Cree LED bulbs (9W): Dissembled for a grow light

Kalashnikush

New Member
Hi this is my first post on this site. I recently started a small indoor project and wanted to share a little light rig I made for my plant. The idea came from various posts that I read on this site and this post:

https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/644336-leds-stripping-back-bs-vegging.html


and also: https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/656542-flowering-cree-bulbs.html

Basically Some growers on this site claimed that store-bought Cree LED light bulbs(9 Watt 5000 K, and 9.5 Watt 2700 K ) are sufficient to grow a plant from start to finish. Also by removing the glass bulb, the light intensity is supposed to increase (though I don't know how that might it effect the spectrum of the light). So I just gutted 2 Cree light bulbs, which were meant for the grow room and flattened their LED array, stuck it on the first cooling surface i could find, which happened to be a CPU heat sink. I figured that since the manufacturers of this bulb didn't use any thermal compound for the LED and its metal contact assembly, I shouldn't be a stickler about that stuff either, so I just used super glue.
20130817_151055.jpgMK I Back.jpgMK I 0.01.jpg

That is supposed to be the blooming side light for my, as of now, a 15 day old plant. It is made of 2 LED strips from a Cree (9.5 Watt 2700 k). This should at least in theory be more efficient then the stock omni -directional bulbs, since all the LEDs are facing the same way less light scatter should happen. Since I only have this one bloom light, Figured in the future I could stick it to a wall vertically and start some sort of a rig to spin the plant slowly around it, a La Rotisserie.

A rather lethargic, slow and quiet pc fan was enough to cool the entire thing to almost room temperature. If nothing else this little strip looks like a little sun when its on.
MK I 1.01.jpg MK I.jpg

As for the "ballast" portion of the LED bulbs, I put them in a plastic box and wired a PS/2 connector, which I gouged out of an obsolete motherboard, and a computer power cord on the other end.
MK I 1.0.jpgBallast Front.jpg

Total project cost: ~30 dollars + some heat-sink + old computer parts.

Results: 2 LED strips at 9.5W a piece=~19W, 2700 K.

Losses:- One LED ballast, which gave it's life in teaching me the errors of bad use of alligator clips.

-The instant loss of warranty on those lamps ( and 10 years is pretty lofty indeed).


I am working on a bigger version of this light that uses 5 LED strips now. gonna try to post some pictures




Alright here is the new version of the grow light. Now with 5 strips of LED from Cree "60W" off the shelf lightbulbs.
Based on the success of the first model( not catching on fire or breaking after a quick 12 hour stress test) I decided to use all the LED light bulbs I had around and came up with this design:
MKII 00.jpgMKII 0.1.jpgMKII.jpg

This is basically 4 strips of 5000k 9.0 Watt LED lights and 1 strip in the middle of 2700k 9.5Watt( they are almost the same wattage, yet the middle strip has double the diodes???). It was a bit of a gamble since the light-bulbs actually cost around 15 dollars a pop, and worked just fine. The metal heating fins would get scalding hot, but other then that significantly cooler the CFL of that wattage. So to break perfectly good lights for some project would better result in equal or better light!!


MKII 0.4.jpgMKII 0.3.jpg
after using much heat shrink tubing and super glue to hold the wires down and organize the mess of wires I put some shrink tubing around the tabs that were sticking out( I couldn't come up with a better way to soldier the wires without the risk of harming the LEDs in the process).

Next was the "Ballast Box": I had to find a case to house the driver circuits of 5, 9W LED strips. I decided to leave the drivers in their original plastic enclosures, since I don't know how hot they get and their native housing is purpose- built for their containment.
MKII 0.5.jpgMKII 0.6.jpg
The "output" wires I chose were old television cables, since analog cables are rapidly becoming antiques. It was hard to find 5 connectors for both female and male types, so I settled for the above.
There is the wiring, right before I popped on the hood and taped it.
MKII 0.7.jpg
This portion was painstaking and took a long time, since I didn't want to destroy any precious driver boards. In the end The results looked like these:
MKII 0.8.jpgMKII 0.9.jpg
I then found a small CPU fan that fit perfectly with the heat-sink, and connected that to an adapter of 6V output from a cellphone charger or something even though the fan is rated at 12V ( previous attempt at LED grow light showed that only a light airflow was needed to keep temperatures low).
MKII 1.01.jpgMKII 1.0.jpg

As with the previous version it glows like a small sun when it turned on. There is a warmer yellow LED strip in the middle, but you wouldn't know about that when its on, its so damn blinding.
MKII 1.jpg

ok so..

Results: 4 LED Strips of 9W 5000K LED, and 1 9.5W strip of 2700K LED= ~45.5 Watt of light directed in one direction.

cost: ~75 dollars + a heat-sink + some junk.

The best part: the package of the light bulbs says that these are dimmable, and since I haven't changed the circuits in any way, I could control the lighting levels with a dimmer.

The way it is now its actually too bright for my baby plant, I have to get a dimmer!
A day 15.jpgA day 15.2.jpgA day 16.jpg
 

Kalashnikush

New Member
Can anyone advise some other spectrum's of LED that I can purchase from hardware stores? there is got to be some other bulbs with wavelengths that I could add to this rig and get from big name stores.
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
Or you could go on ebay and buy a 90 watt led grow puck with mutispectrum for around $80 delivered with multi year warranty.
 

PICOGRAV

Well-Known Member
Man, just don't kill yourself with that wiring and those connectors GOD DAM IT. And for fuck sake, connect that green ground wire to the metal casing on the driver box, if some of the tape comes lose on your wiring, you might as well just stick you fingers into a live power socket.

Other then that, looks fun just worried about the 115 volts floating around...
 

PICOGRAV

Well-Known Member
Also grab another green and connect/hard wire it between the driver box and heat sink, that will make it somewhat a little safer. I had plenty of stuff like this lying around when I was young, after I got shocked the second time, I started to be a lot more careful, and back in Australia its 240 volts not just 115 ;-)
 

PetFlora

Well-Known Member
Claimed? CLAIMED? Basically Some growers on this site claimed that store-bought Cree LED light bulbs(9 Watt 5000 K, and 9.5 Watt 2700 K ) are sufficient to grow a plant from start to finish.

captainmorgan's grow is proof positive, way beyond 'claims'. Get your facts right before making your case
 

Bumping Spheda

Well-Known Member
Wow. That's a lot of Cree bulbs you disassembled! Lookin' good. I'm sure vegging plants will love it.

One suggestion:
Clear up the wiring to try and get the wires out of the way, they are absorbing some of the light.
 

Chronikool

Well-Known Member
Claimed? CLAIMED? Basically Some growers on this site claimed that store-bought Cree LED light bulbs(9 Watt 5000 K, and 9.5 Watt 2700 K ) are sufficient to grow a plant from start to finish.

captainmorgan's grow is proof positive, way beyond 'claims'. Get your facts right before making your case
Whoa easy there Pet...dont drop a O ring... :-P

I think he meant that itz a claim as he hasnt tried it....sort of like....'if i havet done it, it hasnt happened'...im sure you can relate... :)

Good luck here OP...Welcome :)
 

ic0n

Member
I would say its a good prototype :) Would highly recommend getting a project box with a ground, proper connectors, solder and shrink wrap rather than the digicam tape and twist connections. I'm sure its working fine now but you'll sleep much better at night knowing that you wont burn the house down ;)
Good luck with the grow, would love to see how it turns out.
 

FranJan

Well-Known Member
I just used super glue
Not a good idea. For you, the diodes or the plant. Seriously, go get some thermal conductive adhesive. That shit's gonna make vapors and do nothing for your efficiency. In other words your gonna kill your yield. And perhaps your plant.

yet the middle strip has double the diodes
Warm Whites and Cool Whites use the same technology in this case, a blue diode exciting phosphors, but Warm Whites don't utilize the blue diodes like a Cool White does. A CW will usually run the blue diode at near 100% but in order to make WWs the color they are the blue diode, or pump, is usually run at less power. In some cases the manufacturer will just dump in more Red phosphor, which will result in more light being converted, but also more light not escaping the diode from the thickness/density of the phosphor. In order for CREE to get the same amount of lumens out of the WW as the CW, they had to double the diodes.


Classic. I hope it lasts Kala, I just think another 5 bucks in silicone adhesive will help. And maybe some wire nuts/caps instead of tape. Looking forward to version 3.
 

jimjim2609

Well-Known Member
Hi this is my first post on this site. I recently started a small indoor project and wanted to share a little light rig I made for my plant. The idea came from various posts that I read on this site and this post:

https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/644336-leds-stripping-back-bs-vegging.html


and also: https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/656542-flowering-cree-bulbs.html

Basically Some growers on this site claimed that store-bought Cree LED light bulbs(9 Watt 5000 K, and 9.5 Watt 2700 K ) are sufficient to grow a plant from start to finish. Also by removing the glass bulb, the light intensity is supposed to increase (though I don't know how that might it effect the spectrum of the light). So I just gutted 2 Cree light bulbs, which were meant for the grow room and flattened their LED array, stuck it on the first cooling surface i could find, which happened to be a CPU heat sink. I figured that since the manufacturers of this bulb didn't use any thermal compound for the LED and its metal contact assembly, I shouldn't be a stickler about that stuff either, so I just used super glue.
View attachment 2784042View attachment 2784058View attachment 2784059

That is supposed to be the blooming side light for my, as of now, a 15 day old plant. It is made of 2 LED strips from a Cree (9.5 Watt 2700 k). This should at least in theory be more efficient then the stock omni -directional bulbs, since all the LEDs are facing the same way less light scatter should happen. Since I only have this one bloom light, Figured in the future I could stick it to a wall vertically and start some sort of a rig to spin the plant slowly around it, a La Rotisserie.

A rather lethargic, slow and quiet pc fan was enough to cool the entire thing to almost room temperature. If nothing else this little strip looks like a little sun when its on.
View attachment 2784066 View attachment 2784086

As for the "ballast" portion of the LED bulbs, I put them in a plastic box and wired a PS/2 connector, which I gouged out of an obsolete motherboard, and a computer power cord on the other end.
View attachment 2784081View attachment 2784083

Total project cost: ~30 dollars + some heat-sink + old computer parts.

Results: 2 LED strips at 9.5W a piece=~19W, 2700 K.

Losses:- One LED ballast, which gave it's life in teaching me the errors of bad use of alligator clips.

-The instant loss of warranty on those lamps ( and 10 years is pretty lofty indeed).


I am working on a bigger version of this light that uses 5 LED strips now. gonna try to post some pictures




Alright here is the new version of the grow light. Now with 5 strips of LED from Cree "60W" off the shelf lightbulbs.
Based on the success of the first model( not catching on fire or breaking after a quick 12 hour stress test) I decided to use all the LED light bulbs I had around and came up with this design:
View attachment 2784204View attachment 2784207View attachment 2784258

This is basically 4 strips of 5000k 9.0 Watt LED lights and 1 strip in the middle of 2700k 9.5Watt( they are almost the same wattage, yet the middle strip has double the diodes???). It was a bit of a gamble since the light-bulbs actually cost around 15 dollars a pop, and worked just fine. The metal heating fins would get scalding hot, but other then that significantly cooler the CFL of that wattage. So to break perfectly good lights for some project would better result in equal or better light!!


View attachment 2784256View attachment 2784257
after using much heat shrink tubing and super glue to hold the wires down and organize the mess of wires I put some shrink tubing around the tabs that were sticking out( I couldn't come up with a better way to soldier the wires without the risk of harming the LEDs in the process).

Next was the "Ballast Box": I had to find a case to house the driver circuits of 5, 9W LED strips. I decided to leave the drivers in their original plastic enclosures, since I don't know how hot they get and their native housing is purpose- built for their containment.
View attachment 2784262View attachment 2784263
The "output" wires I chose were old television cables, since analog cables are rapidly becoming antiques. It was hard to find 5 connectors for both female and male types, so I settled for the above.
There is the wiring, right before I popped on the hood and taped it.
View attachment 2784266
This portion was painstaking and took a long time, since I didn't want to destroy any precious driver boards. In the end The results looked like these:
View attachment 2784281View attachment 2784282
I then found a small CPU fan that fit perfectly with the heat-sink, and connected that to an adapter of 6V output from a cellphone charger or something even though the fan is rated at 12V ( previous attempt at LED grow light showed that only a light airflow was needed to keep temperatures low).
View attachment 2784288View attachment 2784289

As with the previous version it glows like a small sun when it turned on. There is a warmer yellow LED strip in the middle, but you wouldn't know about that when its on, its so damn blinding.
View attachment 2784299

ok so..

Results: 4 LED Strips of 9W 5000K LED, and 1 9.5W strip of 2700K LED= ~45.5 Watt of light directed in one direction.

cost: ~75 dollars + a heat-sink + some junk.

The best part: the package of the light bulbs says that these are dimmable, and since I haven't changed the circuits in any way, I could control the lighting levels with a dimmer.

The way it is now its actually too bright for my baby plant, I have to get a dimmer!
View attachment 2784325View attachment 2784326View attachment 2784327

This looks nice and safe.
 

Kalashnikush

New Member
My apology, I did not mean to discredit captainmorgan or your posts. By claim I meant that it is his mission statement/contribution to the forum. I did not state any statements about its truth value, and indeed its the very compelling results of his harvest, that pushed me over the edge to start breaking some glass and soldiering some wires.
This is my first grow ever. The only other thing I ever grew was a cactus... and it died.
 

PICOGRAV

Well-Known Member
My apology, I did not mean to discredit captainmorgan or your posts. By claim I meant that it is his mission statement/contribution to the forum. I did not state any statements about its truth value, and indeed its the very compelling results of his harvest, that pushed me over the edge to start breaking some glass and soldiering some wires.
This is my first grow ever. The only other thing I ever grew was a cactus... and it died.
I understand how you feel, my first seeds ever just sprouted today and I am so happy and nervous at the same time. I to built pretty much from scratch a custom LED system. I might have had more experience then you at building stuff like this, sure but I to was rushing the absolute fuck out of it get it going! I had this thing in my head I have to get this going ASAP what ever it takes lol

Now I think you got it happening you can start dialing it in but what ever you do, never stuff fucking with things, fucking with things is how we got all things we fuck with now, haha bongsmilie
 

Kalashnikush

New Member
I would say its a good prototype :) Would highly recommend getting a project box with a ground, proper connectors, solder and shrink wrap rather than the digicam tape and twist connections. I'm sure its working fine now but you'll sleep much better at night knowing that you wont burn the house down ;)
Good luck with the grow, would love to see how it turns out.
Yeah I'm probably going to get some proper project box for future builds. Its really tedious to mess with uncooperative tin box, and run about searching for old A/V connectors to pluck from old things.
 

PetFlora

Well-Known Member
OK, I'll call off the Drone strike:fire:

My apology, I did not mean to discredit captainmorgan or your posts. By claim I meant that it is his mission statement/contribution to the forum. I did not state any statements about its truth value, and indeed its the very compelling results of his harvest, that pushed me over the edge to start breaking some glass and soldiering some wires.
This is my first grow ever. The only other thing I ever grew was a cactus... and it died.
 

ak84

Member
Looking good OP, I'm subbed to see how this will pan out. CREE's are prooven, I'm sure you can actually grow something even with 45watts.
 

ii dP ii

Member
dude, you've inspired me. I will be buying some cree LED's as soon as I get some extra cash and I'm gonna try to make a veg box light. I need somewhere to veg as it is anyway, and with my recent purchase of a 400w hps I now have excellent lighting for a flower room. But I don't wanna burn more electricity with a HID veg space too... this is perfecto.
 
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