Congresswoman on Palin's "Hit List" shot

OMG UB. We all know she didn't mean literally go shoot people (could she?), but those words are rather damning if you ask me. This example should serve to tone down the rhetoric, but alas it will not.

undertheice said:

if your guy says it, it's free speech. if their guy says it, it's hate speech.

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That's the most pathetic and dangerous argument I've heard in this entire thread. (and there have been A LOT) It's practically a call to incivility and is a purposeful attempt to obscure the fact that almost all of the incendiary rhetoric in this day and age is coming from one side of the American political spectrum. YOUR SIDE.

I mean... think about what you actually wrote for ONE second and ask yourself what COULDN'T be justified using that line of reasoning? I hate to inject Nazism into the debate, but you could use that to justify Nazi rhetoric before they gained power and began the Holocaust. "Hey, the only reason you think our rhetoric is hateful is because you're not on our side. Now let me tell you why Jews really are ruining Germany and why it isn't hateful for me to say that." Perfect. Nevermind the ACTUAL content of some of the things you people are actually posting. It's impossible for me to dissect or draw meaning from ANYTHING I don't immediately agree with, according to that line of thinking. That's just fucking moronic.

Describing immigrants as leeches here to soak up the benefits of the measly American welfare state, rather than work (which is what they ACTUALLY come here to do), is not only wholly inaccurate and blatantly hateful, it's also ENTIRELY inaccurate.

But I always love how right-wingers like to muddy the waters whenever anyone has the audacity to suggest such a thing.

Here's a column in Newsmax, written right after Obama was elected as our president, suggesting that the military depose him. Essentially, that the country go through a CIVIL WAR. Newsmax is a fairly prominent right-wing publication.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/09/full_text_of_newsmax_column_suggesting_military_co.php

But, I suppose there are equivalents to this on the left? I mean... I remember ALL sorts of articles in The Nation and Harpers advocating a military coup against Bush when he was in office.

Oh, wait... no I don't. Wonder why that is?

tet1953 said:

OMG UB. We all know she didn't mean literally go shoot people.

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yes, i'm aware she did not literally mean for people to go out and shoot enemies. she just conjured up the image....over and over again. in many different ways. and many others of her same lean and tilt did the same. now i hope the neoliberals who say to fight fire with fire know why that is not the wisest choice.

just posting it for posterity.

DHS is saying this guy might have had ties to the american renaissance group. probably too early to know still. details will come in over time.

Even if the guy wasn't a card-carrying member of the American Right, he sure as hell bought into their anti-government fervor. He's clearly a guy like McVeigh, only, judging by the rambling nature of what he has written, even crazier.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-01-08-jared-loughner_N.htm

On both the MySpace and YouTube web pages, Loughner mentions his concern over literacy rates and the fact that few people speak English. He also talks about his distrust of the government and suggests that anyone can call anyone a terrorist.

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Sounds like a racist right-winger/libertarian to me. Of course... I'm not painting everyone on the right as that sort of person. He's nuts. But he seems to be nuts in a Timothy McVeigh, conspiratorial, anti-government sort of way. Even if he isn't affiliated with any particular group, that much is obvious at this point, I think.

Wow, if that turns out to be true then we have a big fish to fry here.

UncleBuck said:

DHS is saying this guy might have had ties to the american renaissance group. probably too early to know still. details will come in over time.

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Krang said:

Even if the guy wasn't a card-carrying member of the American Right, he sure as hell bought into their anti-government fervor. He's clearly a guy like McVeigh, only, judging by the rambling nature of what he has written, even crazier.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-01-08-jared-loughner_N.htm

Sounds like a racist right-winger/libertarian to me. Of course... I'm not painting everyone on the right as that sort of person. He's nuts. But he seems to be nuts in a Timothy McVeigh, conspiratorial, anti-government sort of way. Even if he isn't affiliated with any particular group, that much is obvious at this point, I think.

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You have to be as retarded as the shooter was in order to think that he was a "right-winger/libertarian". Among his favorite books was The Communist Manifesto. His former classmates called him a liberal and as it stands he was pissed off that he didn't receive public housing.

If you want to continue to ignore the facts and deflect the blame, go ahead. This guy was a liberal.

VS Look out for the left wing extremist!

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What happened to this guy? seems pretty weird.

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I know it may be slightly off topic but some of the Greatest minds on R.I.U. are here and I couldn't find a good thread to post this in and didn't want to start a new one. Can any one offer any insight into this? or care to comment?

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Anyone? I haven't seen any follow up on the news?

Bonesplitter said:

You have to be as retarded as the shooter was in order to think that he was a "right-winger/libertarian". Among his favorite books was The Communist Manifesto. His former classmates called him a liberal and as it stands he was pissed off that he didn't receive public housing.

If you want to continue to ignore the facts and deflect the blame, go ahead. This guy was a liberal.

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wow, just wow.

what i think is telling is that you don't see liberals going around trying to pin this guy as a right winger, but you do see right wingers trying to peg this guy as a liberal.

it stinks. it reminds me of the line: "thou doth protest too much"

when dupnik called arizona 'a mecca of bigotry and prejudice', he did not name any political party. yet right away, the righties came out on defense. why? why did lefties NOT go on defense? why did lefties like olberman repudiate anything they said previously that may have been in poor taste? why does the right feel compelled to suddenly portray themselves like angels, when they had no problem telling everyone to use bullets if ballots did not work months before?

to the genius above who has postulated that this guy was a liberal...why not mention he also liked animal farm? mein kampf? that he longed for a return to the gold standard (a tea party position)? why are you even trying to politicize this?

so congrats, bonesplitter, you have self-identified yourself as pathetic and indefensible.

wear the crown proudly. you have earned it.

Let me make sure I got the facts... The Tea Party made him kill people. Mexicans come here to collect welfare, and .. wait.. you are all half insane.

Simple Fact: The guy was liberal/left. One of your own did this - how can you blame the republicans?

Mexicans are hard workers, and you ain't exactly getting a government check without a ss # I would trade all the liberals for more mexicans. If republicans supports immigration reform the Mexicans would be hard core right wingers. Mexicans are conservative for the most part.

Sarah Palin is a person, what she does doesn't reflect everyone who isn't a democrat. If I put a picture of Canada's president being burned alive, that doesn't mean all Libertarians want to burn Canada's president. In fact, it doesn't even mean I want to. No one who isn't insane would believe Sarah Palin wanted people to literally go out and start popping off people.

Some of you talk harshly of anti-government conservative organizations. However, stop and look at yourself in the mirror. You are extremists also - you have decided that yourself, and that every single person is so stupid and greedy that they must be constrained and forced to contribute to society. The end of the road you are going down is complete slavery to society. You might not understand it, but it is a fact. If it weren't for the healthy mix of left and right nut bags keeping each other in check one would take over and it would suck ass either way.

Anyone who says to take the option of violence against the government off the table is basically a bitch. They were the same people who layed around eating squirrel nuts and watching their dogs hump instead of fighting against the British. Our country is young. We have been at war the entire length of our history. To even for a moment believe that our government couldn't turn on us is insane. The founding fathers knew this, and made provisions for it. I am pretty sure they would consider people who were afraid to use violence when necessary bitches also.

So, to all the bitches in the audience... go change your pads.

Carthoris said:

No one who isn't insane would believe Sarah Palin wanted people to literally go out and start popping off people.

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I put it to you that nobody who is sane could support that woman.

Carthoris said:

Simple Fact: The guy was liberal/left. One of your own did this - how can you blame the republicans?

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again, wow.

there is not enough evidence one way or the other. what makes you so confident to proclaim this? are you privy to evidence that NONE of the rest of the public is privy to?

Carthoris said:

You are extremists also - you have decided that yourself, and that every single person is so stupid and greedy that they must be constrained and forced to contribute to society. The end of the road you are going down is complete slavery to society.

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oh, now i know why you made that previous comment: you are simple.

Carthoris said:

Anyone who says to take the option of violence against the government off the table is basically a bitch...The founding fathers ...would consider people who were afraid to use violence when necessary bitches also.

So, to all the bitches in the audience... go change your pads.

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simple, and misogynistic to boot!

if you want to mount an insurrection and get crushed by 1/1000th of the total power of the US military, feel free. i'll sit back and laugh as they squash you like a bug. if you think that you have ANY chance against the full force of the government, that just further explains your delusion.

but to go around capping elected officials (as well as innocent bystanders in the melee)?

simple, misogynistic, and delusional. what a combo!

Seems to me that most people don't know anything about this Jared person's politics , but are already blaming him on the right.

Let me put this clear..We don't know this guys political affilation...be it right or left..but we do know that the political climate in this country could easily fuel this type of nonsense from weak minded individuals.. All during the election cycle we heard nothing but violence being incited...people talking about bullets or ballots..People bringing guns to a political rally...why???? don't retreat reload ( thats what Jared was trying to do when they tackled him )..or putting opposing political rival in "your crosshairs"...We all know which side uses this as a means to fuel anger and to win votes. Now we also see the consequence of such statements and actions. We all were warned when it was going on...now some act like they don't have a clue. sad truly freakin sad

NoDrama said:

Seems to me that most people don't know anything about this Jared person's politics , but are already blaming him on the right.

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i have seen the left doing the same (not here), but not to the same extent.

my personal feelings are that no matter what his leanings, he was an unstable individual in a toxic political environment, a product of the left and the right to varying degrees. i agree with the assessment i saw from one person, which i paraphrase:

it doesn't matter if he was eating from their hands or stealing scraps off the floor, the chefs were all the same.

sad that this happened.

Sarah Palin is an idiot, I am unsure how anyone could support her also. I feel the same way about Obama too.

Liberals don't put up youtube vids complaining about leaving the gold standard, libertarians do...

UncleBuck said:

again, wow.

there is not enough evidence one way or the other. what makes you so confident to proclaim this? are you privy to evidence that NONE of the rest of the public is privy to?

School mates described him as left wing - who would know him better than the people sitting beside him every day listening to his stupid comments.



oh, now i know why you made that previous comment: you are simple.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That comment means: I don't agree with you, but I don't know what to say. That is the liberal platform - Society before the individual because the individual cannot be trusted to care for himself and others. That IS simple. There are usually other things added in but at the end of the day, that is the platform of the left.

simple, and misogynistic to boot!

Misogynistic. I could of as easily compared your kind to a herd of cows who run at the first sound, or a child laying in his bed at night fearing what is under his bed but never looking. Would I of been an animal hater or a child hater then? You get the point, and it wasn't a sexist one.

if you want to mount an insurrection and get crushed by 1/1000th of the total power of the US military, feel free. i'll sit back and laugh as they squash you like a bug. if you think that you have ANY chance against the full force of the government, that just further explains your delusion.

but to go around capping elected officials (as well as innocent bystanders in the melee)?

simple, misogynistic, and delusional. what a combo!

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People like you have existed all throughout history. You are the people who surrender. They give in because they have no hope of succeeding against odds that are not in their favor. That argument has been used all throughout history by cowards. People have to have leaders, and it is obvious you are not one. There are relatively bloodless coup all the time - where are the military in these countries? Why do you think today is different? Why do you think our country is different? The IRA fought the Empire with little more than small arms. There was armed resistance to the German occupation of Europe. There are a few thousand people in the desert making us look like idiots, and they did the same thing to the USSR. Eventually USSR gave up, the British Empire gave up southern Ireland, and eventually Germany would of given up if the war had not ended it. Were those people stupid for struggling for what they believe in? Why were they not crushed by the 'full force of the government'? What does our United States have that those countries, and countless more, didn't that allows it to be immune to rebellion?

No one said to shoot elected officials. However, would any of you of cried a tear if one of the leaders of the USSR had been assassinated? No. Would you be upset if the leader of Iran was shot by one of his citizens? What if Hitler had been killed in one of the attempts on his life? Would that be wrong? No, you would probably say they were justified in doing so. If you watched the cops come up and start beating on an elderly woman who wasn't doing anything wrong, would you be justified in shooting the police?

Just because you personally do not have the will to fight back if needed - don't act like your position is the right one, its a position of cowardice.

I am not saying this is a case where violence should of been used, we still have our votes and we can change things peacefully. The guy who did this is a whack job, and everyone knows it.

An official familiar with the shooting investigation said Sunday that local authorities were looking at a possible connection between Loughner and an online group known for white supremacist, anti-immigrant rhetoric.

Carthoris said:

Just because you personally do not have the will to fight back if needed - don't act like your position is the right one, its a position of cowardice.

I am not saying this is a case where violence should of been used, we still have our votes and we can change things peacefully. The guy who did this is a whack job, and everyone knows it.

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Too bad the real cowards are ones like yourself, throwing around epithets and assigning blame for everyone else. Plus, if you have so much bravado and are so ready for a revolution, why don't you go shoot someone? Oh, cause your a pitiful, frightened coward too. Thanks for playing.

P.S. Dear god I hope you don't identify yourself as a Christian, as any Christian knows that judgement upon others is not our duty whatsoever.