Coronavirus treatment options and the impact on public policy

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Vitamin D linked to low virus death rate, study finds

A new study has found an association between low average levels of vitamin D and high numbers of COVID-19 cases and mortality rates across 20 European countries.
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Vitamin D linked to low virus death rate, study finds
New COVID-19 research finds relationship in data from 20 European countries

Summary:A new study has found an association between low average levels of vitamin D and high numbers of COVID-19 cases and mortality rates across 20 European countries.

A new study has found an association between low average levels of vitamin D and high numbers of COVID-19 cases and mortality rates across 20 European countries.

The research, led by Dr Lee Smith of Anglia Ruskin University (ARU) and Mr Petre Cristian Ilie, lead urologist of Queen Elizabeth Hospital King's Lynn NHS Foundation Trust, is published in the journal Aging Clinical and Experimental Research.

Previous observational studies have reported an association between low levels of vitamin D and susceptibility to acute respiratory tract infections. Vitamin D modulates the response of white blood cells, preventing them from releasing too many inflammatory cytokines. The COVID-19 virus is known to cause an excess of pro-inflammatory cytokines.

Italy and Spain have both experienced high COVID-19 mortality rates, and the new study shows that both countries have lower average vitamin D levels than most northern European countries. This is partly because people in southern Europe, particularly the elderly, avoid strong sun, while skin pigmentation also reduces natural vitamin D synthesis.

The highest average levels of vitamin D are found in northern Europe, due to the consumption of cod liver oil and vitamin D supplements, and possibly less sun avoidance. Scandinavian nations are among the countries with the lowest number of COVID-19 cases and mortality rates per head of population in Europe.

Dr Lee Smith, Reader in Physical Activity and Public Health at Anglia Ruskin University, said: "We found a significant crude relationship between average vitamin D levels and the number COVID-19 cases, and particularly COVID-19 mortality rates, per head of population across the 20 European countries.

"Vitamin D has been shown to protect against acute respiratory infections, and older adults, the group most deficient in vitamin D, are also the ones most seriously affected by COVID-19.

"A previous study found that 75% of people in institutions, such as hospitals and care homes, were severely deficient in vitamin D. We suggest it would be advisable to perform dedicated studies looking at vitamin D levels in COVID-19 patients with different degrees of disease severity."

Mr Petre Cristian Ilie, lead urologist of Queen Elizabeth Hospital King's Lynn NHS Foundation Trust, said: "Our study does have limitations however, not least because the number of cases in each country is affected by the number of tests performed, as well as the different measures taken by each country to prevent the spread of infection. Finally, and importantly, one must remember correlation does not necessarily mean causation."
 
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Here's one you'll see on Fox soon (don't watch it myself), it seems HCQ (Hydroxychloroquine) might be of some use yet! There is a new NIH study and 40 current international studies underway. It might not be popular in some circles and considered dangerous when used on certain patient populations, but the jury is still out in scientific terms, this article illustrates this point.

I think HCQ + zinc will be rapidly superseded by better therapeutic agents myself (at least in developed countries), but it seems to have a positive effect on those in the earlier stages of illness when combined with zinc supplementation, but not those on ventilators.

There are lot's of studies showing HCQ has no effect on outcomes, none however involved the addition of zinc supplements, HCQ is a zinc ionophore and helps zinc get inside cells, where it may interfere with viral replication.
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Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin plus zinc vs hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin alone: outcomes in hospitalized COVID-19 patients

Conclusion: This study provides the first in vivo evidence that zinc sulfate in
combination with hydroxychloroquine may play a role in therapeutic management for
COVID-19.

See the last page of the study for details on outcomes
 
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Autopsies reveal: Coronavirus is more than a lung infection | COVID-19 Special

Coronavirus is more than just a lung infection. From the first known instance of Covid-19 nearly half a year ago in the Chinese city of Wuhan medical scientists are still learning all the ways the virus can cause harm. A research team at New York's Irving Medical Center says it has never seen so many extreme, abnormal cases. In a new study, scientists say that thromboses and pulmonary embolisms were frequently found in the deceased, something intensive care medics have already suspected. Intensive care medics from China, North America, and Europe are seeing more and more thromboses caused by blood clots. These blood clots are not just dangerous for a patient's limbs. They can break away and affect the lungs, the heart, or the brain in the form of pulmonary embolisms, heart attacks, or strokes.
 
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I think regular testing might work better, someone might have a milkbone in their pocket! Maybe the doggie can pre screen for testing by "other" means, if it worked, it might be useful at the entrance of the subways or something, ya'd need a lot of dogs though. Someday ya might have to walk the "dog line" in airports, one for coronavirus, one for explosives and one for drugs!
 
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DIY-HP-LED said:
Here's one you'll see on Fox soon (don't watch it myself), it seems HCQ (Hydroxychloroquine) might be of some use yet! There is a new NIH study and 40 current international studies underway. It might not be popular in some circles and considered dangerous when used on certain patient populations, but the jury is still out in scientific terms, this article illustrates this point.

I think HCQ + zinc will be rapidly superseded by better therapeutic agents myself (at least in developed countries), but it seems to have a positive effect on those in the earlier stages of illness when combined with zinc supplementation, but not those on ventilators.

There are lot's of studies showing HCQ has no effect on outcomes, none however involved the addition of zinc supplements, HCQ is a zinc ionophore and helps zinc get inside cells, where it may interfere with viral replication.
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Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin plus zinc vs hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin alone: outcomes in hospitalized COVID-19 patients

Conclusion: This study provides the first in vivo evidence that zinc sulfate in
combination with hydroxychloroquine may play a role in therapeutic management for
COVID-19.

See the last page of the study for details on outcomes
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What about the health benefits of Hunney? I seen somthing about that for bilding munity by eating huney.
 
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What about the health benefits of Hunney? I seen somthing about that for bilding munity by eating huney.
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I just call em as they come across the plate, I did a quick google news search and found a split between recent HCQ study reports based on ideological lines. Breitbart was covering it along with some right wing sites, surprisingly Fox has not paid much attention to it. As far as I'm concerned the jury is still out on HCQ. I posted the original pre print paper, it is not peer reviewed and is a small scale observational trial. I was surprised that nobody tried with it zinc though, since that is the principal hypothesis.

Science is different than the "art" of medicine and doctors are allowed to use it, now they will most likely use zinc supplementation with it based on this work and more to come. A look at the patient outcomes for those not on ventilators will encourage further research I'm sure, is it politicised, oh yeah! The science minded will wait for the randomised placebo trials to provide answers before getting too far ahead of their skies, the doctors usually don't wait that long if it seems to work when nothing else does.

Donald got burned on HCQ, doesn't understand any of this and apparently has lost interest in treatments, moving on to opening up and hiding deaths.
 
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DIY-HP-LED said:
I just call em as they come across the plate, I did a quick google news search and found a split between recent HCQ study reports based on ideological lines. Breitbart was covering it along with some right wing sites, surprisingly Fox has not paid much attention to it. As far as I'm concerned the jury is still out on HCQ. I posted the original pre print paper, it is not peer reviewed and is a small scale observational trial. I was surprised that nobody tried it with it zinc though, since that is the principal hypothesis.

Science is different than the "art" of medicine and doctors are allowed to use it, now they will most likely use zinc supplementation with it based on this work and more to come. A look at the patient outcomes for those not on ventilators will encourage further research I'm sure, is it politicised, oh yeah! The science minded will wait for the randomised placebo trials to provide answers before getting too far ahead of their skies, the doctors usually don't wait that long if it seems to work when nothing else does.

Donald got burned on HCQ, doesn't understand any of this and apparently has lost interest in treatments, moving on to opening up and hiding deaths.
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Honey has many properties that make it superior to HCQ. I totally agree that everybody should take anything that might help.
 
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Honey has many properties that make it superior to HCQ. I totally agree that everybody should take anything that might help.
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I usually let doctors and scientists make the calls, the doctors are the ones who have to tell the relatives, so they are less dispassionate than the science types. Follow the data foggy and the data ain't in yet, if it helps and the zinc HCQ combo works as indicated in the study, certain patient cohorts may be placed on it as a standard treatment until something else comes along, it's not our call, we're just the pundits. Peers can only be critical of peers in such endeavors and the rest of us are along for the ride for the most part. The data tells the tale in the end, all truth is statistical in this business.
 
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I usually let doctors and scientists make the calls, the doctors are the ones who have to tell the relatives, so they are less dispassionate than the science types. Follow the data foggy and the data ain't in yet, if it helps and the zinc HCQ combo works as indicated in the study, certain patient cohorts may be placed on it as a standard treatment until something else comes along, it's not our call, we're just the pundits. Peers can only be critical of peers in such endeavors and the rest of us are along for the ride for the most part. The data tells the tale in the end, all truth is statistical in this business.
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Oh but you do go on about this shit. I mean, we are at eleven pages of your testifying for the effectiveness of all kinds of folk medicines. All I want is to tout one, so I hope I'm not crowding you on this.

Efficacy of Natural Honey Treatment in Patients With Novel Coronavirus

Brief Summary:
The novel coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS CoV-2) has been discovered recently in December 2019 from wuhan city in China to spread in more than 40 countries allover the world. This disease has gain the attention of all nations after it has been stated as a pandemic by the World Health Organization (WHO) in March 12, 2020. Currently no treatment has been proved to be efficient in the treatment of infected patients by COVID-19. Natural honey has been demonstrated as potent antimicrobial in many research investigations and has been considered a good alternative for antiviral drugs for the treatment of some viral infections. The investigators aim to study the efficacy of natural honey in the treatment of COVID-19 patients in this randomized , multicenter, controlled trial, comparing honey in one arm to standard care in the other arm.

I usually let doctors and scientists make the calls. Follow the data DIY.
 
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DIY-HP-LED said:
www.sciencedaily.com

Vitamin D linked to low virus death rate, study finds

A new study has found an association between low average levels of vitamin D and high numbers of COVID-19 cases and mortality rates across 20 European countries.
www.sciencedaily.com

Vitamin D linked to low virus death rate, study finds
New COVID-19 research finds relationship in data from 20 European countries

Summary:A new study has found an association between low average levels of vitamin D and high numbers of COVID-19 cases and mortality rates across 20 European countries.

A new study has found an association between low average levels of vitamin D and high numbers of COVID-19 cases and mortality rates across 20 European countries.

The research, led by Dr Lee Smith of Anglia Ruskin University (ARU) and Mr Petre Cristian Ilie, lead urologist of Queen Elizabeth Hospital King's Lynn NHS Foundation Trust, is published in the journal Aging Clinical and Experimental Research.

Previous observational studies have reported an association between low levels of vitamin D and susceptibility to acute respiratory tract infections. Vitamin D modulates the response of white blood cells, preventing them from releasing too many inflammatory cytokines. The COVID-19 virus is known to cause an excess of pro-inflammatory cytokines.

Italy and Spain have both experienced high COVID-19 mortality rates, and the new study shows that both countries have lower average vitamin D levels than most northern European countries. This is partly because people in southern Europe, particularly the elderly, avoid strong sun, while skin pigmentation also reduces natural vitamin D synthesis.

The highest average levels of vitamin D are found in northern Europe, due to the consumption of cod liver oil and vitamin D supplements, and possibly less sun avoidance. Scandinavian nations are among the countries with the lowest number of COVID-19 cases and mortality rates per head of population in Europe.

Dr Lee Smith, Reader in Physical Activity and Public Health at Anglia Ruskin University, said: "We found a significant crude relationship between average vitamin D levels and the number COVID-19 cases, and particularly COVID-19 mortality rates, per head of population across the 20 European countries.

"Vitamin D has been shown to protect against acute respiratory infections, and older adults, the group most deficient in vitamin D, are also the ones most seriously affected by COVID-19.

"A previous study found that 75% of people in institutions, such as hospitals and care homes, were severely deficient in vitamin D. We suggest it would be advisable to perform dedicated studies looking at vitamin D levels in COVID-19 patients with different degrees of disease severity."

Mr Petre Cristian Ilie, lead urologist of Queen Elizabeth Hospital King's Lynn NHS Foundation Trust, said: "Our study does have limitations however, not least because the number of cases in each country is affected by the number of tests performed, as well as the different measures taken by each country to prevent the spread of infection. Finally, and importantly, one must remember correlation does not necessarily mean causation."
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I think people should consider honey as a means of avoiding covid

Can Manuka Honey stop me getting a virus?

Honey has been used for centuries as a medicinal product as well as a food. New Zealand Manuka Honey is one of the most active medicinal honeys. Manuka Honey contains Methylglyoxal (MG/MGO). At certain concentrations MGO can restrict bacterial growth and help reduce inflammation. Manuka Honey also contains other compounds and enzymes that can help protect from viruses and boost our immune system to resist them.

Viruses you might have heard of include:

  • The common cold
  • Flu (influenza)
  • Measles
  • Chicken pox
  • Shingles
  • Cold sores
  • Epstein-Barr (Glandular fever)
  • Ebola
  • SARS, Avian flu and now the COVID-19 coronavirus.
I mean, here it all is with a link and everything. I don't know if its true, I'll let the doctors decide. I'm just letting everybody know that they have options. It helps with cold sores too.

manukahoneyofnz.com

Can Manuka Honey Stop Me Getting A Virus?

Manuka Honey has been trusted for centuries by healers all over the world. At a time when we receive a lot of mixed messaging, find out what we think about Manuka Honeys health benefits.
manukahoneyofnz.com manukahoneyofnz.com
 
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Oh but you do go on about this shit. I mean, we are at eleven pages of your testifying for the effectiveness of all kinds of folk medicines. All I want is to tout one, so I hope I'm not crowding you on this.

Efficacy of Natural Honey Treatment in Patients With Novel Coronavirus

Brief Summary:
The novel coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS CoV-2) has been discovered recently in December 2019 from wuhan city in China to spread in more than 40 countries allover the world. This disease has gain the attention of all nations after it has been stated as a pandemic by the World Health Organization (WHO) in March 12, 2020. Currently no treatment has been proved to be efficient in the treatment of infected patients by COVID-19. Natural honey has been demonstrated as potent antimicrobial in many research investigations and has been considered a good alternative for antiviral drugs for the treatment of some viral infections. The investigators aim to study the efficacy of natural honey in the treatment of COVID-19 patients in this randomized , multicenter, controlled trial, comparing honey in one arm to standard care in the other arm.

I usually let doctors and scientists make the calls. Follow the data DIY.
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No problem I'd just copy and paste any salient information to a new thread, the science is moving fast on this topic, I'm trying to stick to more conventional therapies on this thread, ones likely to have an impact on mortality rates and thus public policy. I can tolerate a wide variety of viewpoints, how about you? A folk remedies thread might be the best place for this stuff though, it's unlikely to impact public policy or mortality rates from Covid -19.
 
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imho. First truth as far as I know (from speaking to medical professors) - the real medical community are still collating information, so many things are still speculative. And thats not getting into the arguments (blame game, different ways countries do things, bad infrastructures etc etc etc) behind the scenes. This is all I gather ...

Good Attack Plan: *trying my best not to go into Howard Hughes territory* ;-)
With any Virus breaking the chain of transferal is key, so:
Learn to only cough into your folded (over your mouth) elbow (with clothing covering, a plus). Train out the instinct to cough into your hand.
This one action, if done by the worlds population, would have a radical impact on the transfer of so many things.
It would short circuit things at a fundamental level, believe it or not. Start teaching your kids, the moment they leave the hospital after birth :)

Social distancing and masks do have a positive effect. Especially distancing low and high risk groups from one another.
But, we know they can easily be compromised (and the fact CV-19 survives on surfaces for a number of hours, compromises are heightened).

Washing hands, sanitising sprays, not touching your face. These also help. Antimicrobial hand washes are the best, BUT really only for emergency/high risk groups (too much use, by the population at large, would not be good ..for any of us). Low risk groups should stick with antibacterial hand washes, alcohol based sprays.

We do now have a reliable test to see if a person has had CV-19. In countries like the UK it is only available to the public (at the moment) by paying £350, I believe. However, it is still unknown if CV-19 can be caught a second time (bear in mind, it can leave you with damage from the first time). So, the results of testing positive may not exclude you from catching it again (and changes in CV-19 as it migrates, also is a possibility). More information/research is needed.

One other plan of attack would be Herd Immunity (i.e. once a population are 60% immune, a Virus can't really proceed/spread).
Along the lines of using low risk groups like healthy teens. Really, to be super safe, this would be done by sending kids to stay full-time at universities (and not return home to older age groups in that time) while they all build an immunity through close contact. Too radical, but always an option if a more virulent form appears.

Groups that should be more concerned:
Given, in low risk groups especially, the symptoms can be 'mild' (i.e. you don't have to be admitted to hospital/oxygen tent etc, but can 'ride it out' at home with supervision). As far as I know, these are the highest risk groups for harsh symptoms / hospital stay / fatality -
The Elderly and infirmed (when are they not), people with diabetes, asthma, any lung related issues really (including smokers). Due to the lungs being targeted.

General higher risk groups also include - people on life medications (due to multiple reasons).

One interesting thing to note.
Another group (this is more 'general' as it pertains to any Virus really) people with less complex immune systems seem to be at a higher risk. Again, the jury is still out on this (as many countries don't have good infrastructures). But, there does seem to be a correlation at the moment. Basically, people who are (genetically speaking) more mixed race have a better immunity to Viruses (including CV-19). This group seem to have deeper immune systems (a combination immune system, if you will).
This would make sense and connect with human history, as a big part of the human species building its immune system was intermixing different groups who had come in contact with different viruses, diseases etc.
This doesn't mean they are safe, it just puts them in a lower risk group.


I hope I haven't overstepped any bounds.
Peace.
 
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Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
No problem I'd just copy and paste any salient information to a new thread, the science is moving fast on this topic, I'm trying to stick to more conventional therapies on this thread, ones likely to have an impact on mortality rates and thus public policy. I can tolerate a wide variety of viewpoints, how about you? A folk remedies thread might be the best place for this stuff though, it's unlikely to impact public policy or mortality rates from Covid -19.
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Everything I've read from you on the subject fits "folk remedy" better than anything a doctor would say to a patient. All that's needed is a "study" and a shingle that implies post graduate study on a sciency subject.

So, yeah, honey. Honey looks like a great thing to do. Lots of papers on the subject. It's good for shingles too!!! (not the shingle that I mentioned above but shingles as in what old people get)
 
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Puff_Dragon said:
imho. First truth as far as I know (from speaking to medical professors) - the real medical community are still collating information, so many things are still speculative. And thats not getting into the arguments (blame game, different ways countries do things, bad infrastructures etc etc etc) behind the scenes. This is all I gather ...

Good Attack Plan: *trying my best not to go into Howard Hughes territory* ;-)
With any Virus breaking the chain of transferal is key, so:
Learn to only cough into your folded (over your mouth) elbow (with clothing covering, a plus). Train out the instinct to cough into your hand.
This one action, if done by the worlds population, would have a radical impact on the transfer of so many things.
It would short circuit things at a fundamental level, believe it or not. Start teaching your kids, the moment they leave the hospital after birth :)

Social distancing and masks do have a positive effect. But, they can easily be compromised (and the fact CV-19 survives on surfaces for a number of hours, compromises are heightened).

Washing hands, sanitising sprays, not touching your face. These also help. Antimicrobial hand washes are the best, BUT really only for emergency/high risk groups (too much use, by the population at large, would not be good ..for any of us). Low risk groups should stick with antibacterial hand washes, alcohol based sprays.

We do now have a reliable test to see if a person has had CV-19. In countries like the UK it is only available to the public (at the moment) by paying £350, I believe. However, it is still unknown if CV-19 can be caught a second time (bear in mind, it can leave you with damage from the first time). So, the results of testing positive may not exclude you from catching it again (and changes in CV-19 as it migrates, also is a possibility). More information/research is needed.

One other plan of attack would be Herd Immunity (i.e. once a population are 60% immune, a Virus can't really proceed/spread).
Along the lines of using low risk groups like healthy teens. Really, to be super safe, this would be done by sending kids to stay full-time at universities (and not return home to older age groups in that time) while they all build an immunity through close contact. Too radical, but always an option if a more virulent form appears.

Groups that should be more concerned:
Given, in low risk groups especially, the symptoms can be 'mild' (i.e. you don't have to be admitted to hospital/oxygen tent etc, but can 'ride it out' at home with supervision). As far as I know, these are the highest risk groups for harsh symptoms / hospital stay / fatality -
The Elderly and infirmed (when are they not), people with diabetes, asthma, any lung related issues really (including smokers). Due to the lungs being targeted.

General higher risk groups also include - people on life medications (due to multiple reasons).

One interesting thing to note.
Another group (this is more 'general' as it pertains to any Virus really) people with less complex immune systems seem to be at a higher risk. Again, the jury is still out on this (as many countries don't have good infrastructures). But, there does seem to be a correlation at the moment. Basically, people who are (genetically speaking) more mixed race have a better immunity to Viruses (including CV-19). This group seem to have deeper immune systems (a combination immune system, if you will).
This would make sense and connect with human history, as a big part of the human species building its immune system was intermixing different groups who had come in contact with different viruses, diseases etc.
This doesn't mean they are safe, it just puts them in a lower risk group.


I hope I haven't overstepped any bounds.
Peace.
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now, that 's not any fun.

Other people who post here prefer folk medicine over practical advice that has been proven to work.
 
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Fogdog said:
Everything I've read from you on the subject fits "folk remedy" better than anything a doctor would say to a patient. All that's needed is a "study" and a shingle that implies post graduate study on a sciency subject.

So, yeah, honey. Honey looks like a great thing to do. Lots of papers on the subject. It's good for shingles too!!! (not the shingle that I mentioned above but shingles as in what old people get)
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Gee they don't look like post grads to me... looks like a pretty legit place to me with highly qualified people... Isn't that what science deniers do? Cast aspersions on legitimate researchers.


Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin plus zinc vs hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin alone: outcomes in hospitalized COVID-19 patients

Philip M. Carlucci1 , Tania Ahuja2 , Christopher Petrilli1,3, Harish Rajagopalan3 , Simon Jones4.5, Joseph Rahimian1 1 New York University Grossman School of Medicine, Department of Medicine, New York, NY 2 New York University Langone Health, Department of Pharmacy, New York, NY 3 NYU Langone Health, New York, NY 4 Division of Healthcare Delivery Science, Department of Population Health, NYU Grossman School of Medicine, New York, NY 5 Center for Healthcare Innovation and Delivery Science, NYU Langone Health, New York, NY 6 Division of Infectious Diseases and Immunology, Department of Medicine, NYU Grossman School of Medicine, New York, NY Corresponding author: Joseph Rahimian, MD NYU Grossman School of Medicine, Department of Medicine 31 Washington Square West, Floor number 4 New York, NY 10011 [email protected] (212) 465-8834

It is made available under a CC-BY-NC 4.0 International license . (which was not certified by peer review) is the author/funder, who has granted medRxiv a license to display the preprint in perpetuity. medRxiv preprint doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036.this version posted May 8, 2020. The copyright holder for this preprint 1 Key words: COVID-19, Hydroxychloroquine, Azithromycin, Zinc, Mortality Running head: Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin plus Zinc 40-word summary: Zinc sulfate added to hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin may improve outcomes among hospitalized patients.
 
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Puff_Dragon said:
imho. First truth as far as I know (from speaking to medical professors) - the real medical community are still collating information, so many things are still speculative. And thats not getting into the arguments (blame game, different ways countries do things, bad infrastructures etc etc etc) behind the scenes. This is all I gather ...

Good Attack Plan: *trying my best not to go into Howard Hughes territory* ;-)
With any Virus breaking the chain of transferal is key, so:
Learn to only cough into your folded (over your mouth) elbow (with clothing covering, a plus). Train out the instinct to cough into your hand.
This one action, if done by the worlds population, would have a radical impact on the transfer of so many things.
It would short circuit things at a fundamental level, believe it or not. Start teaching your kids, the moment they leave the hospital after birth :)

Social distancing and masks do have a positive effect. Especially distancing low and high risk groups from one another.
But, we know they can easily be compromised (and the fact CV-19 survives on surfaces for a number of hours, compromises are heightened).

Washing hands, sanitising sprays, not touching your face. These also help. Antimicrobial hand washes are the best, BUT really only for emergency/high risk groups (too much use, by the population at large, would not be good ..for any of us). Low risk groups should stick with antibacterial hand washes, alcohol based sprays.

We do now have a reliable test to see if a person has had CV-19. In countries like the UK it is only available to the public (at the moment) by paying £350, I believe. However, it is still unknown if CV-19 can be caught a second time (bear in mind, it can leave you with damage from the first time). So, the results of testing positive may not exclude you from catching it again (and changes in CV-19 as it migrates, also is a possibility). More information/research is needed.

One other plan of attack would be Herd Immunity (i.e. once a population are 60% immune, a Virus can't really proceed/spread).
Along the lines of using low risk groups like healthy teens. Really, to be super safe, this would be done by sending kids to stay full-time at universities (and not return home to older age groups in that time) while they all build an immunity through close contact. Too radical, but always an option if a more virulent form appears.

Groups that should be more concerned:
Given, in low risk groups especially, the symptoms can be 'mild' (i.e. you don't have to be admitted to hospital/oxygen tent etc, but can 'ride it out' at home with supervision). As far as I know, these are the highest risk groups for harsh symptoms / hospital stay / fatality -
The Elderly and infirmed (when are they not), people with diabetes, asthma, any lung related issues really (including smokers). Due to the lungs being targeted.

General higher risk groups also include - people on life medications (due to multiple reasons).

One interesting thing to note.
Another group (this is more 'general' as it pertains to any Virus really) people with less complex immune systems seem to be at a higher risk. Again, the jury is still out on this (as many countries don't have good infrastructures). But, there does seem to be a correlation at the moment. Basically, people who are (genetically speaking) more mixed race have a better immunity to Viruses (including CV-19). This group seem to have deeper immune systems (a combination immune system, if you will).
This would make sense and connect with human history, as a big part of the human species building its immune system was intermixing different groups who had come in contact with different viruses, diseases etc.
This doesn't mean they are safe, it just puts them in a lower risk group.


I hope I haven't overstepped any bounds.
Peace.
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Hi Puff welcome aboard.
 
Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Gee they don't look like post grads to me... looks like a pretty legit place to me with highly qualified people... Isn't that what science deniers do? Cast aspersions on legitimate researchers.


Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin plus zinc vs hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin alone: outcomes in hospitalized COVID-19 patients

Philip M. Carlucci1 , Tania Ahuja2 , Christopher Petrilli1,3, Harish Rajagopalan3 , Simon Jones4.5, Joseph Rahimian1 1 New York University Grossman School of Medicine, Department of Medicine, New York, NY 2 New York University Langone Health, Department of Pharmacy, New York, NY 3 NYU Langone Health, New York, NY 4 Division of Healthcare Delivery Science, Department of Population Health, NYU Grossman School of Medicine, New York, NY 5 Center for Healthcare Innovation and Delivery Science, NYU Langone Health, New York, NY 6 Division of Infectious Diseases and Immunology, Department of Medicine, NYU Grossman School of Medicine, New York, NY Corresponding author: Joseph Rahimian, MD NYU Grossman School of Medicine, Department of Medicine 31 Washington Square West, Floor number 4 New York, NY 10011 [email protected] (212) 465-8834

It is made available under a CC-BY-NC 4.0 International license . (which was not certified by peer review) is the author/funder, who has granted medRxiv a license to display the preprint in perpetuity. medRxiv preprint doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036.this version posted May 8, 2020. The copyright holder for this preprint 1 Key words: COVID-19, Hydroxychloroquine, Azithromycin, Zinc, Mortality Running head: Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin plus Zinc 40-word summary: Zinc sulfate added to hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin may improve outcomes among hospitalized patients.
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I hear that selenium is good too.
 
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