Countryfarmer's outdoor grow

Uncle Ben, I don't have an indoor grow op at the moment, but I did decide to put out some more plants to take the place of the one plant that died of water stress and the two the wind took out.

I planted nine seedlings in one gallon pots. I filled the pots about a third of the way up with a 70/30 soil/peat mix and planted the seeds directly with no germinating. I have not checked on them, but as of today most should have broken ground. I plan on letting them stay in the pots the entire time and filling them to within an inch of the lip with additional soil as the seedlings grow. At that point I will have the pots buried halfway in the ground. The pots have nice sized openings along the bottom and I plan on cutting some additional holes for the roots along the sides of the pots near the bottom.

Anything you can think of that I should do to help these late season plants grow to at least two feet before flowering? I know I am pushing the envelope on this as far as time goes, but I figured a couple of two foot plants in each of the open areas in my grow site would be better than nothing.

Countryfarmer said:

Uncle Ben, I don't have an indoor grow op at the moment, but I did decide to put out some more plants to take the place of the one plant that died of water stress and the two the wind took out.

I planted nine seedlings in one gallon pots. I filled the pots about a third of the way up with a 70/30 soil/peat mix and planted the seeds directly with no germinating. I have not checked on them, but as of today most should have broken ground. I plan on letting them stay in the pots the entire time and filling them to within an inch of the lip with additional soil as the seedlings grow. At that point I will have the pots buried halfway in the ground. The pots have nice sized openings along the bottom and I plan on cutting some additional holes for the roots along the sides of the pots near the bottom.

Anything you can think of that I should do to help these late season plants grow to at least two feet before flowering? I know I am pushing the envelope on this as far as time goes, but I figured a couple of two foot plants in each of the open areas in my grow site would be better than nothing.

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Sounds like you got it covered, literally. You just saved yourself alot of time, vigor and grief by sowing the seeds directly. The practice of germinating in a paper towel is not smart.

I also plant deep, but usually wait until I upcan or plant in the ground, most times yanking off the lower leafsets too, backfilling up to the lower leafsets left intact. I would have gone at least 1/2 full on the soil in the pot, maybe more. Until your trunks have lignified a bit, you risk damp-off rot and loss of the seedling. Backfill with only quality sanitized soil and wait until you have about 5 nodes or when the trunk gets a bit stronger before topping off the pot with soil, not while it's light green and weak and subject to soil borne rots like pythium. The submerged trunk will put off roots along the trunk and increase vigor and production.

As long as you have 4 drain holes, the roots will find native soil. I just destroyed one 3 gallon pot that was sitting on the ground for about 3 weeks. Roots had already gone down.

You can push your plants with a high N food, just don't overdo it, or use blood meal in your mix. One "aw shit" will really set you back. Go easy until you find a level that gets results without stress or burn to the plant. I'm using a 10 month slow release, encapsulated food like Osmocote that is a 18-5-9 with micros and the plant is flowering. So far so good unless I forget to water it, which is pretty often now as I'm busy as hell in my personal life. Water stress is resulting in a loss of a few leaves now and then.

Your seedlings should be getting full sun now, IF, you exposed them to such when they popped the soil which you should have.

Good luck!

Yeh, I don't germinate because I like to keep it simple. Seeds grow just fine when planted in the ground and I am not doing a commercial op, so I am not concerned with picking the absolute strongest of seedlings (even then, just like how the runt of a litter of pups can turn out to be the best I don't think the process of germinating really gives you an edge in picking out the strongest producing plants).

I can always transplant the seedlings into a 3 gallon pot and fix the soil depth in the pot. Matter of fact, that is probably what I will do based on your recommendation. As to quality soil, I have a mix of Miracle Grow organic soil, Miracle Grow peat moss, cow manure and mushroom compost already mixed up on site. While not the best of soils, it has done pretty well for the rest of my plants, and the good part about it is it is already paid for, lol.

I plan on hitting the seedlings with a manure tea since it is weak enough to use on small plants without killing them. Once they hit the one foot mark I can start adding a quarter strength soluble non-burning commercial fertilizer (again Miracle Grow). Hard learned trial and error has already shown me that the plants can start taking this commercial fertilizer at that level when about a foot high. The ground already has a mix of 10-10-10 and slow release non-burning fertilizer that I have worked into the grow site.

As to sunlight, they are in a nice spot right now and by the end of the week if the damaged plants have not recovered (which I do not think they will, but hey we can always wish upon a star, right?) .... at that point I will move the transplanted 3 gallon pots into those sites, and they are premium sunlight spots.

Thanks once again for taking the time out to pop into my grow thread and give me your insight. As always, you are a class act and I really do appreciate you sharing your knowledge.

Thanks for the tip. I am already in a rural farming area and just need to find the perfect spot.

I don't germinate seeds myself. I plant them in soil, and after they come up they always show themselves for what they are. They all get an equal opportunity and amount of care as all the others. I don't typically "throw out" plants either, based on how they look/grow. If Im not particularly impressed by what I am seeing in veg, I throw them strait into flower..... here is a perfect example of all that. Started with simple CFL and Fluorescent lighting, then I moved em under MH, and finally HPS.

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/227660-theloadeddragons-perpetually-growing-perpetual-grow.html

Went and checked on my plants this morning as we had another decent storm front with high winds move through and I wanted to see how my staking/tying worked. Well, it worked beautifully. Except for one plant losing a stem, all of the plants survived quite well.

Actually, the oldest are now in flowering mode. Already have some buds growing that are the length of the last digit of my little finger. Very nice!

Sounds good, I just read through your thread cant wait to see the turn out.

Ok, a few more pictures to show how the growth is going. For reference, the stakes are all 5' in length and are about 6" or so in the ground.

Well, the blurry fourth pic was an attempt to show the budding of that plant. I'll try to get a clear pic on my next visit.

I think they would benefit from getting more "solid" daylight. Other than that, looks good

I've been reading your journal for a few days now countryfarmer and I'm sub'd. I am also located in Georgia and was wondering what area you are in? Nothing specific but like Northeast, South-central, etc. If you don't want to tell it's no problem. I'm in a rural area east of Atlanta and have just started my clones outside. I hope I've got them out there for long enough to get some decent yields. Good luck with your grow man and don't kill all those blackberries. They're too delicious!

Thanks for popping in TLD. Nothing I can really do about the sun exposure at this point; and to be honest as anxiety ridden as I have been over this outdoor grow, I will probably move indoors going forward. With Georgia's mandatory minimum sentencing, anyone growing outdoors in this state is just taking a huge risk of signing over a significant portion of their lives to the state penitentiary system. Not saying there are not risks to indoor growing, but at least it will give me far more control over security.

Hey Jig, for the reason listed above I would rather not say what area of Georgia I am growing in, even in general. Depending on the site you have picked out and its particulars (soil mix, sun, water, etc) your plants should get a couple of good months of growth, maybe more. Our first frost isn't typically until middle or late October.

Pictures of the budding sites on the plants that have shown sex.

from what i see yes,pic 1,4,5,7,8,10,and 11 are males get them gone ASAP. pic 3,6,and 9 what them more. looks like females but just watch them due to all them males,, good luck

Countryfarmer said:

Pictures of the budding sites on the plants that have shown sex.

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No shortage of pollen in your neighborhood.

Unless you want seeds, lose the boys, immediately.

You can make butter from the male buds if you want. It won't be super strong, but I hate to waste THC.

pic 5 looks female, save her quick or she gonna get pollinated by the massive amount of flowering males you have, until now i haven't had a chance to see such clean fresh pics of males, i would transplant those males and use them to pollinate/breed. what did u do to turn them male and are they seeds/what company?

i know not to get big bud they send u a pack of males.

Well I am absolutely sick to my stomach. All this time, effort, MONEY ... wasted. Most of the plants I have at the site are males. I was hoping that someone would say "naw man, you are just fine, Big Bud grows likes that", but I knew better.

Well, the company that sent me these "feminized" seeds is amsterdammarijuanaseeds.com.

I guess I will head out to the site and chop down the known males (which is every plant that has shown sex) and wish upon a star that some of the remaining plants (all much smaller) will somehow turn out to be female.

Just sick.

Got your message country farmer. Yes im sorry to see the big nanners youve got. Like a poster above said get em out quickly. Your still running a high chance of having your females seeded. Like you said in your pm to me that you think you got seeds pods growing. All females will have a seed pod. Its when the pistil dies and receeds into the calyx way before the bud is ripe that you will notice that your growing seed and not buds swelling with thc. Ive had it happen to me before and it pissed me off like you wouldnt believe. My entire crop got seeded last winter indoors by a hermie. Just note that once seed production begins bud production stops as the plant has been pollinated and all its energy will be put into producing seed. On the bright side you could let them be and youll have a gazillion seeds for future grows. I would recommend starting with clones from a mother of known sex. This eliminates the not knowing factor. Feminized seeds aint always female. Chin up bro. 1BMM

Thanks for all the responses guys. I went to my site and carefully chopped all the known males, which was a little over half my grow site, and (of course) the largest plants. I only have two of the so-called feminized seeds left growing and I believe both are male, but will wait a bit longer to make sure. That will leave me with six stunted plants I planted late in the season, all from bagseed and none of which have shown sex yet.

I'm really, really pissed off. The amount of time, effort and money that went into this grow just makes me mad when I think about it. As you can read from this thread, I carried a little over a ton of soil, equipment, fertilizer and water to the grow site, going so far as to give myself heat exhaustion one day (was at the point where my muscles were cramping up and I had stopped sweating - not good).

Anyway, I am right now making some cannabutter from the huge ass trash bag full of male plants and planning my indoor grow. I had hoped for this outdoor grow to pay for most of the expenses of my indoor grow, but I may have to wait until I get my tax return before making the most expensive purchases (lights and such).

Trying my best to shake off this right now.