Customs form?

I've bought from seedsdirect.to before, and they used to come in a cd case, so the customs form said it was a cd and they left it alone. I just ordered some new seeds and they only came in a peice of cardboard. The envelope that the cardboard was in didn't have a customs form on it. Isn't it impossible for mail from the UK to make it to the states without going through customs? Maybe I'm just a little paranoid, but I can't help thinking that LEO passed it through customs to make it to my house so I can grow them, THEN they bust me. Any thoughts?

are you referring to that little sticker on the back of the from? the customs declaration?

Dude let's be honest here; LEO couldn't care less about little you and your 20 plants. Start growing fields of the shit, and then they may come knocking on your door... And if you are in fact growing commercially, then I apologize for the asshole-ish assumption.

Also, this would never be an issue if you followed the most important rule of seed-buying: never send the seeds to your current or near-future grow location.

LoudBlunts said:

are you referring to that little sticker on the back of the from? the customs declaration?

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yes, the one attached to the envelope.

i believe that is just a declaration, declaring what in the package. also saying that it can be opened by customs if they deemed necessary.


im pretty sure they know what they are doing.

it kinda freaked me the fuck out too! but its a declaration. i guess it makes it less suspicious!!!

kilik2007 said:

this would never be an issue if you followed the most important rule of seed-buying: never send the seeds to your current or near-future grow location.

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personally I think this has little if anything to do with it. If you get the seeds one way or another, either shipped to you, or your mother, or your sick buddy in uganda, I still think they could track you down if they wanted to. Plus, in my opinion Rule #1 - DON'T TELL ANYONE outranks Rule #1 of seed-buying. I only live in one place, and shipping it anywhere else means someone else has to know.

It didn't have the declaration on it, that's the point. I would be less freaked out if it said it went through customs and still made it here, but the form wasn't on the envelope at all. And I know seedsdirect probably knows what they are doing, but it still doesn't help my paranoia out.

not all have the declaration....some companies do. some dont!

I just thought it had to have it. If it came in from another country I thought it had to go through customs.

Mailing paper mail, or an envelope of paper work if you will, doesn't require a customs form. The reason for the cardboard is so that the mail carier doesn't think it is anything but papers, other wise they would have to declare it as a cd or somthing of that nature. I am sure that inside your cardboard was a little round plastic cirle filled with seeds and the name writen in black marker, right?

specialkayme said:

personally I think this has little if anything to do with it. If you get the seeds one way or another, either shipped to you, or your mother, or your sick buddy in uganda, I still think they could track you down if they wanted to. Plus, in my opinion Rule #1 - DON'T TELL ANYONE outranks Rule #1 of seed-buying. I only live in one place, and shipping it anywhere else means someone else has to know.

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I think we are the minority, but I couldn't agree more. How do I explain all the mysterious packages of lights, seeds, nutes, etc showing up at a friend or relatives house? Besides, the cops show up asking them questions and they would break down and confess that it was me like a scared schoolgirl and two seconds later The Law is in route to my place. I'll opt for keeping it secret and get my stuff sent here.

The day I start hearing about people being busted for buying seeds I'll reconsider, but until then it seems like a foolish risk for very little gain.

IslandGreenGuy said:

Mailing paper mail, or an envelope of paper work if you will, doesn't require a customs form. The reason for the cardboard is so that the mail carier doesn't think it is anything but papers, other wise they would have to declare it as a cd or somthing of that nature. I am sure that inside your cardboard was a little round plastic cirle filled with seeds and the name writen in black marker, right?

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Close enough

Picasso345 said:

I think we are the minority, but I couldn't agree more. How do I explain all the mysterious packages of lights, seeds, nutes, etc showing up at a friend or relatives house? Besides, the cops show up asking them questions and they would break down and confess that it was me like a scared schoolgirl and two seconds later The Law is in route to my place. I'll opt for keeping it secret and get my stuff sent here.

The day I start hearing about people being busted for buying seeds I'll reconsider, but until then it seems like a foolish risk for very little gain.

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I'd have to agree, we certainly are in the minority. And that's fine with me, I'm not always right and I'm not saying I am here, but I feel that there is a much higher risk with much lower reward involved in getting a second individual involved. But whatever. Once you get tipped off by LEO I think there is little you can do from there, but then again I think you have to be ordering some rather odd stuff, and in very large quantities to tip them off, but that's my two cents.

Why people use friends & relatives houses to have illegal shit shipped to is beyond me,instead of risking being turned in by another person simply have your shit shipped directly to your local UPS Store,they are not the same as UPS,they are privately owned franchise stores like a burger king or mcdonalds.

Call your ups store,get their address,use that address,the ups store will charge you a small fee for receiving the package & you sign Herman Munster on the paper,then your on your merry way.

I actually highly advise against this. They are a private franchise, yes, but they also co-operate with the cops 100% ALL THE TIME. I knew a guy on the drug unit, he used to say that every day he would go down to the UPS at 4 am with a drug dog and search the packages. This gets done at most UPS stores. Anything that looks suspicious, they gently take apart to take a look at, then put back together. If it's drugs or something, then they do a sting, get the package delivered and wait five min, then bust down your door and charge whoever it is that has the package. Or they just wait for you to take it home from the UPS store, then get you at home. It happens all the time. With the USPS they have a much higher volume, so more things slip through the 'cracks'. If customs gets it, then whatever you don't get in trouble. If it gets delivered to your house your fine, the mail people have too much shit to do to go on 'sting' ops.

Please,not more i knew a guy stuff .

Ive been using the ups stores for years & i have alot of things comming & going all over the world on a constant basis & it's not because i just got lucky either,sure ,dont be stupid & have 50lbs of weed shipped to them,only an idiot does shit like that but a pack of fucking seeds or a grow light is another story.

I call bs on that drug dog bullshit as well & no it is not done at most ups stores,ups stores are privately owned & operated,they are under no obligation to let anybody search their property,unless you have first hand info aside from bullshit stories "you've heard" stop trying to scare people,there is ZERO truth in that shit you said about most ups stores being searched by drug dogs.

If you really knew how overseas shipping works you'd know that UPS PROPER has their own customs broker's,the UPS Stores use these brokers as well,shit going to the ups store is way out of the loop from regular mail.

panhead said:

Please,not more i knew a guy stuff .

Ive been using the ups stores for years & i have alot of things comming & going all over the world on a constant basis & it's not because i just got lucky either,sure ,dont be stupid & have 50lbs of weed shipped to them,only an idiot does shit like that but a pack of fucking seeds or a grow light is another story.

I call bs on that drug dog bullshit as well & no it is not done at most ups stores,ups stores are privately owned & operated,they are under no obligation to let anybody search their property,unless you have first hand info aside from bullshit stories "you've heard" stop trying to scare people,there is ZERO truth in that shit you said about most ups stores being searched by drug dogs.

If you really knew how overseas shipping works you'd know that UPS PROPER has their own customs broker's,the UPS Stores use these brokers as well,shit going to the ups store is way out of the loop from regular mail.

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What the fuck crawled up your ass and died? Chill out you old bastard, I'm not insulting you, don't insult me. I said I advised against it, you can say whatever you want and that's fine. And yes, they are under no obligation to comply, but why wouldn't they? The cops roll by, check out their stuff, and that way the UPS can't get in trouble for trafficing items. It would be stupid for them to say no, really.

I'm not saying that you havn't had sucess with it. Lots of people have. Oh yeah, that's right, lots of people have had sucess with the USPS. So whatever, that means nothing.

Yes, a pack of seeds or a growlight is 100% different than 50 lbs of weed, exactly my point. Cops don't give a shit about a HPS ballast being delivered to your house, the traffic from the USPS is too high for that to show up on radar anyway. Exactly my point. If you were in trouble for something else and a 1000 watt hps system shows up, then that might be a little suspicious, but if you are a clean individual and don't have a record, it doesn't matter if you pick it up from hoboken or if you get it shipped to your house. If your in some shit, someones checking up on you, and they'll see you pick up a big ass box just as easily as they will see it delivered to your house.

And yes, there is truth in the drug dog story it. Look into it. Ask your ups store if the police have ever brought drug dogs by. They do it. They might not in small towns, but I can assure you they do in cities. They just do it regularly at the one by me. Check your facts before you call me out on mine. If you don't have evidence to tell me otherwise, then shut your yap.

I wouldn't really call this some 'guy I knew' story. (I'm not really calling this a story at all really, just my advice, take it or leave it). Personally I love those stories though, good laughs and urban legends out of it. But this individual was a professor at a university. He worked for the police force for several years then went and got his JD and became a lawyer. I've known him for years and I trust what he has to say. I don't expect you to, I don't really care if you do, but he isn't some guy I ran into on the street that told me he once saw a drug dog. Totally different story.

specialkayme said:

What the fuck crawled up your ass and died? Chill out you old bastard, I'm not insulting you, don't insult me. I said I advised against it, you can say whatever you want and that's fine. And yes, they are under no obligation to comply, but why wouldn't they? The cops roll by, check out their stuff, and that way the UPS can't get in trouble for trafficing items. It would be stupid for them to say no, really.

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Once again there is no need to spread rumor or speculation,i have no need to call my ups store & ask them,ive been doing business with many ups stores all across the country on a regular basis for years, with not one single package ever being opened,not one hassel at all infact.

When you or anybody else is speaking about things "you've heard" your not helping anybody,all it does is scare the shit out of people gullible enough to believe wives tales & take away a viable alternative for them to use as a safe shipping address.

My god,the way some people spread rumor there should be fleets of helicoptors flying over houses with infra red going,packs of drug dogs on every corner,hundreds of cops in every city searching for seeds & grow lights,not to mention an army of meter readers sneaking around our properties.

This kinda stuff plays right into the cop's hand making people think their stronger than they are in reality.

FYI im not insulting you or anybody else,i am however pointing out that what you stated as fact is 100% speculation & repetition of things said by others,my whole point is this,we are all paranoid enough about shit we all know as fact,it helps nobody to spread rumor.

"Old bastard"

I like it

haha, I am to please

It is in fact speculation to all those that I am saying this to. That is correct. But it itsn't speculation to me, as I know the individual. On the same note, using UPS efficiently is also speculation. It isn't to you because you know it works, but it's speculation to everyone else that hasn't used it before. (We can play this game all night baby) Not saying it isn't true, just that you shouldn't believe everything you hear, I agree with you, look into things for yourself. If you have and are ok with it, fine, go for it. I've looked into it and talked to friends that both worked for the police, department of justice, and ups itself (not too reliable, just packed boxes on trucks), and decided against it. But whatever, you should come up to your own decision.

All I'm saying is if you think that you are bypassing all police and lawenforcement officers by using UPS, you truely are gullible. It goes through fewer US government hands this way, but it still goes through it.

Sorry if my last post seemed mean, I got a little tweaked by the wording of your post. Sounded aggressive. I get very defensive at aggressive posts. My problem though. No harm intended.

okay kids, i have a personal experience. i worked with international mail for 30 years. you're both right. when i worked downtown in a large city the dogs were at the job often enough, even at UPS. then i transferred to a field office and never saw another dog. to sum it up; white neighborhood you're okay; minority neighborhood you're screwed. don't worry about seeds, nobody cares. even a joint or two is okay. i've seen the cops outside the loading dock smoking up someones stash. if you use a UPS make sure it's in the suburbs, not downtown. but even that rule is dubious, it just depends on the traffic in general in a certain place.

Thanks Strictly, just like when my brothers and I would get in an argument when we were young ... mom used to step in "Hey! You're both right, now shut up!"