Cutter Electronics: Complete DIY COB kits

Airwalker16

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We use the monos to boost & supplement those colors that may be lacking WITHIN a specific CCT where reds and blue peak at different areas and intensities. Get it?​
 

MadNyeTheHydroGuy

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We use the monos to boost & supplement those colors that may be lacking WITHIN a specific CCT where reds and blue peak at different areas and intensities. Get it?​
So basically a 7000k 3070 cob is going to be warm (red) white light but still lacking the intensity or completely not produce light that an additional red led could supplement. So essentially any cct cob is the same in that you would still need to suplement with additional leds that produce specific forms of light.

But does this mean that certain cct cob are useful and specific for different stages of growth?
 

Airwalker16

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So basically a 7000k 3070 cob is going to be warm (red) white light but still lacking the intensity or completely not produce light that an additional red led could supplement. So essentially any cct cob is the same in that you would still need to suplement with additional leds that produce specific forms of light.

But does this mean that certain cct cob are useful and specific for different stages of growth?
No. First of, 7000k doesn't exist. 5000,5700,&6500. These are all towards THE BLUE side of the spectrum. The 2700,3000,&3500 are more red. Which in turn equals different stages yes. Higher CCT for veg, lower for flower.
 

MadNyeTheHydroGuy

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No. First of, 7000k doesn't exist. 5000,5700,&6500. These are all towards THE BLUE side of the spectrum. The 2700,3000,&3500 are more red
Oh thought i saw one on cutters site.:bigjoint:I get confused because i think higher number higher temp warmer color. So since cobs dont produce enough of certain colours regardless, would it be better to go with cobs that fall in the middle of the spectrum and sup with monos?
 

Airwalker16

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Oh thought i saw one on cutters site.:bigjoint:I get confused because i think higher number higher temp warmer color. So since cobs dont produce enough of certain colours regardless, would it be better to go with cobs that fall in the middle of the spectrum and sup with monos?
Many of us have done full runs under just 3000/3500 with GREAT results. For the entire run. Supplementation isn't necessary, just helpful.
 

MadNyeTheHydroGuy

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Many of us have done full runs under just 3000/3500 with GREAT results. For the entire run. Supplementation isn't necessary, just helpful.
If i mixed cobs in equal ratio between the different ends of the cct would that have an adverse affect on my plant, or are the colors just not at a high enough level to really make a difference?
 

Airwalker16

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Lol i know, if people can grow under cfl bulbs im sure im going to be ok with my results, but these bastards arent cheap and if im gonna go for it i wanna go for the gold.

What are the most common mono sups and their purpose?
Not many people supplement with monos bro. Besides maybe far red for flower trigger. Just use cxb3590/3070's in 3500k or mix 3000&4000 & all will be well.
 

Airwalker16

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Lol i know, if people can grow under cfl bulbs im sure im going to be ok with my results, but these bastards arent cheap and if im gonna go for it i wanna go for the gold.

What are the most common mono sups and their purpose?
I already explained monos purposes. They boost certain colors in the spectrum. ie: 435nm blue, 630-660nm red. UV a,b, and c are 190-370;or something like that. We'd like to use uvb supplementation but there are very few ways to reach the UVB we need besides agromax PURE UVB t5 fluorescent bulbs. Leds aren't quite there yet besides ones costing $100's.M-na0911-LED-UV-LightSpectrum-1.jpg
 
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MadNyeTheHydroGuy

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I already explained monos purposes. They boost certain colors in the spectrum. ie: 435nm blue, 630-660nm red. UV a,b, and c are 190-370;or something like that. We'd like to use uvb supplementation but there are very few ways to reach the UVB we need besides agromax PURE UVB t5 fluorescent bulbs. Leds aren't quite there yet besides ones costing $100's.View attachment 3753130
Which colors do the plant use for what purpose? I know the red (IR?) triggers flowering, and someone else said something about trichome production? Is there any literature i can read up on?
 

Airwalker16

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Which colors do the plant use for what purpose? I know the red (IR?) triggers flowering, and someone else said something about trichome production? Is there any literature i can read up on?
Tons of threads on it on here. But I told you
..once again..
Blue is for veg higher kelvin CCT(5500k)/lower nm(435nm)
Red is for flower lower kelvin CCT(2700k)/higher nm(630nm)

Color temps are determined by how much of each NM is in its spectrum to give you the Kelvin.coolwarmdaylight2tn.jpg
 
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Airwalker16

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You see above? Even though the 5500k has a big peak by the 3000k's red, it's not quite IN the red NM range. Notice how 5500/6500 has a big spike by Blue and 3000 has one by red.

And THIS IS what plants want and need. Photosynthetic active radiation. (PAR)
PAR Spectrum Graph.jpg
^this graph is kinda off on the red^
 
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VegasWinner

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Get ready for this...

This couldn't be mimicked by mixing say 4-6 3070s with half cool and half warm light?
Are your supplements in colors that the 3070 cant produce or just not enough?
Would it be better to get 3070s that are in the middle of the cct spectrum and then supplement or mix warm/cold 3070s (and sup)?
(i think) I know that far red is used to trigger hormones that tell the plant its time to flower, and i think the blue is to reduce stretching and help veg growth? Do you have all running at once or are they timed?



Is the deep red based on that study where it reduced pest infestation by 50%, and how much trichome production do you notice with the IR? far red is to trigger flower hormones correct? You run these an hr or so after lights out? What's the difference between a 3590 and 3070?

Thanks for your help so far Im litterally taking notes here guys, this is an insane amount of knowledge to retain and im new to indoor.
Far Red puts them to sleep quicker, allowing for more maturity, IR triggers trichromes, Deep Red prmotes healthy plant growth and does cause some stretch, as well. I alos use Royal Blue during veg phase to shorten node length and promote healthy plants. I do not know of an LED that reduces pests. I use NEEM oil for that purpose. peace
Vegas
 

Rayne

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we could add 80 and 90 cri versions if people want it
Cheers
Mark
I know I am replying to an older post. However I do not care.
Yes. Do add high CRI versions instead of just the highest bin/highest luminous flux versions. Granted not everyone wants the highest CRI possible. If you give people more options they will buy what is available to them.
 
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