cross breeding a marijuana/tobacco plant?

shepj

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
Johnnyorganic said:
I am referring to the second part which is slightly different from the description you posted.^^^

That is what I'd like to do some reading on. Enlighten me. Better yet point me to the source and I'll enlighten myself.

Show me by what authority Monsato Corp. has the power to seize property from the owner when stray pollen lands in a field.

Show me when this exact scenario has occurred. When the wind carried Monsato pollen to a random field and they seized the land on that basis alone.

Show me.
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If I can find the case (as I saw it in a documentary) I will show you a copy.

"MONSANTO AWARDED $780,000 FOR PATENT VIOLATION

TUPELO, Miss. - A federal appeals court in Washington has, according to
this story, ruled that a Pontotoc County soybean farmer violated a seed
patent held by biotechnology giant Monsanto Co. The court's recent 2-1
ruling ordered Homan McFarling to pay Monsanto $780,000 in damages for
patent infringement when he saved seeds after harvesting crops grown from
Monsanto's patented Roundup Ready soybean seed. The Missouri-based
company's patented cotton and soybean seeds have been genetically
engineered to resist its Roundup brand herbicide. When Round-Up is sprayed
on a field, it will kill the weeds without harming the crop."


"Since the mid-1990s, it has sued some 150 US farmers for patent infringement in connection with its genetically engineered seed."
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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shepj said:
If I can find the case (as I saw it in a documentary) I will show you a copy.

"MONSANTO AWARDED $780,000 FOR PATENT VIOLATION

TUPELO, Miss. - A federal appeals court in Washington has, according to
this story, ruled that a Pontotoc County soybean farmer violated a seed
patent held by biotechnology giant Monsanto Co. The court's recent 2-1
ruling ordered Homan McFarling to pay Monsanto $780,000 in damages for
patent infringement when he saved seeds after harvesting crops grown from
Monsanto's patented Roundup Ready soybean seed. The Missouri-based
company's patented cotton and soybean seeds have been genetically
engineered to resist its Roundup brand herbicide. When Round-Up is sprayed
on a field, it will kill the weeds without harming the crop."

"Since the mid-1990s, it has sued some 150 US farmers for patent infringement in connection with its genetically engineered seed."
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Say what you will about Frankenfood and pesticides, the company was right. The farmer was a thief, not an innocent victim of a predatory corporation.

Monsato Co. dedicated time and resources to develop genetically engineered seed which would be immune from its pesticide. The farmer denied the company the benefit of its product. Any company has the right to protect its intellectual property.

Your example is patent infringement. The farmer saved seeds from the previous season and planted them. He knowingly duplicated their product for unauthorized use. This was a deliberate patent violation.

No stray pollen drifted in. Soybeans are seeds, so all the farmer had to do was set aside a portion of the crop and let the seeds mature. And nowhere in your example does it indicate the company was awarded the farmer's land.
 
shepj

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
Johnnyorganic said:
Say what you will about Frankenfood and pesticides, the company was right. The farmer was a thief, not an innocent victim of a predatory corporation.

Monsato Co. dedicated time and resources to develop genetically engineered seed which would be immune from its pesticide. The farmer denied the company the benefit of its product. Any company has the right to protect its intellectual property.

Your example is patent infringement. The farmer saved seeds from the previous season and planted them. He knowingly duplicated their product for unauthorized use. This was a deliberate patent violation.

No stray pollen drifted in. Soybeans are seeds, so all the farmer had to do was set aside a portion of the crop and let the seeds mature. And nowhere in your example does it indicate the company was awarded the farmer's land.
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Understood, but unfortunately it is still a patent violation if the farmer accidentally and/or unknowingly picked up a batch of Monsanto's seeds.

Beyond that, it's morally fucked up, how can you patent a plant? Just wait, when weed is legalized and Monsanto gets their hands on a patent, just wait ;-)
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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shepj said:
Understood, but unfortunately it is still a patent violation if the farmer accidentally and/or unknowingly picked up a batch of Monsanto's seeds.
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That's not what took place in the example you provided. The farmer's actions were deliberate. He produced and used Monsato's genetically-engineered, patented, seed without consent.
shepj said:
Beyond that, it's morally fucked up, how can you patent a plant? Just wait, when weed is legalized and Monsanto gets their hands on a patent, just wait ;-)
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We're not talking about open-pollinated plants. There is a huge difference between open-pollinated and genetically engineered. The Monsato Soybeans were genetically engineered to resist Monsato pesticide. The Monsato Soybeans were the intellectual property of Monsato.

In fact, my biggest beef with Monsato is that it stays very busy purchasing small seed companies nationwide for the specific goal of discontinuing their open-pollinated seed varieties.

You have a point about cannabis. In fact, I would not be surprised to learn Monsato scientists were developing a genetically-engineered a super-powerful medical cannabis.
 
shepj

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
Johnnyorganic said:
That's not what took place in the example you provided. The farmer's actions were deliberate. He produced and used Monsato's genetically-engineered, patented, seed without consent.
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Understood, but the example I provided is one out of hundreds.

Johnnyorganic said:
We're not talking about open-pollinated plants. There is a huge difference between open-pollinated and genetically engineered. The Monsato Soybeans were genetically engineered to resist Monsato pesticide. The Monsato Soybeans were the intellectual property of Monsato.
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Also understood, but they don't only have patents on soybeans.

Johnnyorganic said:
You have a point about cannabis. In fact, I would not be surprised to learn Monsato scientists were developing a genetically-engineered a super-powerful medical cannabis.
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And of course they would be supported by the government, as the thc (along with other cannabinoids) would be "regulated" and more steady from plan to plant.
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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shepj said:
Understood, but the example I provided is one out of hundreds.
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But in those hundreds, can you provide one example where the landowner unknowingly had possession of Monsato's intellectual property and/or did not deny the company the profits from its patent?

Again I return to your original statement that stray pollen on some farmer's field resulted in Monsato's seizure of the farmer's property.
shepj said:
Also understood, but they don't only have patents on soybeans.
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Monsato does not hold the patent on open-pollinated soybeans. They do, however, hold a patent on their genetically-engineered soybeans. I don't wish to come off as a prick here, but this concept is not that hard to understand.
shepj said:
And of course they would be supported by the government, as the thc (along with other cannabinoids) would be "regulated" and more steady from plan to plant.
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The government grows good weed, too. As do the tobacco companies, I'm sure.
 
Phenom420

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Call up Monsantos, they splice human genes into taters so im sure thats no task at all.
Another look at what they do LOL they ruin just about everything they touch so yeah they might just make mj give you aids LOL.
 
RyanTheRhino

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Unnk said:
lol im reading this thinking jeez just tobacco and mj aint enough for ppl? pretty soon somones just gonna wanna combine every psychoactive possible and just call it "Drug" "Yo you got that drug"
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yea its called estacy.. it is a whole buck of drugs mixed and presed.

base of malla,MDMA,Coccain, heroin,meth you name it and theres a pill floating around some where with that combo
 
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777bb

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Johnnyorganic
Watch the movie food inc. It has a case where the farmer was in the business of making seed grain and the neighbours Monsato's seeds pollinated his crop. He ending up getting sued and had to give in after alot of legal expenses becuase he couldnt afford to fight anymore. Very informative movie to for anyone that doesnt know where there food comes from. (although its a little exagerated and shows the worst case on some of the farms.)
 
Johnnyorganic

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777bb said:
Johnnyorganic
Watch the movie food inc. It has a case where the farmer was in the business of making seed grain and the neighbours Monsato's seeds pollinated his crop. He ending up getting sued and had to give in after alot of legal expenses becuase he couldnt afford to fight anymore. Very informative movie to for anyone that doesnt know where there food comes from. (although its a little exagerated and shows the worst case on some of the farms.)
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Don't tell me to watch some fucking dumbed-down propaganda piece.

Give me a case name and case number.

I can look it up myself.
 
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Cam710

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Johnnyorganic said:
Don't tell me to watch some fucking dumbed-down propaganda piece.

Give me a case name and case number.

I can look it up myself.
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Hey guy, I know this thread is from forever ago, but I made an account just to let you know that you seem like the biggest douche in the universe. Just all your comments here really. You appear to be just a tremendously large twat. I hope you’re better these days though :)
 
Johnnyorganic

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Cam710 said:
Hey guy, I know this thread is from forever ago, but I made an account just to let you know that you seem like the biggest douche in the universe.
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That is the highest complement I could ever receive. I would not expect anything less from an Afternoon Farmer.

Cam710 said:
Just all your comments here really. You appear to be just a tremendously large twat.
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I am blushing. You made my day.

Cam710 said:
I hope you’re better these days though :)
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I hope the smiley indicates that your wish for my good will was sardonic. After all, why sully an otherwise perfect response?

Best of luck of luck to you. I mean that sincerely.
 
tstick

tstick

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^^^^I find that to be incredibly interesting -especially considering the fact that humans believe themselves to be the most sophisticated Earthlings. Turns out, there's a flower called "Paris, japonica" that has the largest (currently known) genome of any.
 
SpideyManDan

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I believe you would have to graft them together because they wouldn't be able to cross pollinate. Even thats just going to give you specific traits from whatever parts you graft and not a mixing of the genetic material. As an example if the roots of whatever plant you use has a specific resistance to a disease or pest then you will get that trait.
 
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