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SmichiganOG said:
Excellent! I see you're walking in the footsteps of Uncle Buck who walks in the footsteps of Donald Trump. You people are very righteous indeed. I applaud you. Are you sure you're not Russians?
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Here's what she said:

Tripp told Klein she realized she sounded 'melodramatic,' but 'I can only say that from my perspective, I believe that she and I were at the time in danger, because nothing stands in the way of these people achieving their political ends.'
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She said this with no proof, no evidence of any kind, just her "opinion".

Now lets look at her "tapes" transcripts of every conversation she ever had with Lewinsky:

A Letter to the President

Oct. 6, 1997. Ms. Lewinsky decides to write to the President asking for a job in New York by Dec 1, 1997, and asks Mrs. Tripp for her help with the text.
MS. LEWINSKY Well, I typed it up.

MRS. TRIPP O.K.

MS. LEWINSKY So, I don't know. O.K. "It has been made clear to me that there is no way I'm going to be able to come back to the White House. The reasons are too lengthy to get into in a letter, and I can explain them to you in person. I want you to know that it has always been and remains to be more important to me to have you in my life than to come back. Having said that, I am extremely underchallenged and unhappy in my current position."

MRS. TRIPP Hmm.

MS. LEWINSKY It's too choppy. "Can you please secure a position for me at the U.N. as a GS-12 or 13 beginning 1 December. I would like to give my two weeks' notice as soon as possible and have some time to get myself together. My roommate, a�k�a my mom, has recently taken an apartment in New York, and we are in the process of looking for something else in D.C. It doesn't look like I can stay here. I need to be -- if I need something before we make any more commitments here."

MRS. TRIPP Mm-hmm.

MS. LEWINSKY Before we make any commitments. .�.�. "Handsome: You have been distant the past few months and shut me out. I don't know why. Is it that you don't like me anymore or are you scared? Please let me come see you this evening or Thursday night. I want to hear it, I want to hear it from you. No one else. I don't think it is asking too much after all that has happened to ask to have this discussion in person."

MRS. TRIPP Brilliant, except for the one part.

MS. LEWINSKY Which one part?

MRS. TRIPP If you put a 12 or 13 there, I am going to throw up.

MS. LEWINSKY O.K. Well, I don't have to put it? What do you mean?

MRS. TRIPP Oh, Monica, Monica, Monica. For people who are not even in any situation, they can do better.

MS. LEWINSKY Oh, Linda, please don't start with me on that.

MRS. TRIPP He would want to do better, so don't limit him is what I'm saying.

MS. LEWINSKY O.K. You know what I'll do. O.K., this is what I'll do. I will bring all my little paperwork that I had made up to have my meeting .�.�.

and show him there and say, "This is what I am making. This is what I should be making. This is what I'd like to make."

MRS. TRIPP (Sigh)

MS. LEWINSKY O.K., look, Linda ----.

MRS. TRIPP Look. In New York ----.

MS. LEWINSKY You know, this isn't just one way.

MRS. TRIPP Let me just say this: No, no, no. New York, the cost of living is even higher than here.

MS. LEWINSKY I know it is, but you'll also get a cost-of-living adjustment.

MRS. TRIPP No, it's not significant.

MS. LEWINSKY No, but let me tell you something. O.K.? I just want you to look at this from his position for a minute. O.K.?

MRS. TRIPP Mm-hmm.

MS. LEWINSKY He's thinking to himself: "I'm going to take this girl and I'm moving her. And the reason I'm moving her and the reason all this is happening is because she was my girlfriend. And I'm going to make her go from making $30,000 a year to $90,000 a year."

MRS. TRIPP No, no. But what I'm saying is, This is done routinely.

MS. LEWINSKY But ----. I know. But the reason it's done is not routine. I think that's going to scare the [deleted] out of him.

MRS. TRIPP Well, no, because actually, he doesn't have to establish the grade. That's, that's out of his hands. What he can do ----.

MS. LEWINSKY O.K. Well, look, I'll take it out of the letter.

MRS. TRIPP O.K.

MS. LEWINSKY I'll take it out of the letter.

MRS. TRIPP I would just say let's not limit yourself.

Yeah. Really threatening shit there.
 
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A Talk With Jordan

Oct. 16, 1997. Ms. Lewinsky tells Mrs. Tripp of a conversation with Vernon E. Jordan Jr., a friend of President Clinton.

MRS. TRIPP So you talked to him this morning?

MS. LEWINSKY So I talked to him around ----. It was around 3:00, I think.

MRS. TRIPP O.K.

MS. LEWINSKY And, uh, his general attitude was, you know, "As long as you have a job that you're going to, I, you know, I want you to be happy, so whatever you want to do."

MRS. TRIPP Uh. So he wasn't suspicious.

MS. LEWINSKY Of course he was suspicious.

MRS. TRIPP He was?

MS. LEWINSKY You know, he asked me point-blank if I, you know, had a thing with him.

MRS. TRIPP He asked you point-blank. No, he didn't.

MS. LEWINSKY Yes, he did.

MRS. TRIPP What did he say?

MS. LEWINSKY He said, "Did you have an affair with him?"

MRS. TRIPP He said, "Did you have an affair with the President?" You're kidding.

MS. LEWINSKY Not "the P," but with him. I mean, obviously that's what he meant, he just didn't say the name.

MRS. TRIPP Really?

MS. LEWINSKY And I said, "No." I mean, I said, "But to tell you the truth, if I had, I would say 'no' still."

MRS. TRIPP You said that?

MS. LEWINSKY Uh-huh.

MRS. TRIPP And what did he say?

MS. LEWINSKY Nothing.

MRS. TRIPP (Laughter) So I wonder if he wonders.

MS. LEWINSKY I'm sure he wonders. I'm sure he ----.

MRS. TRIPP Did you tell him he was helping you?

MS. LEWINSKY Mm-hmm.

MRS. TRIPP Did he question that?

MS. LEWINSKY No.

MRS. TRIPP See, that was the part I thought he would question.

MS. LEWINSKY No, because I -- I didn't really -- it was -- it came out fine. It was, you know -- oh .�.�. hold on.

Oh, my God. Uh -- O.K. I told that, you know -- see I knew this would work with him. I knew that bringing in -- just the whole idea that, like, I had conversations with him. Do you know what I mean?

MRS. TRIPP Really?

MS. LEWINSKY Just that whole idea makes everything almost O.K.

MRS. TRIPP Really?

MS. LEWINSKY Yeah. I mean, this is like, you know, he's like a normal person.

MRS. TRIPP Yeah.

MS. LEWINSKY You know what I mean? Like, you know, we're jaded, we're very jaded.

MRS. TRIPP So having a conversation with the big creep is no big deal to us.

MS. LEWINSKY Right.

MRS. TRIPP But it is to ----. Yeah.

MS. LEWINSKY You know, so he -- he was very cool. So, you know, I -- I explained, I said, uh, you know, this, that (coughing). So he said, you know, "That's what happens."

I was really upset in general. I called you when I got ----. I went out this morning, and I came home, and I was so upset, Linda.

MRS. TRIPP Why?

MS. LEWINSKY I was just -- I was so angry, and I just -- I was disgusted, like nauseous.

MRS. TRIPP About?

MS. LEWINSKY About what's happened. Like the fact that I'm not going back there, just nauseous about it.

MRS. TRIPP I know. I keep going back and forth with the same thing.

MS. LEWINSKY You know, but -- (sigh). They -- they were never going to do it, you know, so -- because, look, the truth is is that -- plus they had had three weeks and there was still nothing. All they had to do was [deleted] create something.

MRS. TRIPP Or at least give you an update.

MS. LEWINSKY Right, you know.

MRS. TRIPP "It looks like this," or, "It looks like that." But you got nothing.

MS. LEWINSKY Nothing, you know.

MRS. TRIPP Which, you know, then I wonder if you had pushed, would that have ever come to anything. But I don't know.

MS. LEWINSKY I don't think so. I don't think so, you know.

MRS. TRIPP (Sigh) Well, I -- I have such mixed feelings about the whole thing.

MS. LEWINSKY I mean, I -- don't you think the telling part of it was how quickly there was movement on this?

MRS. TRIPP As soon as you said New York.

MS. LEWINSKY Mm-hmm.

MRS. TRIPP Mm-hmm. Well, It's -- it's -- without a doubt, easier for them to do this. Do I think it was impossible the other way? No. I just don't know -- I don't know whether I trust them to do what they say they were going to do.

MRS. TRIPP Okay. That's what you have to tell your father.

MS. LEWINSKY Well I understand that. I don't -- look. The way I feel right now is [words deleted]

Yeah. More awesome threats there!
 
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White House Involvement

Oct. 16, 1997. The women discuss whether Erskine B. . Bowles, the White House chief of staff, should be involved in finding Ms. Lewinsky a job.

MRS. TRIPP If he -- if he is at all involved, this is right up his alley, too. He's got more connections in industry and every other thing than you can imagine.

MS. LEWINSKY Along with the [words deleted] too.

MRS. TRIPP Well [deleted] he's amazing. So between the two of them, he can ----.

MS. LEWINSKY Well, see, I don't really think -- I'm going to tell him that I don't think Erskine should have anything to do with this. I don't think anybody who works there should.

MRS. TRIPP I don't see how that's -- how that's a problem.

MS. LEWINSKY Because look at what happened with Webb Hubbell. I'm just saying -- --.

MRS. TRIPP Oh, please.

MS. LEWINSKY I'm just saying ----.

MRS. TRIP (Sigh)

MS. LEWINSKY You know?

MRS. TRIPP Yeah, but this isn't -- are you -- are you telling me that you think Erskine doesn't place people every day of the week? I mean, come on. That's how networking works.

MS. LEWINSKY But not people ----.

MRS. TRIPP He has no connection ----.

MS. LEWINSKY ---- who worked ---- .

MRS. TRIPP He has no connection with you.

MS. LEWINSKY I don't know. I just think Vernon is a lot safer.

MRS. TRIPP Well, I don't remember during the Webb Hubbell thing, was Vernon mentioned?

MS. LEWINSKY Yeah, but there's a big difference. I think somebody could construe, O.K.? Somebody could construe or say, "Well, they gave her a job to shut her up. They made her happy."

MRS. TRIPP Hmpf.

MS. LEWINSKY "And he works for the Government and shouldn't have done that." And with the other one you can't say that.

MRS. TRIPP Well, that's true.

MS. LEWINSKY That's why I think it's not bright. .�.�.

Clinton's Psyche

Oct. 17, 1997. Ms. Lewinsky quotes Mr. Clinton.

MS. LEWINSKY "I have an empty life except for my work and it's a [deleted] obsession."

MRS. TRIPP He said that?

MS. LEWINSKY Mm-hmm.

MRS. TRIPP He has an empty life except for his work?

MS. LEWINSKY Right. And then I said, I said, "Well, don't you get any warmth and da da da from your wife?"

MRS. TRIPP You didn't.

MS. LEWINSKY I did. He said, "Of course, I do."

MRS. TRIPP Yeah. What he really told you was the truth before that, Monica. "I have an empty life"? MS. LEWINSKY But, Linda, that's [word deleted]. What about his daughter and all the things he does and you know-- .�.�.

MRS. TRIPP No, no. What he's saying is his compulsion for female intimacy is the void, that's the void. And whatever motivates him to behave the way he does, and then obviously he has to pull back and say, "I can't do this," is because there's a void.

And so him, for him to say, "I have an empty life," you don't understand, Monica. By now, Air Force One, all the trips, all that's pretty routine. It's pretty routine.

Yes, he has accolades wherever he goes. He's the most photographed man on this planet. It -- it -- uh -- it's like anything else. It becomes old hat, it becomes routine. And I think it makes you even more realize what's missing.

I have a couple of friends who are so rich that they could buy an island and not feel it. I mean, very, very, very wealthy and have always been. And they are much more difficult to satisfy on a spiritual level than anyone I know, because they have it all, and it just doesn't mean anything.

MS. LEWINSKY I don't know. I think -- I think he likes to feel sorry for himself, and I think he -- I think he -- not necessarily consciously, but unconsciously, it was like this is the thing to say to drive home the point.

MRS. TRIPP No, no. No, you're wrong. I think he slipped, and I think also -- if he were a completely fulfilled man, you wouldn't exist in his life.

MS. LEWINSKY Yeah.

MRS. TRIPP So you better understand that. I mean, you wouldn't have ever been an issue.

MS. LEWINSKY But there have been millions of women.

MRS. TRIPP And that means there is an issue here.





Concern for Lewinsky

Nov. 20, 1997. Ms. Lewinsky discusses Paula Corbin Jones, and Mrs. Tripp expresses concern for Ms. Lewinsky.

MRS. TRIPP You're in a horrible predicament right now.

MS. LEWINSKY I know.

MRS. TRIPP You're in a horrible predicament right now. And you know what they say, the best offense is a good deep -- the best defense is a good offense? Um, my big fear has been all along that because of your repeated messages over there and phone calls and things, messengers and all this stuff, my big fear has been that instead of waiting for the off chance that you might do something, that's been my big fear.

MS. LEWINSKY Then they do something. Linda, then that's what they'll do. I'm not -- I would rather let them say something bad about me than get into a whole thing because you know what? I have zero respect. I have zero respect.

And this has nothing to do with him. It has to do with the fact that this person is doing a good job for this country. I have zero respect for Paula Jones because of that.

MRS. TRIPP I know.

MS. LEWINSKY Because she is causing trouble for this country.

MRS. TRIPP Mm-hmm.

MS. LEWINSKY Kathleen, I have zero respect for that. I have zero respect for people like that, and I would never do it. I don't care if they get out of there and say I'm a crazy person who is chasing him. I don't care.

MRS. TRIPP That is what they would say.

MS. LEWINSKY Well, then that's what they'll say. And anybody who says anything to the contrary, be it my friend or not my friend, I will deny it.

MRS. TRIPP I know.

MS. LEWINSKY Because that's not the kind of person I am. I think it's disgusting. I think what they're doing is disgusting, if that's what they do, you know.

I don't think so. I don't -- I don't think that's their fear. Because if they were really afraid -- as I said to you today, if they were really afraid that I would do something, they would have brought me back.

MRS. TRIPP Yeah.

MS. LEWINSKY They're more afraid of what other people would say.

MRS. TRIPP Yeah, you're right.

MS. LEWINSKY So --

MRS. TRIPP So it would have been easier to just put you right back there where you would be happy and not, you know -- you're right.

MRS. TRIPP So I just -- it doesn't matter. I don't they're going to do that, and I think that's the being paranoid thinking it. So --

MRS. TRIPP (Sighing) Well, I'm happy your mother's coming home tomorrow.

MS. LEWINSKY Me, too.

MRS. TRIPP Because this is -- this is beyond belief.

You said before that you'll hang up on him when he calls and then you don't. So don't chastise yourself if you don't.

MS. LEWINSKY Well, I don't want to talk to him. I mean, there's nothing to say. There is nothing to say.

MRS. TRIPP Well, let me put it to you this way. By hanging up and saying you're telling your parents and then hanging up the phone, you're saying a whole hell of a lot more than you could ever do in a 20-minute conversation.

MS. LEWINSKY I know. (tape skip) (inaudible) my mom will kill me if I don't tell him -- make it clear at some point that I'm not going to hurt him, because -- see my mom's big fear is that he's going to send somebody out to kill me.

MRS. TRIPP Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

MS. LEWINSKY So --

MRS. TRIPP Shut up.

MS. LEWINSKY Well, that's what she thinks.

MRS. TRIPP Oh, my God. Don't even say such an asinine thing. He's not that stupid. He's an arrogant .�.�. but he's not that stupid.

MS. LEWINSKY Well, you know, accidents happen.

MRS. TRIPP Oh, please, Don't even say that. Someone will walk over my grave when you say things like that. (Sighing)

I believe he knows that you're not going to hurt him. If you have to say it, say it. Look, all you have to say is, "You have nothing to worry about from me."


Yeah. Giving her a job to shut her up. Woooooooooo boy...I'd be scared to death too!
 
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Preserving Lewinsky's Dress

Nov. 20, 1997. Mrs. Tripp urges Ms. Lewinsky to preserve a dress she wore during a sexual encounter with the President.

MRS. TRIPP O.K. So one other thing I want to say to you that you can do what you want with --

MS. LEWINSKY Oh.

MRS. TRIPP -- but I want you to think about this -- and really think about it, instead of always just dissing what I say, O.K.?

MS. LEWINSKY I don't always dis what you say.

MRS. TRIPP Well --

MS. LEWINSKY But sometimes you're such a --

MRS. TRIPP You're very stubborn. You're very stubborn (sigh). The navy blue dress. Now, all I would say to you is: I know how you feel today, and I know why you feel the way you do today, but you have a very long life ahead of you, and I don't know what's going to happen to you. Neither do you. I don't know anything and you don't know anything. I mean, the future is a blank slate. I don't know what will happen. I would rather you had that in your possession if you need it years from now. That's all I'm going to say.

MS. LEWINSKY You think that I can hold onto a dress for 10, 15 years with from --

MRS. TRIPP Hey, listen. My cousin is a genetic whatchermacallit.

MS. LEWINSKY Uh.

MRS. TRIPP -- and during O.J. Simpson, I questioned all the DNA, and do you know what he told me?

MS. LEWINSKY Huh?

MRS. TRIPP I will never forget this. And he's like a Ph.D., and blah, blah, blah. And he said that on a rape victim now -- they couldn't do this, you know, even five years ago. On a rape victim now, if she has preserved a pinprick size of crusted semen, 10 years from that time, if she takes a wet Q-tip and blobs it on there and has a pinprick on a Q-tip, they can match the DNA with absolutely -- with certainty.

MS. LEWINSKY So why can't I scratch that [deleted] off and put it in a plastic bag?

MRS. TRIPP You can't scratch it off. You would have to use a Q-tip.

And I feel like this is what I would tell my own daughter. That's why I'm saying this to you. I would say to my own daughter, for your own ultimate protection, which mea culpa, I hope you never need it. But I don't want you to -- to take it away, either. I'm telling you, I would say this to my own daughter, who would tell me to off, but --

MS. LEWINSKY Well, I'll think about it.

MRS. TRIPP All right.

MS. LEWINSKY I'll think about it. I just --

MRS. TRIPP I -- and believe me, I know how you feel now. I just don't want to take away your options down the road, should you need them.

And believe me, I know better than anybody probably, other than your mother, that you would never, ever use them if you didn't have to. I know this. Believe me.

I -- I just -- I -- I don't trust the people around him and I just want you to have that for you. Put it in a Baggie, put it in a zip-lock bag, and you pack it in with your treasures, for what I care. I mean, whatever. Put it in one of your little antiques.

MS. LEWINSKY What for, though? What do you think --

MRS. TRIPP I don't know, Monica. It's just this nagging, awful feeling I have in the back of my head.

MS. LEWINSKY What if I didn't have it?

MRS. TRIPP Well, I know that. I'm just -- I think it's a blessing you do, and it could be your only insurance policy down the road. Or it could never be needed, and you can throw it away.

But I -- I never, ever want to read about you going off the deep end because someone comes out and calls you a stalker or something, and you have -- and he confirms it. Something, God forbid, awful like that.

And in this day and age, there's nothing I don't -- I don't trust anybody. Maybe I'm being paranoid. If I am, indulge me. I'm not saying you should do it if you don't want to; I'm just saying I think it would be a smart thing to do. And then put it somewhere where no one knows where it is but you. And you don't label it, obviously. Of course, you don't say --

MS. LEWINSKY I know. I know.

MRS. TRIPP (Laughing)



On Lying and Testifying

Dec. 22, 1997. Both women have recently been subpoenaed in the Paula Corbin Jones case.

MRS. TRIPP Hey, look, Monica, we already know that you're going to lie under oath. We also know that I want out of this, big time. I mean, how else is this going to go? If I have to testify -- If I'm forced to answer questions and I answer truthfully, it's going to be the opposite of what you say, so therefore, it's a conflict right there.

MS. LEWINSKY But it doesn't have to be a conflict.

MRS. TRIPP What do you mean? How? Tell me how. Tell me how. I'm supposed to say -- if they say, "Has Monica Lewinsky ever said to you that she is in love with the President or is having a physical relationship with the President?" -- if I say no, that is [word deleted] perjury.

That's the bottom line. I will do everything I can not to be in that position. That's what I'm trying to do, but I don't know how else to do this. I'm coming up with foot surgery in Calfiornia. I will do anything.

MS. LEWINSKY I know.

MRS. TRIPP But, no, you really don't know, 'cause you don't believe me. I think you really believe --

MS. LEWINSKY I believe you.

MRS. TRIPP -- that this is very easy and I should just say "[expletive deleted] they can't prove it."

MS. LEWINSKY I believe you, but obviously, I don't have the same feelings about the situation that you do, so I can't --

MRS. TRIPP What do you mean?

MS. LEWINSKY Because if I had the same feelings, that it as so wrong to do -- to -- to deny -- to deny something, then -- then I would not be doing it. Do you see what I mean?

MRS. TRIPP I think down deep, you don't like having to lie.

MS. LEWINSKY Of course not. I don't think anybody likes to. I don't think anybody likes to, but it's like --

MRS. TRIPP But the scary thing to me --

MS. LEWINSKY This is how -- This is how family is. This is -- I would lie on the stand for my family. That is how I was raised as family.

MRS. TRIPP I don't think I -- you know, what Monica? You're going to die here, and I would do almost anything for my kids, but I don't think I would lie on the stand for them.

MS. LEWINSKY Well, I mean, I just -- that's just for me, you know, that's just how --

MRS. TRIPP I mean, I have this --

MS. LEWINSKY I'm sure you were raised, too, in a very sort of honorable family.

MRS. TRIPP I would have been -- I would have probably been tarred and feathered if I even considered saying like that in my house.

MS. LEWINSKY Right.

MRS. TRIPP Look --

MS. LEWINSKY And I'm -- and I was brought up with lies all the time, so that -- that was how -- that was how you got along in life -- was by lying.

MRS. TRIPP I don't believe that. Is that true?

MS. LEWINSKY Yes, that's true. I wanted something from dad -- well, once my parents were divorced, if I wanted money from my dad, I had to make up a story. When my parents were married, my mom was always lying to my dad for everything. Everything. My mom helped me sneak out of the house. I mean, that's just how -- that's just how I was raised.

MRS. TRIPP Well, in the Catholic religion, there are white lies and there are black lies. Those are white lies. Those are kind of like likes like, "You look great," when you really look [word deleted].

MS. LEWINSKY Uh-uh.

MRS. TRIPP That -- that's not what I'm talking about here.

MS. LEWINSKY I mean, I have outright -- I lied to my dad. I have lied my entire life [words deleted]

MRS. TRIPP [words deleted]

MRS. TRIPP It's. -- I know it's huge to you, I know it's huge, but your answer -- I'm being [word deleted] friend and that is the last thing I want to do, because I won't lie. Okay? How do you think that makes me feel? I could make you -- I could make you stop crying and I could make your life so much easier, if I would just[word deleted] lie.

How do you think this makes me feel? I feel like I'm sticking a knife in your back and I know that at the end of this if I have to go forward, you will never speak to me again and I will lose a dear friend -- someone whose friendship I value very much. And I -- I keep my friends over a lifetime. I don't -- I don't pick friends --

MS. LEWINSKY I know. I know.

MRS. TRIPP -- and then dump them when they're done with the job.


Yeah. Talking about preserving a dress for evidence and how Catholics lie. Groudbreaking, earth shattering shit there man. You and Tripp are two peas in a lying, sack of shit pod.
 
SmichiganOG said:
Denial. Projection. And the spitting image of mr. Trump. I know the narcissist has to be in there somewhere.
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Projection?

So it’s me who’s only been a member for a month and coming running into the politics section with a raging hate boner for anyone who tells the truth about what a piece of shit your orange, neo nazi praising hero is?

You suck at this really bad. If I were you, I’d kill myself. That’s how bad you suck at this
 
SmichiganOG said:
Denial. Projection. And the spitting image of mr. Trump. I know the narcissist has to be in there somewhere.
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hanimmal said:
So I can't say that she doesn't actually believe that she saves Lewinski's life. But if that is the best they got is someone saying that, my next step is to look at who is saying it. I already know that website is full of propaganda from other people posting it here a lot of the time. But especially when I read the article and the person who is doing the interview is affiliated with Breitbart, which brings in whats his face... Bannon. It is pure propaganda, based on propaganda. Because of the filter it almost feels legitimate.

They were working overseas posting these stories nonstop to stir up legitimate rage against Hillary Clinton if the stuff they were saying was true. But the thing is, Trump and his army of Trolls know that unless they are sworn in, they can flat out lie and make up any story they want. Because the army of foreign government 'journalists' and trolls will flood the internet with the story the way they want it to confuse everyone in the hopes that Trump gets to win again.

That is why you should stick to places like the AP news, Rueters, etc. If you see a story you find interesting, put the keywords into the actual news sites and see what they say about them. It is not that what they are saying in those propaganda sites is 'incorrect' it is that they selectively cut out the parts of the facts that would make their story false.
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this was originally in Yahoo News, I don't know where the story first appeared. This is not the original article I saw but that is what the original article stated, to the effect that she had no doubt that the clintons would have killed Monica Lewinsky. Because I've seen it appear in different print I'm well aware that doesn't make it true. It is a mainstream article however. And my point is everyone sees it No One Believes it apparently. It's just too inconvenient to believe that the clintons are Criminal. Thanks for making an attempt at trying to have a civil conversation. It appears to be a lot to ask on this forum.
 
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SmichiganOG said:
Denial. Projection. And the spitting image of mr. Trump. I know the narcissist has to be in there somewhere.
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TacoMac said:
Last recordings:

Preserving Lewinsky's Dress

Nov. 20, 1997. Mrs. Tripp urges Ms. Lewinsky to preserve a dress she wore during a sexual encounter with the President.

MRS. TRIPP O.K. So one other thing I want to say to you that you can do what you want with --

MS. LEWINSKY Oh.

MRS. TRIPP -- but I want you to think about this -- and really think about it, instead of always just dissing what I say, O.K.?

MS. LEWINSKY I don't always dis what you say.

MRS. TRIPP Well --

MS. LEWINSKY But sometimes you're such a --

MRS. TRIPP You're very stubborn. You're very stubborn (sigh). The navy blue dress. Now, all I would say to you is: I know how you feel today, and I know why you feel the way you do today, but you have a very long life ahead of you, and I don't know what's going to happen to you. Neither do you. I don't know anything and you don't know anything. I mean, the future is a blank slate. I don't know what will happen. I would rather you had that in your possession if you need it years from now. That's all I'm going to say.

MS. LEWINSKY You think that I can hold onto a dress for 10, 15 years with from --

MRS. TRIPP Hey, listen. My cousin is a genetic whatchermacallit.

MS. LEWINSKY Uh.

MRS. TRIPP -- and during O.J. Simpson, I questioned all the DNA, and do you know what he told me?

MS. LEWINSKY Huh?

MRS. TRIPP I will never forget this. And he's like a Ph.D., and blah, blah, blah. And he said that on a rape victim now -- they couldn't do this, you know, even five years ago. On a rape victim now, if she has preserved a pinprick size of crusted semen, 10 years from that time, if she takes a wet Q-tip and blobs it on there and has a pinprick on a Q-tip, they can match the DNA with absolutely -- with certainty.

MS. LEWINSKY So why can't I scratch that [deleted] off and put it in a plastic bag?

MRS. TRIPP You can't scratch it off. You would have to use a Q-tip.

And I feel like this is what I would tell my own daughter. That's why I'm saying this to you. I would say to my own daughter, for your own ultimate protection, which mea culpa, I hope you never need it. But I don't want you to -- to take it away, either. I'm telling you, I would say this to my own daughter, who would tell me to off, but --

MS. LEWINSKY Well, I'll think about it.

MRS. TRIPP All right.

MS. LEWINSKY I'll think about it. I just --

MRS. TRIPP I -- and believe me, I know how you feel now. I just don't want to take away your options down the road, should you need them.

And believe me, I know better than anybody probably, other than your mother, that you would never, ever use them if you didn't have to. I know this. Believe me.

I -- I just -- I -- I don't trust the people around him and I just want you to have that for you. Put it in a Baggie, put it in a zip-lock bag, and you pack it in with your treasures, for what I care. I mean, whatever. Put it in one of your little antiques.

MS. LEWINSKY What for, though? What do you think --

MRS. TRIPP I don't know, Monica. It's just this nagging, awful feeling I have in the back of my head.

MS. LEWINSKY What if I didn't have it?

MRS. TRIPP Well, I know that. I'm just -- I think it's a blessing you do, and it could be your only insurance policy down the road. Or it could never be needed, and you can throw it away.

But I -- I never, ever want to read about you going off the deep end because someone comes out and calls you a stalker or something, and you have -- and he confirms it. Something, God forbid, awful like that.

And in this day and age, there's nothing I don't -- I don't trust anybody. Maybe I'm being paranoid. If I am, indulge me. I'm not saying you should do it if you don't want to; I'm just saying I think it would be a smart thing to do. And then put it somewhere where no one knows where it is but you. And you don't label it, obviously. Of course, you don't say --

MS. LEWINSKY I know. I know.

MRS. TRIPP (Laughing)



On Lying and Testifying

Dec. 22, 1997. Both women have recently been subpoenaed in the Paula Corbin Jones case.

MRS. TRIPP Hey, look, Monica, we already know that you're going to lie under oath. We also know that I want out of this, big time. I mean, how else is this going to go? If I have to testify -- If I'm forced to answer questions and I answer truthfully, it's going to be the opposite of what you say, so therefore, it's a conflict right there.

MS. LEWINSKY But it doesn't have to be a conflict.

MRS. TRIPP What do you mean? How? Tell me how. Tell me how. I'm supposed to say -- if they say, "Has Monica Lewinsky ever said to you that she is in love with the President or is having a physical relationship with the President?" -- if I say no, that is [word deleted] perjury.

That's the bottom line. I will do everything I can not to be in that position. That's what I'm trying to do, but I don't know how else to do this. I'm coming up with foot surgery in Calfiornia. I will do anything.

MS. LEWINSKY I know.

MRS. TRIPP But, no, you really don't know, 'cause you don't believe me. I think you really believe --

MS. LEWINSKY I believe you.

MRS. TRIPP -- that this is very easy and I should just say "[expletive deleted] they can't prove it."

MS. LEWINSKY I believe you, but obviously, I don't have the same feelings about the situation that you do, so I can't --

MRS. TRIPP What do you mean?

MS. LEWINSKY Because if I had the same feelings, that it as so wrong to do -- to -- to deny -- to deny something, then -- then I would not be doing it. Do you see what I mean?

MRS. TRIPP I think down deep, you don't like having to lie.

MS. LEWINSKY Of course not. I don't think anybody likes to. I don't think anybody likes to, but it's like --

MRS. TRIPP But the scary thing to me --

MS. LEWINSKY This is how -- This is how family is. This is -- I would lie on the stand for my family. That is how I was raised as family.

MRS. TRIPP I don't think I -- you know, what Monica? You're going to die here, and I would do almost anything for my kids, but I don't think I would lie on the stand for them.

MS. LEWINSKY Well, I mean, I just -- that's just for me, you know, that's just how --

MRS. TRIPP I mean, I have this --

MS. LEWINSKY I'm sure you were raised, too, in a very sort of honorable family.

MRS. TRIPP I would have been -- I would have probably been tarred and feathered if I even considered saying like that in my house.

MS. LEWINSKY Right.

MRS. TRIPP Look --

MS. LEWINSKY And I'm -- and I was brought up with lies all the time, so that -- that was how -- that was how you got along in life -- was by lying.

MRS. TRIPP I don't believe that. Is that true?

MS. LEWINSKY Yes, that's true. I wanted something from dad -- well, once my parents were divorced, if I wanted money from my dad, I had to make up a story. When my parents were married, my mom was always lying to my dad for everything. Everything. My mom helped me sneak out of the house. I mean, that's just how -- that's just how I was raised.

MRS. TRIPP Well, in the Catholic religion, there are white lies and there are black lies. Those are white lies. Those are kind of like likes like, "You look great," when you really look [word deleted].

MS. LEWINSKY Uh-uh.

MRS. TRIPP That -- that's not what I'm talking about here.

MS. LEWINSKY I mean, I have outright -- I lied to my dad. I have lied my entire life [words deleted]

MRS. TRIPP [words deleted]

MRS. TRIPP It's. -- I know it's huge to you, I know it's huge, but your answer -- I'm being [word deleted] friend and that is the last thing I want to do, because I won't lie. Okay? How do you think that makes me feel? I could make you -- I could make you stop crying and I could make your life so much easier, if I would just[word deleted] lie.

How do you think this makes me feel? I feel like I'm sticking a knife in your back and I know that at the end of this if I have to go forward, you will never speak to me again and I will lose a dear friend -- someone whose friendship I value very much. And I -- I keep my friends over a lifetime. I don't -- I don't pick friends --

MS. LEWINSKY I know. I know.

MRS. TRIPP -- and then dump them when they're done with the job.


Yeah. Talking about preserving a dress for evidence and how Catholics lie. Groudbreaking, earth shattering shit there man. You and Tripp are two peas in a lying, sack of shit pod.
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Was keeping the dress a smart thing to do? So what is the problem? She took on Bill Clinton, most holy of holies?
 
SmichiganOG said:
more Russian propaganda
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The only thing Tripp did was use a very naive Monika Lewinsky to advance her own career.

Tripp was convinced that if she recorded all of this and became a whistleblower (read as worthless, user piece of shit) that she would be hailed as a hero and/or could blackmail her way to a better career.

It backfired catastrophically.

People saw Tripp for exactly what she was: a manipulative, narcissistic bitch.

Her career was ruined and she was laughed out of Washington.

All she has left now is...well...you.

How fucking pathetic is that?
 
UncleBuck said:
Projection?

So it’s me who’s only been a member for a month and coming running into the politics section with a raging hate boner for anyone who tells the truth about what a piece of shit your orange, neo nazi praising hero is?

You suck at this really bad. If I were you, I’d kill myself. That’s how bad you suck at this
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TacoMac said:
The only thing Tripp did was use a very naive Monika Lewinsky to advance her own career.

Tripp was convinced that if she recorded all of this and became a whistleblower (read as worthless, user piece of shit) that she would be hailed as a hero and/or could blackmail her way to a better career.

It backfired catastrophically.

People saw Tripp for exactly what she was: a manipulative, narcissistic bitch.

Her career was ruined and she was laughed out of Washington.

All she has left now is...well...you.

How fucking pathetic is that?
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Sources?
 
TacoMac said:
MS. LEWINSKY It's too choppy. "Can you please secure a position for me at the U.N. as a GS-12 or 13 beginning 1 December. I would like to give my two weeks' notice as soon as possible and have some time to get myself together. My roommate, a�k�a my mom, has recently taken an apartment in New York, and we are in the process of looking for something else in D.C. It doesn't look like I can stay here. I need to be -- if I need something before we make any more commitments here."

MRS. TRIPP Mm-hmm.

MS. LEWINSKY Before we make any commitments. .�.�. "Handsome: You have been distant the past few months and shut me out. I don't know why. Is it that you don't like me anymore or are you scared? Please let me come see you this evening or Thursday night. I want to hear it, I want to hear it from you. No one else. I don't think it is asking too much after all that has happened to ask to have this discussion in person."

MRS. TRIPP Brilliant, except for the one part.

MS. LEWINSKY Which one part?

MRS. TRIPP If you put a 12 or 13 there, I am going to throw up.

MS. LEWINSKY O.K. Well, I don't have to put it? What do you mean?

MRS. TRIPP Oh, Monica, Monica, Monica. For people who are not even in any situation, they can do better.

MS. LEWINSKY Oh, Linda, please don't start with me on that.
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That is some shit! She is trying to convince her to get a pay off when Lewinsky just wanted a higher (than I think she would warrant) pay grade?
 
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