Covid stimulus, 600 hundred bucks but now it's a felony to download Torrents or stream pirated tv. Oh and vape carts and hardware can't be shipped

blu3bird

blu3bird

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Yeah you can't ship eliquid nicotine vape juice through USPS anymore. I got an email from a vendor in California (TBD liquids), that's how I know. I used to vape and that's where I've ordered from before and still get occasional email

They can still ship through UPS or FEDEX though

Kind of weird to put something like that in a Covid-19 stimulus bill, but either way I don't give a shit, I don't vape anyway

*edit - FEDEX won't ship vape products anymore apparently
 
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xtsho

xtsho

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Gemtree said:
It's only for profit streaming
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Stop with the facts.

Yes it's only targeted at streaming services that stream content they are not authorized to stream. Such as movies, sports, television shows, etc... for profit. There is nothing in the language that imposes any penalties for the end user receiving those illegal streams.

I actually don't have any issue with this. It's only for those that are streaming other entities work without permission for profit. The creators of content invest money in that content and they should be compensated by those using that content. It's somewhat similar to shutting down Napster years ago which was decimating the profits of musical artists as people were just downloading their music for free and not purchasing it.


(b) PROHIBITED ACT.—It shall be unlawful to willfully, and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain, offer or provide to the public a digital transmission service that—

(1) is primarily designed or provided for the purpose of publicly performing works protected under title 17 by means of a digital transmission without the authority of the copyright owner or the law;

(2) has no commercially significant purpose or use other than to publicly perform works protected under title 17 by means of a digital transmission without the authority of the copyright owner or the law; or

(3) is intentionally marketed by or at the direction of that person to promote its use in publicly performing works protected under title 17 by means of a digital transmission without the authority of the 19 copyright owner or the law.

 
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p0opstlnksal0t

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xtsho said:
Stop with the facts.

Yes it's only targeted at streaming services that stream content they are not authorized to stream. Such as movies, sports, television shows, etc... for profit. There is nothing in the language that imposes any penalties for the end user receiving those illegal streams.

I actually don't have any issue with this. It's only for those that are streaming other entities work without permission for profit. The creators of content invest money in that content and they should be compensated by those using that content. It's somewhat similar to shutting down Napster years ago which was decimating the profits of musical artists as people were just downloading their music for free and not purchasing it.


(b) PROHIBITED ACT.—It shall be unlawful to willfully, and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain, offer or provide to the public a digital transmission service that—

(1) is primarily designed or provided for the purpose of publicly performing works protected under title 17 by means of a digital transmission without the authority of the copyright owner or the law;

(2) has no commercially significant purpose or use other than to publicly perform works protected under title 17 by means of a digital transmission without the authority of the copyright owner or the law; or

(3) is intentionally marketed by or at the direction of that person to promote its use in publicly performing works protected under title 17 by means of a digital transmission without the authority of the 19 copyright owner or the law.

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That's good to know now that it's clarified.
 
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p0opstlnksal0t

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The House and Senate passed a large-scale spending bill 5 on Monday that includes a provision to restrict how electronic cigarettes can be sold online and shipped—and it could have an impact on the marijuana industry, too.
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The text of the proposal uses an expansive definition of what qualifies as an “electronic nicotine delivery system” that seems to include products that don’t even contain nicotine.
The term “means any electronic device that, through an aerosolized solution, delivers nicotine, flavor, or any other substance to the user inhaling from the device,” the legislation states (with italicized emphasis added).
It’s that last component that could be more broadly interpreted to prevent cannabis vaporizers from being purchased online and mailed by the U.S. Postal Service (USPS). Marijuana and its components such as THC and CBD presumably constitute “other substances,” even if they are not explicitly mentioned in the legislation."
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The legislation also mandates that an adult over 21 present his or her ID to the courier upon delivery and requires online retailers to comply with rigorous requirements such as registering with the U.S. attorney general, maintaining certain records for five years and presenting state tax administrators with lists of transactions with customers in their jurisdictions, according to Vaping360 1.
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Under the bill 1, USPS will be required to “promulgate regulations to clarify the applicability of the prohibition on mailing of cigarettes…to electronic nicotine delivery systems” within 120 days.
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p0opstlnksal0t

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blu3bird said:
Yeah you can't ship eliquid nicotine vape juice through USPS anymore. I got an email from a vendor in California (TBD liquids), that's how I know. I used to vape and that's where I've ordered from before and still get occasional email

They can still ship through UPS or FEDEX though

Kind of weird to put something like that in a Covid-19 stimulus bill, but either way I don't give a shit, I don't vape anyway

*edit - FEDEX won't ship vape products anymore apparently
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Online sellers can no longer sale or ship without jumping through some massive hoops now. Basically this is gonna shut down online sales of nicotine and nicotine vaping hardware. No more 1 to 2 dollar Chinese empty vape carts. At least That's how it looks based on the text of the bill.
 
Dr.Amber Trichome

Dr.Amber Trichome

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It’s the cheap ass fucking Republican that are ruining this country. $600 is not going to do much help. It wont even cover a months rent! The $300 extra for unemployment is decent. There has to be some serious talks about getting monthly rental payments for folks lower. That would really make sense and help people out and stimulate the economy.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Dr.Amber Trichome said:
It’s the cheap ass fucking Republican that are ruining this country. $600 is not going to do much help. It wont even cover a months rent! The $300 extra for unemployment is decent. There has to be some serious talks about getting monthly rental payments for folks lower. That would really make sense and help people out and stimulate the economy.
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But what about help for the property owners that haven't been paid rent in months but still have to make mortgage payments to the bank and pay for maintenance on their property? Many seem to forget about them. If you lower the rent for tenants who's going to make up the difference to the property owner?

This issue I have is that many people abused the rent moratorium and even if they were laid off most were receiving state unemployment and the $600 federal check as well for months but decided not use any of that money towards their rent and are now months behind. Some people were getting more income not working and didn't pay any rent because of the moratorium on evictions. They chose not to pay anything and now they are months behind when they didn't have to be. That federal $600 check should have been used towards rent.

I know of people that went on a spending spree while not paying rent because of the moratorium. I also have friends that are not wealthy by any means but have rental property and have not collected a dime in rent for months while still having to pay the bank.
 
Rurumo

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xtsho said:
But what about help for the property owners that haven't been paid rent in months but still have to make mortgage payments to the bank and pay for maintenance on their property? Many seem to forget about them. If you lower the rent for tenants who's going to make up the difference to the property owner?

This issue I have is that many people abused the rent moratorium and even if they were laid off most were receiving state unemployment and the $600 federal check as well for months but decided not use any of that money towards their rent and are now months behind. Some people were getting more income not working and didn't pay any rent because of the moratorium on evictions. They chose not to pay anything and now they are months behind when they didn't have to be. That federal $600 check should have been used towards rent.

I know of people that went on a spending spree while not paying rent because of the moratorium. I also have friends that are not wealthy by any means but have rental property and have not collected a dime in rent for months while still having to pay the bank.
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It should have been a federal moratorium on all rents and mortgages, I agree.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Rurumo said:
It should have been a federal moratorium on all rents and mortgages, I agree.
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It's really put many property owners in a bind. There are people that are going to be facing foreclosure on their properties because they can't get tenants into their properties that will pay the rent because they can't get those that haven't paid in months out. And even if they could get them out they're still out months of rent that they will likely never see. People that worked hard, did the right things, saved their money and spent wisely so they could invest in property are going to lose everything while others said nah nah nah. Eviction moratorium so you can't kick me out. All while spending the $600 checks and the other $1200 stimulus check on everything but the rent.

I'm not saying that's everyone but a good chunk of people just wasted all of the stimulus on buying things they didn't need. There are too many Americans that don't know how to manage their money. They could pay their bills but use their money for things they want not what they need.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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xtsho said:
It's really put many property owners in a bind. There are people that are going to be facing foreclosure on their properties because they can't get tenants into their properties that will pay the rent because they can't get those that haven't paid in months out. And even if they could get them out they're still out months of rent that they will likely never see. People that worked hard, did the right things, saved their money and spent wisely so they could invest in property are going to lose everything while others said nah nah nah. Eviction moratorium so you can't kick me out. All while spending the $600 checks and the other $1200 stimulus check on everything but the rent.

I'm not saying that's everyone but a good chunk of people just wasted all of the stimulus on buying things they didn't need. There are too many Americans that don't know how to manage their money. They could pay their bills but use their money for things they want not what they need.
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To be fair, it was likely to have gone to shit for those people who bought and rented those properties anyways.

It is not like all those people thinking they were living high on the hog in 2007 were not screwed during the last Republican led recession.

I do think it sucks that the government doesn't have some trigger during economic downturns to hold off on mortgages/rent/taxes of the middle class (and lower) during economic collapses.

But how else would the mega wealthy be able to vacuum up all those newly foreclosures?
 
Dr.Amber Trichome

Dr.Amber Trichome

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xtsho said:
But what about help for the property owners that haven't been paid rent in months but still have to make mortgage payments to the bank and pay for maintenance on their property? Many seem to forget about them. If you lower the rent for tenants who's going to make up the difference to the property owner?

This issue I have is that many people abused the rent moratorium and even if they were laid off most were receiving state unemployment and the $600 federal check as well for months but decided not use any of that money towards their rent and are now months behind. Some people were getting more income not working and didn't pay any rent because of the moratorium on evictions. They chose not to pay anything and now they are months behind when they didn't have to be. That federal $600 check should have been used towards rent.

I know of people that went on a spending spree while not paying rent because of the moratorium. I also have friends that are not wealthy by any means but have rental property and have not collected a dime in rent for months while still having to pay the bank.
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Ah stop your whining, those are the risks you take owning and renting out property. It’s payback time to all the fucking slum lords out there . Fuck them . If they gave a rats ass about their tenants they would talk to them and work out an amiable solution with rent reduction and evictions .
 
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