Control Spider Mites...ORGANICALLY

reggaerican said:

haha for reals bro once them suckers find there way in your grow room you must use firm and drastic msrs to kill them fast...
but hey here is a good organic killer that works just like frosted flakes...
you can find it @ home depot and wallmart

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Organicide is smelly ass fish oil...used it outside on the veggies and did nothing.

tip top toker said:

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned getting some critters. If organic is the game, insects and such seem a pretty genuine way of going about sorting out.

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Ladybugs will starve themselves to death before even touching an indoor pest problem...unless you are lucky enough to have aphids, but they would not kill them off...they are not stupid...they are ranchers.

Thrips and fungus gnats are also NOT eradicated. They look cool, and MAY stop an infestation if they happen on the first one.

DJ GreenThumb said:

This would be the soap to use to stay in the good graces of organic folks,

Dr Bronner's Pure Castile Classic Soaps

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Good stuff, used it alot...mites do not like it, but NOT a solution in a perpetual garden...and if you got webs...you are already in deep

Thaks, Hayduke.

I just nicked this link from another thread:

there is a very good thread about mites here: https://www.rollitup.org/bugs/372981-removing-preventing-spider-mites.html

Viagro said:

Thaks, Hayduke.

I just nicked this link from another thread:

there is a very good thread about mites here: https://www.rollitup.org/bugs/372981-removing-preventing-spider-mites.html

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Thanks, saw this when it was new...key is prevention. As far as taking this prevention into flower...I would rather not. I have used my mix of Hemp seed oil, baking soda and Dr bronners castile/hemp/peppermint soap and buds but I really do not want to spray anything on flowers.

I have been following SM controls for a year now and there is NOTHING organic that is anymore than a band-aid. I refused to believe it for a long time...If they trespass again they will get floramite and/or azatrol

Organic control of insects relies on too many factors for it to work indoors. Outdoors pests are not eliminated, but kept in check...predators and sacrificial lambs. The key indoors is to not bring them in...for me that has meant that I do not spend lots of time veggie gardening...as soon as I did...bam!

If you are incredibly diligent, have a small garden in veg, and understand the lifecycle...you could get enough of an upper hand to convince yourself they are gone...and if you grow a crop and chop then this may be enough to get by...but wait 3 weeks...I GUARANTEE!!!! they will be back...it only takes one.

Oh, and if you could hold your room at 10,000 ppm of CO2 like the link...no problem...no reason to smoke neem if you can do that!

I have bagged up plants in huge clear bags and sucked out all the air...filled with co2 and held for 24hrs...Mites die. But not in the environment. Caution!!! CO2 is dangerous do not do this with kids or pets! without proper venting...also care is needed to keep cold gas from hurting plants.

I really wish that there was a silver bullet...Mites are a blight on food crops and ornamentals, livestock, poultry, pets and man...we are at war.

Note: No mites since the one I killed that was on the seedlings which I was sunning outdoors back in August (kills chicken and scatters blood around grow room) I use Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth for thrips and f. gnats and for flea control on the pets...well the fans were on and a bit of DE hit the fan...dusting my plants while in veg wich had neem oil...so fan leaves still have a dusting and I have not seen bug 1.

Hayduke said:

Thanks, saw this when it was new...key is prevention. As far as taking this prevention into flower...I would rather not. I have used my mix of Hemp seed oil, baking soda and Dr bronners castile/hemp/peppermint soap and buds but I really do not want to spray anything on flowers.

I have been following SM controls for a year now and there is NOTHING organic that is anymore than a band-aid. I refused to believe it for a long time...If they trespass again they will get floramite and/or azatrol

Organic control of insects relies on too many factors for it to work indoors. Outdoors pests are not eliminated, but kept in check...predators and sacrificial lambs. The key indoors is to not bring them in...for me that has meant that I do not spend lots of time veggie gardening...as soon as I did...bam!

If you are incredibly diligent, have a small garden in veg, and understand the lifecycle...you could get enough of an upper hand to convince yourself they are gone...and if you grow a crop and chop then this may be enough to get by...but wait 3 weeks...I GUARANTEE!!!! they will be back...

...I really wish that there was a silver bullet...Mites are a blight on food crops and ornamentals, livestock, poultry, pets and man...we are at war.

Note: No mites since the one I killed that was on the seedlings which I was sunning outdoors back in August (kills chicken and scatters blood around grow room) I use Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth for thrips and f. gnats and for flea control on the pets...well the fans were on and a bit of DE hit the fan...dusting my plants while in veg wich had neem oil...so fan leaves still have a dusting and I have not seen bug 1.

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Thanks for that, Hayduke. I've been wondering about the best way to incorporate diatomaceous earth into the arsenal. Interesting.

Hayduke said:

I have bagged up plants in huge clear bags and sucked out all the air...filled with co2 and held for 24hrs...Mites die. But not in the environment. Caution!!! CO2 is dangerous do not do this with kids or pets! without proper venting...also care is needed to keep cold gas from hurting plants.

I really wish that there was a silver bullet...Mites are a blight on food crops and ornamentals, livestock, poultry, pets and man...we are at war.

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I have done this, also; I have a huge bag I made, that I use to do the same thing to the EZ-cloner.. this method looks stupid and even feels stupid but works like a champ!
=)

Lacewings might be the ticket.



Green Lacewings

Best All-purpose garden predator!

Controls aphids, mealybugs, immature scales and whiteflies, thrips, spider mites and other plant pests.

I would like to remind everyone at this point that keeping spidermite populations down means keeping your operating tempatures below eighty degrees farenheit. One other thing that I do in my F&D(flood and drain) system is slightly increase the amount of limestone and countering it with fine ashes, to keep the ph balance in the zone. I do this because it increases the amount of co2 to my lava rock bed. If you snip and dry a bud from this mix without curing it in RO water it will taste like you put old cigarette ashes in your mouth. I haven't any proof that this has any effect on mites but I beleive that they are like us and they do care what their food tastes like. Unlike me, never bring other peoples weed to your op for processing. I would not attempt this mix with any other system.

This is the stuff dispensaries reccommend:

Zero Tolerance Pesticide

Ed Rosenthal's Zero Tolerance stops plant pests in their tracks! This 100% herbal pesticide is made from the highest quality oils of cinnamon, rosemary, thyme and clove. Not only kills existing pest infestations fast, it repels against new attacks too! Made from pure food grade ingredients that smell great (no more chemy odors), it is very effective against spider mites, thrips, aphids, fungus gnats and more. Completely plant, people and pet friendly and environmentally-safe so you can use it without worry -- indoors or out!

Available in ready-to-use bottles, or as a 32 oz. concentrate (shown), which makes 5 gallons of spray. Can be applied on fruits and vegetables up to 5 days before harvest.

Lemon peels

Viagro said:

This is the stuff dispensaries reccommend:

Zero Tolerance Pesticide

Ed Rosenthal's Zero Tolerance stops plant pests in their tracks! This 100% herbal pesticide is made from the highest quality oils of cinnamon, rosemary, thyme and clove. Not only kills existing pest infestations fast, it repels against new attacks too! Made from pure food grade ingredients that smell great (no more chemy odors), it is very effective against spider mites, thrips, aphids, fungus gnats and more. Completely plant, people and pet friendly and environmentally-safe so you can use it without worry -- indoors or out!

Available in ready-to-use bottles, or as a 32 oz. concentrate (shown), which makes 5 gallons of spray. Can be applied on fruits and vegetables up to 5 days before harvest.

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Here is what Ed says about it:
This product is a limited beta test. Test on a few leaves before use wait 24 hrs. If leaf burn occurs, dilute with water. Different varieties of plants have different responses to the pesticide strength. Once again, don't be afraid to dilute it. I'd appreciate your feedback. Please send your comments and experience to my email address [email protected]. - Ed
READY TO USE
Directions: Shake well. Use a spray bottle to mist over all leaves in early evening for best results Use at first sign of infestation and repeat every 3-4 days until under control Do not use on wilted or stressed plants.
Storage: Store in a cool, dark place away from the reach of children.


Active Ingredients: Cinnamon oils: bark 0.07%, berry 0.07%, leaf 0.13%, Rosemary oil 0.13%, Thyme oil 0.13%, Clove oil 0.13%


Inactive Ingredients: Lecithin 0.10%, Vegetable Glycerine 2.50%, Water


Handle carefully: Do not ingest, Wear goggles and gloves and avoid getting into eyes and on skin. Avoid breathing in the spray mists. The herbal oils are naturally fragrant and if used indoors ensure ventilation as exposure to fragrance may be irritating to some individuals.


First Aid: In eyes or on skin: Wash with water. Consult your physician if irritation persists. Inhaled: Seek fresh air. Swallowed: Rinse mouth out with water. Do not induce vomiting. Obtain medical attention.
This product contains active ingredients listed under the 25(b) Minimum Risk Pesticide Products list and 4A list Minimum Risk Inerts for FIFRA and is exempt from EPA registration.


This may be good stuff...but use every 3-4 days until get control??? All of the previously mentioned organic concoctions work about that well...and don't use on stressed plants...plants being eaten by bugs are stressed!


How about the other 96% of the ingredients Ed!!! I wonder also if Ed had our best interests at heart when he was pushing prop 19...the dispensaries were not pushing 19.


Spray on food crops up to 5 days before harvest?? Hort oil is day of and is petrol based.


Probably best outdoors.


I have an essential oil ant spray by ecosmart? and I was the other day wondering when they would have a spray for plants...it smells STRONG!!!!!


But this stuff looks like it WONT kill your cat...trust me on this one...careful with pyrethrin!!!!

Just wanted to say this thread has been really helpful with some of my questions. I use organic soil and nutrients in my indoor setup and have had some great results so far. If anyone's interested they can check out my grow on my profile page.

Viagro said:

I'd go with Neem oil before your suggestions, but the coriander route appeals to me. Who knows, it might work as well or better than commercial chemicals?

Good luck smoking chemicals, I'll pass.

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Honestly I thought 100% like you when I got spider mites... I tried everything! I bought stuff from the Auzzies called MiteRid.. All organic and supposed to stop em dead.. It was GARBAGE!!! Complete junk...... I couldn't take it anymore and had to get Floramite... One app and they were GONE! No issues since.. I realize your concern with it...the way I looked at it, it was one grow that was contaminated and then I was home free.... From personal experience, just go with Floramite and kill them bastards...

ilove2sell said:

Honestly I thought 100 like you when I got spider mites... I tried everything! I bought stuff from the Auzzies called MiteRid.. All organic and supposed to stop em dead.. It was GARBAGE!!! Complete junk...... I couldn't take it anymore and had to get Floramite... One app and they were GONE! No issues since.. I realize your concern with it...the way I looked at it, it was one grow that was contaminated and then I was home free.... From personal experience, just go with Floramite and kill them bastards...

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If the dispensaries are recommending Zero Tolerance, I'm going to go that route. All opinions and experiences are appreciated, though, thanks.

don't always trust the salesman. they sold you the clones? they are selling you the fix?

cerberus said:

don't always trust the salesman. they sold you the clones? they are selling you the fix?

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The dispensary? No, not at all. They just don't want anything else used on plants they buy to resell.

my bad, I most have misread what was happening. It sounded like you got the clones from them and then they had bugs and now they are telling you to use the product they sell.. my bad

Use at least 3 types of sprays. Rotate them every 2-3 weeks. Keep spraying as a preventative, even if no sign of bugs. Do the same with a Fungicide, and you will never have issues again.
We recommend, Azamax, Einstein oil, or a hot pepper spray- For Mites/Bugs (Avid, FloraMite-Non organic)
For Fungicide to kill powder mold, Mildew Cure (Safer Grow), Serenade -Organic
Also for Mold use a Sulfur Burner to change the surface area PH- This will keep the mold from growing, but not kill it.
You can view the MONSTERGARDENS.COM Youtube Channel for more tips.

Dr.Dankenstein said:

Use at least 3 types of sprays. Rotate them every 2-3 weeks. Keep spraying as a preventative, even if no sign of bugs. Do the same with a Fungicide, and you will never have issues again.
We recommend, Azamax, Einstein oil, or a hot pepper spray- For Mites/Bugs (Avid, FloraMite-Non organic)
For Fungicide to kill powder mold, Mildew Cure (Safer Grow), Serenade -Organic
Also for Mold use a Sulfur Burner to change the surface area PH- This will keep the mold from growing, but not kill it.
You can view the MONSTERGARDENS.COM Youtube Channel for more tips.

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Dr Dankowitz!!!! YES! Just thought I would add that Serenade is actually a biological control for mildew/molds, not a fungicide. I've also found that using this stuff on flowers is DISGUSTING. And hashes made from trim sprayed with serendade will foam like nobody's business, not in a good way either.

Viagro said:

If the dispensaries are recommending Zero Tolerance, I'm going to go that route. All opinions and experiences are appreciated, though, thanks.

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Right on... Thought I would share.. GOOD LUCK and hope you win the war!!

Cheers!

Treat your root zone (soil) with an azadirachtin based systemic insecticide every 7 days.

Day 1: Use your azadirachtin based insecticide as your first foliar application

Day 4: Use a plant oil based insecticide IE: sucrashield

Day 7: Use a secondary systemic insecticide IE: sm-90

After your third foliar application, move back to the first and repeat.

The logic behind this strategy is that spider mites will build a tolerance to ANY product within 3 applications, so the rotation of insecticides is paramount. Also know that spider mites gestation period is every 3 days so in most cases spraying every day is not necessary.