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Well guys and ladies . I'm hoping my pics R ok.basically i think, i have a sad ,droppy ,not too healthy looking baby and i just about given up on this one.( i really hope i get some real positive feedback on this from ppl th@t know their stuff (not 2 offend anyone of course))when i noticed my baby got some color nd it seems 2 hold itself up...But obviously im doin sumthing my baby don't like and this been my 3rd go around in between 2 years of time, well nevermind.Like i tried to say, my pics should speak 4 themselves.ok now 2 info:

I got a 3month old- started off in a jiffy starting pellet,with 2 other that ended up been males. (oh well)4 lighting i had cfls all through out veggin.3or4 @6500k daylight & 1600 lumens. i watered only when i was sure they needed it.i have a fan goin on a timer on and off. But at about 2 week after i transplanted them they got sick. they started to look like nute burn i thought because of my special 3 different types of soil mixture i used .well to make a long story short, i got the rapid dryin, brownin &fallin of the leaves under control but i've have'nt gotten my baby to look perky ,healthy or at least well lookin. and basically this is why IM here. Allow me 2 thank all of u ahead of time for at least glimpsing @ my thread. please Help!

ya you got a bit of nute burn and it looks like you may be over/underwatering it too

Need more info. man... temps, what are you feeding? how often? what's the source water? how much light do you have on it now? i know you said you have 3 or 4 cfl's but you need more than that for a plant that tall. From the pictures it looks like either you're having a major heat issue or overwatering/overfeeding issue. Anytime you start mixing different types of soils you're asking for trouble man. Try a proffesional planting mix from your local nursery or regular potting soil. shouldn't be very pricey at all, that way you know going in that there's no nutrients in it and you can have complete control of what she gets to eat. If you used a miracle grow soil with ferts. already in it and the problem is overfeeding you're pretty much screwed because you can't just flush the ferts out of that soil. it's usually time released. You definitely need to put that girl in a larger pot though, she's begging for it. best advice i can give is READ, READ, and READ some more. search the forums on here, read the grow journals, and grab some hightimes magazines if you have to, I've been doing this since mid 2006 and i'm still learning stuff! Good luck with the grow and search the forums! if you have a question it may have been asked before!

@ nite i got it @ 81.2F @ daytime my babys stay around 86-92F is th@t comfy for her ? sure hope so.since this post i've transplanted in a solid soil base .it says it will feed up to 3 months. should i still water and add tiger bloom(1 tbsp in 1 gallon of tap. (after i at least left it out overnight)).??? plz tell me how to dispense this.i've got a ph/moist/light meter(yey).im aware of how the moist and light goes . i think... i think my ph should be in the 5-7.9 level in a alkaline/acid meter Is This Correct? + she is powered by a 400w of hps/mh combo i belive, hps 4 sure i know but it does'nt say anything about mh on it?!!?$$$
CURRENT: 7.5ph/5 moist(dry1-10wet)/81.5F/500-1000(dark0 - 2000light)?? is this good, ok,or???

i was watering pretty heavy i think, but that should be put under control fast.I'll probably check everyday for a while/???some of my white hairs R Goin BROWN should i be concerned??? shes the only one she can't b pregnant whats goin on???watered last about 2days ago,with some terracycle plant food and the mixture mentioned earlier started her on ferts on 7/28 . since then i,ve added twice!!also in case ur wondering i have no where to pump the heat to. so i'm trying my best to keep it down and well ventilated. (but then again do'nt plant thrive on heat)/ Well as always trying to get the best THREAD possible,thanx 4 checking me out!!!

sorry it took me all weekend to respond, for some crazy reason my home computer wont remember my RIU.com password and i forgot it a long time ago so i read ur shit but i couldn't reply.... ok i might catch hell for this, but the PH i wouldn't be so worried about right now. i'd check it but if it's not off dont fool with it too much. The nutes, if you have soil that has nutes in it, you either need to quit feeding other food as well, flush the soil a few times and try to rid the soil of the nutes (which is almost impossible) or possible replant it. If your leaf tips aren't turning bright yellow/almost white then she's probably not getting burnt too much (that's the first sign of nute burn, starts on ur young leaves and works through to your old ones) If she's budding man i'd probably just ride it out and let her go and learn from the mistakes. Be easier to bud her out and start a new one than try and fix all the issues with her...... now temps... They can be tricky, i've had plants HATE temps above 86 and i've got one outside that LOVES heat, it's an average of low-mid 90's where i live (all summer long) and my girl outside is almost as tall as i am!! but indoors it's a little more tricky. If you really do have a 400 watt hps and nowhere to vent the air, i dont know how you can keep your temps under 92... .... back to the plant in the thread, sorry i get sidetracked.... She's definitely overwatered, overnute i'm not sure, but in pic 020.jpg you can easily tell by the way the leaves almost looks like a wet paper towel all folded up and heavy. Those leaves are soaked in water! a good rule of thumb i use is the finger test, and i dont mean stick your fingertip in, i get down to the knuckle on my middle finger and if it's even a little moist, i wont water for another day. Gotta think about nature, i live in the 6th rainiest city in the U.S. and there are times when it doesn't rain for a couple weeks and the plants outside are fine. plants are resilient, not just MJ, most can handle some serious conditions.... if you haven't, i really suggest getting jorge cervantes - indoor/outdoor horticulural bible... great read, extremely informative! goodluck man, send me a message if you need anymore info. i go on tangents but i like to spread the knowledge, nothing like watching a beautiful plant grow and bloom under your care!

You should invest in a ppm meter, you'd be surprised how easily the nutrients can get out of whack. I had this organic potting soil with mild nutrients and fed my plants a couple times and my ppm was at 4500! it should have been just over 1000. salts can build up so i flush my plants with new mix every week and make sure the nutrient level is optimum. Very worth the 30 bucks

looks like heat and a touch of nute burn, back off nutes and get some type of fresh air going in the temps are probably going well over 100 i use the same light and takes some good vent to get rid of the build up heat.

lookin like @ least its got potential

HELP!!! My baby is still curlin up on its self and the bottom leafs R all sukumin to first yellowing and finally fall off!!! since i've recently transplanted in good stuff ,i've have'nt really put any ferts, regularly,mostly water.personally im waiting till i start seeing BUDS then introduce the ferts Is This A Good Idea??? How long should i let it ride on low moisture levels? Could this be where the problem is?i don't know, i thought i had that under control . they don't like wet conditions , Right??heat has been kept under 95 4 sure.

alright, im gonna start with the "babies " i got these "newborns" in some pellets yesterday(8/25/09) check pic 1&2Tell me how they LOOKin case u where wondering i have no IDEAbut if i where to take a guess i'd say "they could be worse",but i'd be thinking their trying to make it but its 2 soon to tellas 4 the dam im expecting her 2 perkup b'cuz of the lost weight and her "babies" R getting much better lighting so she should be happy, ?she should have enough time together? i have narrowed the(pic 3) curling issue down, im gonna make the mods & hope 4 the best 2nite BUT, once again i need ur help " How long should i let them ride on the dry side b4 i ADD WATER" she's about mid eighth week flowereing, 3ft., & i was wondering if u can guess how much more time she needs to finish . i've heard some strains can up till 1o weeks but, my guess she's gonna need @ least 1 or 2 more months. well this is where i would like ur feedback, 2sense, imput...etc. the most. i know i'm way impatient being my 3rd grow & experimenting last minute hopeing 4 a better supply...well..forget it. Hope 2 read from u all

have you checked the marijuana plant problems page? im pritty sure one of those nutrient deficiencies caused leafs do crease inwards like that

and do you check you PH, did you get a ppm meter?

those first 2 pics lead me to believe you have a cures of growing. but then i remembered something i read.... your using MG potting soil 3 month feeder right?

yeah. MG moisture control 3 month feeder. very difficult to not put some of the ferts, when they look real thirsty if u know what i'm saying.i have a ph , moist and light meter but no "tds" or "ppm"meter. gonna start doin my research on those ph is fine all the time for now but no worries i think i should have plenty of time 2 introduce "big bloom i think it is or tiger claw" one of them. thats what im talking about when u measure the moist level how long should it ride on low or dry levels?? & yes i'm doin my research as much as i can 2

take it easy bro no need for the flip off smiley, i was just asking if youd perused it and i didnt really remember which one caused leafs to foli in like that. i just skimmed through a few of those plant problem stickys and something on another site, couldnt find what i was looking for, but im too stoned to stress it right now

how olds the plant?

damn i love google, (but hate having so many damn tabs on my desktop, im baked and its hard to keep em organized, i swear i posted this and looked for what i posted and it wasnt there, then i look at my tabs and its still there. stoned ramblings, you dont care)

anyways google is my best friend, looked around and im almost sure its really bad heat stress. what temp are you running in there?

could maybe do for a small dose of Nitrogen too (checking google for what nutes run out fastest in MG potting soil)

i have a few questions for ya;
1) like KaleoXxX asked, how old are they?
2) how big are the containers you have them in?
3) how often are you watering
4) what's the humidity of the room
To me (and speaking from experience), it looks and sounds like it's root bound. so many people jump to "nute burn" when it really isn't. I had mine in a half gallon container for 3 months when i noticed leaf curl. I looked and looked and everyone was saying it was nute burn. i haven't added any fert for over a month, and they kept getting worse and the moisture meter was showing dry after a day. i asked a local grower about it, and she said "it sounds like it's root bound". I transplanted it in a 5 gallon container and in about 3 days the leaf curling is gone and only have to water every 5 days. Hopefully this helps

I forgot about mentioning that temps might be a bit high. my closet doesn't get above 83F during the day, lately it's averaging 77F and it's flourishing. I try to keep my humidity around 67%

Looks over/underwatered and your temps are too high. Those are both will make the plant wilt like that. Other then that, looks good. Make sure you give it some honey or molasses to fatten those buds

ok let's start with the first issue... HEAT, man, those leaves are curled so tight if you pick it you could roll some bud up in there and smoke it! ok, on a serious note though, you gotta get those temps down and fast. at 8 weeks flowering you're near the end and yes you should have been adding ferts since week one of flowering to increase bud growth.... the problem with just using water is that the plant uses up most of the available ferts in the soil long before you even enter the flowering cycle, so it's important to give it the phosphorous and potash... that's the 2nd two number in the npk... also, a drop or two of superthrive wouldn't hurt during your watering... that's a drop or two per gallon... now those "babies" aren't looking too hot, since they only need a sliver of light to produce roots, if possible i'd put them in a seperate room where the temps are lower and put them under a couple 23w cfl's just to get them rooting, gotta get the humidity up on them so some kind of tuperware or clear plastic cover to hold in the moisture would be great... you can rig up old coke bottle, tuperware, damn near anything (make sure air can get to them too!)... that hardcore curling is gonna stunt growth on the clones and the flowering plant. 95 is really high for a constant temp, especially if the plant isn't getting as much light as it could in that type of heat.... (i.e.... my plant outside has been in temps above 86 for well over 2 months, but it's under sunlight and the winds blowing so it doesn't stress the plant as much)....the big flowering plant is probably close to being ripe if it's 8 weeks in flower.... the best way to tell is to get a pocket microscope and see the trichomes close up... they start clear, turn cloudy, then turn to cloudy/amber, you wana cut her down when she's just starting to see amber on about 1/3 of the trichomes or "crystals"... picking earlier is less of a "couch lock and more of a energetic early morning smoke... picking later with more amber trichs will give you that "couch lock" kind of sleepy/drowsy buzz... or so the theory goes, you'd really have to have a bunch of plants to tell if that's totally true or not, but i can say the ones i pick too early just dont give you a buzz very much even though it tastes almost normal.... goodluck man, get those temps down!!! get some computers fans! scower your crib for old a/c adapaters... like on cordless phones, phone chargers, r/c car charges, etc. little electronic stuff like that uses a/c adapters... you can connect a computer fan to the a/c adapater and plug it right into the wall, not a hurricane wind storm, but it's quiet and moves air!

well i dont know if i can get it ANY LOWER but i got it down to 86degrees 10 less

I'll let my pics do the talkin,ENJOY

got ahold of some tiger bloom extra strenghth 2-8-4 fertilizer and some fox
farms big bloom i added some 2 night i wasnt gonna post any pics but heres some and i know im a dummy i shouldnt have left her a lone so long im very imberest NATURAL pics