer I deserve the right to sit here at my puter and smoke weed, just like other people deserve the right to sit in front of their puter and drink alcohol.

T.H.Cammo · Dec 17, 2008

Igotdialup said:
You're all leaving something out...

They can tax MANY MANY different products out of marijuana. Its not just going to be the buds, they can make paper (1acre = 4acre of trees)... weed takes a single season, trees take a lifetime. There is your solution to most rainforest logging.

The seeds are high in proteins and oils, good food... and also good for BIODIESEL(i think so right?, i would think so.). They want to use corn for biodiesel but..it would require a LOT of corn to do that, and then human supply would be gone, and dont forget about the animals.

The fibers can be used to make clothes, and whatever else uses strong fibers.

There is probably many many more, including cosmetics and stuff.

All of these items can be TAXED UP THE ASS, hence.. LOTS OF $$$$$!! Its the solution and the government is too ignorant to realise it.

another idea was c02, weed uses lots of c02 so would that possibly help global warming? i dont know.. but seriously.. its the miracle plant.

Okay - ok! I got you covered! Yeah there are a ton of products that could be made from Hemp (and that's not even Marijuana). I am sure that just as soon as Marijuana is legalized you will start seeing a lot more Hemp products too.

But that wont generate new tax revenues, it will just "replace" the revenues of the "old" products that would be eliminated by Hemp "cutting" into thier market. I think the real advantage here would be that all classes of cannabis (marijuanas and hemps) are "Greener" more "Eco-friendly" substitutes for current products.

Another good thing (from the governments' point of view) would be that they could keep all thier DEA agents employed as "Hemp Police" - making sure that Hemp producers just grew hemp and not Maui Waui or Durban Poison and that Marijuana growers all had the proper permits. Government agencies really hate getting "down-sized", like the FBI was back in the 30's after "Prohibition" ended.

misshestermoffitt · Dec 17, 2008

It would still generate new tax revenue. Think of all the people that could grow it. It can be grown where other crops would fail.

Let's say it was legal and I decided to be a grower. Once I take the parts of the plant I want, I could recycle the leaves and woody parts to other business' that could use them.

There isn't much of an oil business here in the US, and how much manufacturing is really left in the states these days? We could take all the empty factories sitting around and turn them into factories that produce hemp plastics, hemp clothing, hemp medications, etc........

Igotdialup · Dec 18, 2008

misshestermoffitt said:
It would still generate new tax revenue. Think of all the people that could grow it. It can be grown where other crops would fail.

Let's say it was legal and I decided to be a grower. Once I take the parts of the plant I want, I could recycle the leaves and woody parts to other business' that could use them.

There isn't much of an oil business here in the US, and how much manufacturing is really left in the states these days? We could take all the empty factories sitting around and turn them into factories that produce hemp plastics, hemp clothing, hemp medications, etc........

exactly

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