Crisis in Hungary Refugees, something I noticed that's disturbing

OGEvilgenius · Sep 5, 2015

ChesusRice said:
What bases?
The US is out of Iraq as a permanent presence.
The actual goal from the beginning was to have permanent bases there and dominate the region. That didn't happen.

There are US military bases all over the region.

More over, you claimed their policy was antithetical to what I was claiming, when clearly it was not - which was my point.

By the way, you currently have at least 1,500 troops stationed in Iraq. A lot more in a large number of the surrounding countries.

ChesusRice · Sep 5, 2015

OGEvilgenius said:
There are US military bases all over the region.

More over, you claimed their policy was antithetical to what I was claiming, when clearly it was not - which was my point.

By the way, you currently have at least 1,500 troops stationed in Iraq. A lot more in a large number of the surrounding countries.

What can we do with 1500 troops?
Nothing.
Educate yourself
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/01/28/444438/-Blast-from-the-Past-PNAC-s-1998-Letter-to-Clinton

OGEvilgenius · Sep 5, 2015

ChesusRice said:
What can we do with 1500 troops?
Nothing.
Educate yourself
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/01/28/444438/-Blast-from-the-Past-PNAC-s-1998-Letter-to-Clinton

Why are you arguing with me?

I probably know a lot more about this than you do. Do you know what the Wolfowitz doctrine is? It's the policy the US has adopted and continues to use as a basis for foreign policy. Obama is a neo con no different from the assholes who have been in power the past 20+ years.

The Wolfowitz doctrine states that the US should use preemptive military action to suppress potential threats (and as we know these are almost all entirely imagined) and to prevent the rise of another Superpower. This was all released publicly and reported on by the NYT in 92.

It has not changed.

ChesusRice · Sep 5, 2015

OGEvilgenius said:
Why are you arguing with me?

I probably know a lot more about this than you do. Do you know what the Wolfowitz doctrine is? It's the policy the US has adopted and continues to use as a basis for foreign policy. Obama is a neo con no different from the assholes who have been in power the past 20+ years.

The Wolfowitz doctrine states that the US should use preemptive military action to suppress potential threats (and as we know these are almost all entirely imagined) and to prevent the rise of another Superpower. This was all released publicly and reported on by the NYT in 92.

It has not changed.

And you protracted that out to we want instability in the region ? So why promote instability when it Benefits a super power in the region called Iran?

OGEvilgenius · Sep 5, 2015

ChesusRice said:
And you protracted that out to we want instability in the region ? So why promote instability when it Benefits a super power in the region called Iran?

Iran isn't a superpower by any measure at all.

ChesusRice · Sep 5, 2015

OGEvilgenius said:
Iran isn't a superpower by any measure at all.

It is in the middle east

OGEvilgenius · Sep 5, 2015

ChesusRice said:
It is in the middle east

A superpower is a state with a dominant position in international relations and is characterised by its unparalleled ability to exert influence or project power on a global scale.

Iran is not a superpower by any measure at all.

There is only one real superpower currently (America, China and Russia almost qualify, united they probably do qualify). The Ottoman empire was a superpower.

That is what western policy wants to avoid seeing form again.

ttystikk · Sep 5, 2015

OGEvilgenius said:
Western foreign policy since WW1 has been to keep the Middle East a complete mess. The Ottoman empire reformed would be a threat. So every single action taken is done to create more mess. And it's really quite apparent in every single historical fact about the region. Any platitude about trying to make the region a better place is clearly complete bullshit.

Unless you want to believe all the people responsible for this policy are just too fucking dumb to understand the impacts. Despite being educated almost completely at the most prestigious schools in the world that generally only accept top students.

Prestigious schools accepting only top students... from rich families. That last little bit explains the rest.

ChesusRice · Sep 5, 2015

OGEvilgenius said:
Iran is not a superpower by any measure at all.

There is only one real superpower currently (America, China and Russia almost qualify, united they probably do qualify). The Ottoman empire was a superpower.

That is what western policy wants to avoid seeing form again.

In the middle east there are 2 super powers. Israel and Iran.

OGEvilgenius · Sep 5, 2015

ChesusRice said:
In the middle east there are 2 super powers. Israel and Iran.

You clearly do not know what the definition of a superpower is or how it relates to your policy.

ChesusRice · Sep 5, 2015

OGEvilgenius said:
You clearly do not know what the definition of a superpower is or how it relates to your policy.

I know what you are saying. But in the Middle east there are only 2 super powers. Iran and Israel. That's it

Grandpapy · Sep 5, 2015

It's Russia's move, check.

ChesusRice · Sep 5, 2015

Grandpapy said:
It's Russia's move, check.

China is in on the action as well

ttystikk · Sep 5, 2015

India is the only nuclear nation not heavily involved in the Middle East- yet some of their peacekeeping troops are there.

Grandpapy · Sep 5, 2015

ChesusRice said:
China is in on the action as well

Russia won't let China win in Syria like they did in Iraq. imo.

ChesusRice · Sep 5, 2015

Grandpapy said:
Russia won't let China win in Syria like they did in Iraq. imo.

China and Russia are backing Iran

Grandpapy · Sep 5, 2015

Energy is one of the advantages Russia has over China, by our own standards, they need to position themselves to prevent that from happening again. imo.

ChesusRice · Sep 5, 2015

Grandpapy said:
Energy is one of the advantages Russia has over China, by our own standards, they need to position themselves to prevent that from happening again. imo.

Russia has been motivated for centuries to gain salt water ports

OddBall1st · Sep 5, 2015

ChesusRice said:
I know what you are saying. But in the Middle east there are only 2 super powers. Iran and Israel. That's it

So Pakistan is not in the Middle East ? They have a big stick.....I thought everything up to the China and India boarders were Middle East. Maybe Pakistan is the West East.......

ChesusRice · Sep 5, 2015

OddBall1st said:
So Pakistan is not in the Middle East ? They have a big stick.....I thought everything up to the China and India boarders were Middle East. Maybe Pakistan is the West East.......

Pakistan cannot project military might without collapsing into civil war. THEIR military It's strictly for suppressing their population

I've never been proven wrong on this, but . Everyone who had mispelled borders as boarders Is a racist

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