Confused on topping

mustbetribbin

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@mustbetribbin

Thanks for all the great info, REALLY appreciated! On these tall ones would you suggest topping now down one and a half nodes or let one more node grow out? Id like these to stop shooting up so tall!
I would say if they are rapidly growing upwards and they are around 10-14 inches tall I'd probably go ahead and top them, they will simply branch out from where each leaf is growing out from currently, each node will put out branches as long as there is sufficient lighting provided (which in this case things look nice and bright already), and you can just trim off the lower branches if you like, but what most people do is allow the branches to develop and allow for maybe 2-3 nodes of height before topping again.

It really just depends on how large and tall you'd like the plant to get before topping, let it get too tall and it won't have time to branch out and get as wide later, but likewise if you train the plant to be shorter and wide they won't have as much chance of getting as tall later on, so there is a trade off, just gotta find your growing style and train the plant to grow in multiples of where each branch is topped from, like 2, become 4, become 8 and so on from each branch, and with clones it's a bit trickier than from seed to know where to allow the branches to divide out from, I'd probably let the top 2-4 main branches grow out and then super crop or top them to keep them at a somewhat even level height as they grow upwards.

Another thing that you might try is instead of topping the plant first, is to super crop the very tops by squeezing them gently in one direction only and bend them over, that is what supercropping is, basically anything that helps the inner tissue of the branch gain density by lightly injuring the branch/stem is supercropping, but for this method what I do is supercrop the very top over first, and wait until I see good signs of lower branches beginning to develop at the base of each the leaves, and when I see small shoots coming forth, a wait for the top to heal for just maybe 3 days or so, then I top it, so with this method new branches are already coming out from the stalk instead of the plant taking a few days for this process to begin with other methods such as topping normally. This also strengthens the main stalk a tiny bit more before the new branches pop out completely, so either way, but I kind of preferred this method more recently, seems more continued momentum occurs after being topped, rather than just topping normally also.

So there's lot of different things you can train a clone to do, but they do take a bit more practice to achieve balanced growth, but I'd say so far from your pictures that you are doing well, if you feel the plants have reached an acceptable height, then go ahead and top them or begin training them, they do look like they have plenty of starting locations to put out new branches from, I would say yeah, begin because they do appear to be a bit slender, now is a good time to try and get them to get some thickness in diameter around the main stalk, and the training techniques mentioned above will get you where you need to be, just allow for time to heal between each of the more physical types of training and you'll be good to go.

Thanks for the reply cheech, I was excited to see such a happy response so thanks for that, helped make my evening being able to offer someone a bit of knowledge their way.

Anytime friend, let me know how it goes.
 

notoriouscheech

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@mustbetribbin

You're the man. Thanks for the in depth replies. At work now but will be reading this as soon as i get home and taking action! I turned up the lights a little bit 3 days ago and have honestly seen good results so far. Definitely need to do some training/topping to them though!

Had a very small powder mildew problem on one leaf last week that i cleaned up and did a milk/water spray on. Everything looked great until last night i noticed one of the smaller plants had a couple spots on it! Not too stoked about but taking it one day at a time trying to deal with it. Cleaned it off the leaves, added another fan to the closet, and spread the plants out a bit more. Hopefully that does it. Now have a box fan blowing in, a decent size desk fan blowing on the plants, and another smaller fan exhausting air out.
 

hellmutt bones

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I wait until I have 5 or 6 nodes, and top at the third, then take off everything below the third node as well. Basically doubles your main colas every time you top.

I usually top 3 times before flipping, but sometimes if I’m in a hurry, on the second top, I’ll cut at the third node again, but instead of taking everything below the third again, I take the second node but leave the first, creating 8 colas with only two tops.
That kind of sounds like mainlineing
 

quirk

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@notoriouscheech

The way to top that I found to cause the least hesitation of new growth afterwards, was to wait for 1 1/2 node growth to develop above the area you wish to top from.

So for instance if you want the 6th node to be where it's topped at, wait until the 7th node developes almost completely, and when the 8th node is just starting to open up and spread its young leaves out, that's when you make your cut, like when the second node above is just starting widen out after unfurling, that's the sweet spot.

The plants I've topped this way seem to grow out faster with 2 new tops faster than topping right below the 7th node as its developing, something about the growing fibers needing to reach a certain width before topping occurs, that allows for those new branches to develope faster, if you make the cut too early, it's as if the fibers inside get pinched or restricted, and this seems to take about 1 week to recover from, depending on health of the seedling of course, where as if new growth above the cut zone is allowed to grow first , new tops can appear within just a few days.

One thing that's a good idea to be concerned of is the amount of stem that is left above where the topped off node has been removed from, I would say leave about half inch of the stem intact above where the cut is made of you're able, this will provide you with more room for the stem to heal & less chance of infection.

If you want to remove as much stress as possible to the topping process, another thing that I would recommend anyone to try is instead of cutting the plant while the lights are On, wait until the plant falls asleep instead, only takes about 1 hour after the lights go out for this to occur, this is the time of the day that the plant is able to focus more on healing and root development, and this also happens to be the best time for uninterrupted signals to occur within the plant, because the cells involved in photosynthesis have mostly all gone into rest/sleep mode for the day, this allows for the plant to work on things like structure, immunity, environmental responses and so forth....... just need a dimly lit area or dimly lit/shielded low watt flashlight/headlamp to go in and not interrupt the night cycle while you make your cut/cuts, it's really not as hard as it sounds, quite fun really, lol.

So yeah that's what I would/ and have done to my own plant's, and that's the method of topping that I went by, and I found it to be the best method to provide the desired results, you can see for yourself if you like, but this is a tested and true method in my own trials.

Cheers friend and if I can elaborate on anything said here I would be glad to.

Thanks.
I have a friend who had a limb cut off when he was awake (arm) and another (leg) when he was asleep. He too had less stress when he was asleep. Go figure.
 

Frigault

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Don't forget that when you filp em to flower ther will keep expanding and elongate. Almost double in height so train you pkant to a limit height and to the width of you grow space don't count the day calculate the size..
 

iShatterBladderz

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Don't forget that when you filp em to flower ther will keep expanding and elongate. Almost double in height so train you pkant to a limit height and to the width of you grow space don't count the day calculate the size..
this is one of the most common mistakes on first grow lol. And I’ve had plants that nearly tripled in size in flower. Always leave room. I usually just plan for it to double and then if it goes taller, I deal with that when I get to it lol. It’s not as big of a concern as it used to be ever since I started manifolding using Nugbucketz’ method.
 

Father Ramirez

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All the methods work. Topping a fresh green shoot creates the same effect as topping further down the stalk. But the tender shoot recovers more quickly.
 

turbobuzz

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@mustbetribbin

Thanks for all the great info, REALLY appreciated! On these tall ones would you suggest topping now down one and a half nodes or let one more node grow out? Id like these to stop shooting up so tall!

@raratt
Noted, just turned it up a little bit. The LED's produce almost no heat from what im experiencing so far so I could probably turn them up a bit without being too hot. Thanks for mentioning something.
Turn it up full blast. Keep it as close as possible.
 

notoriouscheech

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Turn it up full blast. Keep it as close as possible.
Even in veg I should be fine to turn it all the way up? I was expecting to up it little by little then full power for flower. I did turn it up more last night as well. May go even brighter then!



Going to look into nugbuckets method as well. I do have a few plants stretching more than I would like. The final rest spot will be a 5x5 tent, a decent amount of room but I definitely think I need to take actions within the next day or two on some sort of training. Thanks everyone for the awesome replies. Learning a lot from all of you!
 

turbobuzz

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Even in veg I should be fine to turn it all the way up? I was expecting to up it little by little then full power for flower. I did turn it up more last night as well. May go even brighter then!



Going to look into nugbuckets method as well. I do have a few plants stretching more than I would like. The final rest spot will be a 5x5 tent, a decent amount of room but I definitely think I need to take actions within the next day or two on some sort of training. Thanks everyone for the awesome replies. Learning a lot from all of you!
Yes, full light. Just think about people that use HPS or MH lights that don't have a way to turn them down. Myself, I use a 315 CMH full power all the way. This pic was 2 days ago, day 67. Used the light full power from seed until now.
 

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Frigault

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Yes, full light. Just think about people that use HPS or MH lights that don't have a way to turn them down. Myself, I use a 315 CMH full power all the way. This pic was 2 days ago, day 67. Used the light full power from seed until now.
I use hps. I put two to three flowering cycle for same plants. The older catches to thr light and new ones get put in the middle so i have a diffrent in height. So the eldest gace more intesity afer one month. And tge new ones work theire way to intesity. If i had only one cycle i would lower the light abd have to raise it but. This way i dont have to change much about my setting
 
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