Haul me to Heaven
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I agree. It was a very good point/statement.
Haul me to Heaven
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Pad... it has nothing to do with right or left. It has everything to do with killing the Jewish State of Israel. Thats it! The Arab nationd have longed for this for years and years.
Would you be willing to read what they've said about that subject?
Would you be willing to read what they've said about that subject?
Johnnyorganic
Well-Known Member
This thread has become tiresome.
What about Global Warming?
What about Global Warming?
jeff f
New Member
lets just deal with this misinformation. after an unprovoced palistinian attack. isreal gets in military aircraft, searches out those responsible and blows the fuck out of them, a specific military target. ie military response to terrorism. notice isreal is responding. its always a response.
for your fucked up theory to be right, their response would be to take tanks and just start lobbing bombs indescrimanetly on neighborhoods, markets, housing etc,
if you cant plainly see the difference in those reactions you are a total fucking moron. and that would be offensive to morons.
so answer the question can you plainly see the difference in the above examples or do you still equate them? answer very carefully. your answer will identify your IQ within 1 percent accuracy.
CrackerJax
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The reason why the Palestinians suffer high civilian casualty rates is because Hamas won't let them leave the target area, nor get into the tunnels for safety.
They are political meat puppets, to garner sympathy and $$$ for more missiles.
Hamas and Co. fire unprovoked missiles into Israel FROM their own areas filled with their own ppl.
Okay, no military outfit would do that by choice. That's a tactic of terrorism. Hamas terrorizes Palestinians as well, make no mistake. They eat their children alive.
It is the nod of approval globally of folks like Paddy, which ENCOURAGES the terrorism. If it didn't bring in the BIG BUCKS ... they would quit terrorism, but folks like sympathetic Paddy keep it going.
They are political meat puppets, to garner sympathy and $$$ for more missiles.
Hamas and Co. fire unprovoked missiles into Israel FROM their own areas filled with their own ppl.
Okay, no military outfit would do that by choice. That's a tactic of terrorism. Hamas terrorizes Palestinians as well, make no mistake. They eat their children alive.
It is the nod of approval globally of folks like Paddy, which ENCOURAGES the terrorism. If it didn't bring in the BIG BUCKS ... they would quit terrorism, but folks like sympathetic Paddy keep it going.
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PadawanBater
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You're not hearing me Jeff. What else do you expect the Arabs to do, get in the tanks they don't have and go fight against Israel? Their options are limited. It's still a stupid way to fight, and it doesn't accomplish any goals, it does nothing but increase the tension and cause more violence. I'm sitting here opposing this shit, just like you, Rick and Cracker, yet the three of you think I'm defending the terrorist organizations who employ the shit. That's incredible.
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/03/25/israel-white-phosphorus-use-evidence-war-crimes
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/2009110181945232797.html
It has all become a response. Both populations are exhibiting a gradeschool mindset, if one attacks, the other must respond, they both feel like it's an attack and not a response.
Bet you won't answer this honestly;
Would you still support Israel if the United States opposed it? (or if Israel was on the terror watch list)
"Hamas won't let them leave the target area"... - Wow cracker, really? So all those people still just go out and decide to vote for them anyway...?
This theory you have of garnering sympathy for the Arab people, that they'd actually support whiping out their own population just to do it is pretty off the wall. When was the last time any battle was won with "sympathy"... I don't remember ever sending Hamas any of my money... I guess all my opposition to the terrorist tactics they use is really benefiting them somehow.
Show me one shred of evidence that says Hamas won't let the Arab people leave the area, which leads to more civilian casualties. ONE!
Israel uses white phosphorus on the densly populated Arab cities. They target them directly, and the civilian casualties are much more than simple "collateral damage", you're a pretty twisted person if you can just mark it off as that.
Explain to me how my sympathy for the Arab/Israeli civilian population alike, and COMPLETE OPPOSITION TO the Arab/Israeli use of terrorism "bring in the BIG BUCKS"... I'll give you a minute...
RickWhite
Well-Known Member
Padawa, you really need to seek a bit more knowledge before you speak. I can post videos of Hammas firing rockets from schools and elsewhere. If you don't know that these guys use human shields, you have no business discussing this issue.
And I repeat - the Palesitians can choose to stop fighting any time they like and they would have peace and their own state. If the Palestinians lay down their arms there would be no more war; if Israel were to lay down their arms there would be no more Israel.
By BENJAMIN NETANYAHU
Imagine a siren that gives you 30 seconds to find shelter before a Kassam rocket falls from the sky and explodes, spraying its lethal shrapnel in all directions. Now imagine this happens day after day, month after month, year after year.
If you can imagine that, you can begin to understand the terror to which hundreds of thousands of Israelis have been subjected. Three years ago Israel withdrew from every square inch of Gaza. And since that withdrawal, our civilians have been targeted by more than 6,000 rockets and mortars fired from Gaza. In the face of this relentless bombardment, Israel has acted with a restraint that other countries, faced with a similar threat, would find hard to fathom. Israel's government has finally decided to respond.
For this action to succeed, we must first have moral clarity. There is no moral equivalence between Israel, a democracy which seeks peace and targets the terrorists, and Hamas, an Iranian-backed terror organization that seeks Israel's destruction and targets the innocent.
In launching precision strikes against Hamas rocket launchers, headquarters, weapons depots, smuggling tunnels and training camps, Israel is trying to minimize civilian casualties. But Hamas deliberately attacks Israeli civilians and deliberately hides behind Palestinian civilians -- a double war crime. Responsible governments do their utmost to minimize civilian casualties, but they do not grant immunity to terrorists who use civilians as human shields.
The international community may occasionally condemn Hamas for putting Palestinian civilians in harm's way, but if it ultimately holds Israel responsible for the casualties that ensue, then Hamas and other terror organizations will employ this abominable tactic again and again.
The charge that Israel is using disproportionate force is equally baseless. Does proportionality demand that Israel fire 6,000 rockets indiscriminately back at Gaza? Does it demand an equal number of casualties on both sides? Using that logic, one would conclude that the United States employed disproportionate force against the Germans because 20 times as many Germans as Americans died in World War II.
In Today's Opinion Journal
In that same war, Britain responded to the firing of thousands of rockets on its population with the wholesale bombing of German cities. Israel's measured response to rocket fire on its cities has come in the form of surgical strikes. To further root out Hamas terrorists in a way that minimizes Palestinian civilian casualties, Israel's army is now engaged in a ground operation that places its soldiers in great peril. Carpet-bombing of Palestinian cities is not an option that any Israeli leader will entertain.
The goal of this mission should be clear: To end the current round of missile attacks and to remove the threat of such attacks in the future. The only cease-fire or diplomatic initiative that should be accepted is one that achieves this dual objective.
If our enemies assumed that the Israeli public would be divided on the eve of an election, they were wrong. When it comes to exercising our most basic right of self-defense, there is no opposition and no coalition. We stand united against Hamas because we know that only by defeating Hamas can we provide security for our people and hope for a future peace.
We fight to defend ourselves, but in so doing we are also fighting a fanatical ideology that seeks to reverse the course of history and throw the civilized world back into a new dark age. The struggle between militant Islam and modernity -- whether fought in Afghanistan, Iraq, India or Gaza -- will decide our common future. It is a battle we cannot afford to lose.
And I repeat - the Palesitians can choose to stop fighting any time they like and they would have peace and their own state. If the Palestinians lay down their arms there would be no more war; if Israel were to lay down their arms there would be no more Israel.
By BENJAMIN NETANYAHU
Imagine a siren that gives you 30 seconds to find shelter before a Kassam rocket falls from the sky and explodes, spraying its lethal shrapnel in all directions. Now imagine this happens day after day, month after month, year after year.
If you can imagine that, you can begin to understand the terror to which hundreds of thousands of Israelis have been subjected. Three years ago Israel withdrew from every square inch of Gaza. And since that withdrawal, our civilians have been targeted by more than 6,000 rockets and mortars fired from Gaza. In the face of this relentless bombardment, Israel has acted with a restraint that other countries, faced with a similar threat, would find hard to fathom. Israel's government has finally decided to respond.
For this action to succeed, we must first have moral clarity. There is no moral equivalence between Israel, a democracy which seeks peace and targets the terrorists, and Hamas, an Iranian-backed terror organization that seeks Israel's destruction and targets the innocent.
In launching precision strikes against Hamas rocket launchers, headquarters, weapons depots, smuggling tunnels and training camps, Israel is trying to minimize civilian casualties. But Hamas deliberately attacks Israeli civilians and deliberately hides behind Palestinian civilians -- a double war crime. Responsible governments do their utmost to minimize civilian casualties, but they do not grant immunity to terrorists who use civilians as human shields.
The international community may occasionally condemn Hamas for putting Palestinian civilians in harm's way, but if it ultimately holds Israel responsible for the casualties that ensue, then Hamas and other terror organizations will employ this abominable tactic again and again.
The charge that Israel is using disproportionate force is equally baseless. Does proportionality demand that Israel fire 6,000 rockets indiscriminately back at Gaza? Does it demand an equal number of casualties on both sides? Using that logic, one would conclude that the United States employed disproportionate force against the Germans because 20 times as many Germans as Americans died in World War II.
In Today's Opinion Journal
In that same war, Britain responded to the firing of thousands of rockets on its population with the wholesale bombing of German cities. Israel's measured response to rocket fire on its cities has come in the form of surgical strikes. To further root out Hamas terrorists in a way that minimizes Palestinian civilian casualties, Israel's army is now engaged in a ground operation that places its soldiers in great peril. Carpet-bombing of Palestinian cities is not an option that any Israeli leader will entertain.
The goal of this mission should be clear: To end the current round of missile attacks and to remove the threat of such attacks in the future. The only cease-fire or diplomatic initiative that should be accepted is one that achieves this dual objective.
If our enemies assumed that the Israeli public would be divided on the eve of an election, they were wrong. When it comes to exercising our most basic right of self-defense, there is no opposition and no coalition. We stand united against Hamas because we know that only by defeating Hamas can we provide security for our people and hope for a future peace.
We fight to defend ourselves, but in so doing we are also fighting a fanatical ideology that seeks to reverse the course of history and throw the civilized world back into a new dark age. The struggle between militant Islam and modernity -- whether fought in Afghanistan, Iraq, India or Gaza -- will decide our common future. It is a battle we cannot afford to lose.
jeff f
New Member
youre either extremely ignorant of the techniques used by hamas or you are a propagandist for the organization. either way, you make no sense in your argument. hopefully you ill realize the truth someday.
CrackerJax
New Member
I give him the benefit of the doubt.... he's not really seeing the game being played. It's a bloody one, and the Palestinians are being used and abused by Hamas, not Israel.
If one looks at the region before Israel, the Palestinians were always the low ppl on the arab totem pole, and were basically shunned. A nationless ppl of nomads. They are the fodder in a war of attrition and senseless blood. in a sense, trapped by the other tribes to a life of misery.
Not one refugee camp has ever been emptied. Egypt has sealed it's border preventing palestinians from entering their domain.
No one wants them.
Except for one thing......
Palestine's BEST hope lies with Israel, not Hamas, or the Arab nations.
If one looks at the region before Israel, the Palestinians were always the low ppl on the arab totem pole, and were basically shunned. A nationless ppl of nomads. They are the fodder in a war of attrition and senseless blood. in a sense, trapped by the other tribes to a life of misery.
Not one refugee camp has ever been emptied. Egypt has sealed it's border preventing palestinians from entering their domain.
No one wants them.
Except for one thing......
Palestine's BEST hope lies with Israel, not Hamas, or the Arab nations.
Haul me to Heaven
New Member
except for one thing = war puppets.
CrackerJax
New Member
Exactly..... they are the grist for the mill of hatred in that region. it's much better for the Arab nations to have their ppl hate Israel, than to have them wish to emulate their stunning success, which would mandate and end to King led nations with few human rights.
It's always easier to point fingers ... just ask Obama.
It's always easier to point fingers ... just ask Obama.