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Marijuana is not very punishing in Michigan if your freaked about getting screwed and you look up laws then it seems that you're done. But I have tons of friends that get caught and nothing of what they say online happens usually you'll be okay on first offense
 

panhead

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Wtf are you talking about ?

If you dont have a card , are over legal plant count , over weight count , in possesion of multiple pre weighed bags of weed ect Michigan cops will fuck you up.

I know for a fact the cops will seize everything you own cause they did it to me , i lost my house , cars , motorcycles , bank accounts ect , did a couple years in Jackson & got out to over $30,000 in fines .

If the dudes you know are getting felony drug possesion charges & nothing bad is happening to them you better change friends fast because their snitching their asses off .

Michigan never passes on an opportunity to flece a citizen for every dollar they can , by seizures & or fines but make no mistake the cops here will fuck you up .
 

DemonTrich

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so why cant I meet my patients with multiple bags of medicine bagged up? where the LAW stating I cant do that? shit I can travel with up to 15 zips, each in their own bags if I so desire.

I have 5 legal patients plus myself. 72 plants and up to 15 oz of usable medicine is allowed.
 

TheMan13

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In our modern era of judicial supremacy and their drug war, simple possession of over ounce is somehow considered "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" of the crime of trafficking. They call it a legal precedent and well established it is. If you don't have quite an ounce, they'll say it is individually packed for "distribution" somehow again considering it "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" to get to the crime of trafficking. Don't get caught up in the Constitutional right of Due Process taught in high school, as the actual act of trafficking and the Constitution under this scheme have been rendered simply irrelevant.
I have 5 legal patients plus myself. 72 plants and up to 15 oz of usable medicine is allowed.
That's some pretty low hanging fruit for a federal court. The crime of manufacture and distribution is a step above simple felony trafficking. There your LARA licencing and MMMA mean absolutely nothing and they will bar you from even speaking about it. That's when federal and judicial supremacy meet creating yet another legal precedent (aka what they can get away with regardless of reality).

Let's just think of our judicial system as no different than an organization of criminals such as rippers and attempt to avoid them at all costs. Then again don't ventilate those heavily armed rippers robbing you in uniform, because there is no such thing as self defense against this racket :bigjoint:
 
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HGK420

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In our modern era of judicial supremacy and their drug war, simple possession of over ounce is somehow considered "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" of the crime of trafficking. They call it a legal precedent and well established it is. If you don't have quite an ounce, they'll say it is individually packed for "distribution" somehow again considering it "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" to get to the crime of trafficking. Don't get caught up in the Constitutional right of Due Process taught in high school, as the actual act of trafficking and the Constitution under this scheme have been rendered simply irrelevant.

That's some pretty low hanging fruit for a federal court. The crime of manufacture and distribution is a step above simple felony trafficking. There your LARA licencing and MMMA mean absolutely nothing and they will bar you from even speaking about it. That's when federal and judicial supremacy meet creating yet another legal precedent (aka what they can get away with regardless of reality).

Let's just think of our judicial system as no different than an organization of criminals such as rippers and attempt to avoid them at all costs. Then again don't ventilate those heavily armed rippers robbing you in uniform, because there is no such thing as self defense against this racket :bigjoint:

Actually...in Texas a good ole boy aired out a raiding officer pretty good, like fatally good, when he climbed through the window while serving a no nock warrant concerning a couple plants he might or might not be growing. As far as I know no charges have been or are planned to be brought up over the killing.
 

panhead

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so why cant I meet my patients with multiple bags of medicine bagged up? where the LAW stating I cant do that? shit I can travel with up to 15 zips, each in their own bags if I so desire.

I have 5 legal patients plus myself. 72 plants and up to 15 oz of usable medicine is allowed.
There isnt a law that says you CANT & at the same time there isnt a law that specifically says you CAN , the laws are vague at best & offer zero protection from arrest or seizure .

Im well versed in the law & at one point legally grew 400 plants , ive petitioned the Governor to set aside my felony drug conviction so i could grow for my sick wife , owned & operated a dispensary for 3 yrs , ive been in & outta court so many times we've spent well over $200k in legal fees over the yrs just with Figer Law Firm & another $60k with Manley & Manley law Firm so i know the laws well , i paid to learn them , if you have something of high resale value the cops will seize it & make you prove in court the seizure wasn't legal , most cant afford the huge legal fees to fight the seizure & loose their shit , cops depend on seizure money dearly , you can wave your med card at the tow truck thats hauling your car off if the cops CHOOSE to seize it , then its up to you & how much money you can afford in legal fees to stop them from selling it .

What card holding people are forgetting is the cops enforce the laws how they see fit , they also use the laws loosely in order to self fund their own salaries by seizing valuable items ,the police chief in the City of Linden has openly said dozens of times he dont care about med mj laws & demands his police arrest any & all people possesing mj , even with a card , one of my sons lives on the lake out in Linden & has been raided for growing 10 plants even though he's legal for 12, the prosecutor filed for property seizure but since the home is listed as a rental & owned on paper by an Incorporated company i own they couldnt seize the home without prior use as a drug house or public nuisance , my son showed them his med card , the cops in Frankenmuth routinely arrest everybody with weed to protect the tourists & will boot your door down fast to seize a home .

We have a house in Bloomfield Hills where the cops threatened to smash the iron gate down if i didnt open it because a neighbor reported my wife & i smoking weed on the front porch, we were somking several joints but i denied ever smoking weed & showed them my cigarettes, they asked permission to go inside & look for drugs which we promptly denied , that put us on their radar .

They also were going to murder both our registered American Bulldog Attack dogs because the meter reader from Con Ed couldn't access the property , its a gated property as most are in Bloomfield Hills with digital meters that can be read remotely , we pulled in just as a cop was drawing a bead on 1 dog with his 12 gauge & honked the fuk outta the horn so he wouldn't shoot , to this day i suspect the cops needed an excuse to get on the property & then claim they smelled weed , then search the home for another grow since i was the owner of a dispensary , i know they were looking for a reason to seize the property , sell it & pay all their salaries for a year or more .

Then the same cops came to our door looking for my son who hasnt lived at home in 22 yrs & claimed they saw drug paraphernalia & busted their way in damaging a $3,000 door , they terrified my wife , threatened to kill her helper dog & tried seizing a 4 ft tall 6 person hooka that was hand made for her in Lebanon by a master hooka carver, we showed them our med cards & were told to shut up ,the glowing paraphernalia they saw was my fukin Mcintosh stereo gear watt meters ,the hooka bowl is huge & had about an ounce in it along with a bunch of chunks of hash , the hash they tried claiming was black tar heroin ,if my extremely wealthy surgeon neighbor who likes us wouldnt of came over & started questioning the cops about harassing a sick woman in a wheel chair & taking cell phone video they woulda arrested us , instead a sergeant showed up & issued us an appearance ticket & seized the contents from the hooka for testing for heroin , we showed the sergeant our med cards as well to no avail, the judge looked at our cards , the lab results showing thc & dismissed the charges but it still cost me $5,200 in legal fees ,our lawyer tried to get the court to pay for the damaged door & was denied with the judge defending the cops smashing the window wall of the door & then kicking the door open after they unlocked it , he said since i refused entry to the cops who were trying to serve an arrest warrant ( Traffic Warrant ) & their sight of paraphernalia that I WAS AT FAULT for property damage , if the test woulda showed anything other than thc or either one of us not have a med card the home woulda been seized & sold .

The asshole cops is Davidson pulled the wife & i over while riding our bikes & discovered a few joints in my wifes saddle bag & told us that bike was being impounded until the joints were tested ,davidson cops refused to even look at our med cards ,they then inspected my 1952 Panhead & discovered no front brake & supposedly no clutch , i pointed out that the bike has a clutch but you use your foot instead of hand grip clutch & that its factory oem equipment up until 1953 , they declared the bike non road worthy & unsafe to operate & impounded both bikes , they planned on selling them off & it cost me over $10 k in legal fees getting the bikes back , the Panhead alone is worth over $50k ,they wanted it & fought hard to keep it , the weed & supposed faulty equipment was the reasons for seizures & they even went as far as trying to introduce new hearsay evidence of
us being under the influence while driving yet no feild sobriety tests were done , they tested the contents of the joints as well , obviously our lawyer objected & we got our bikes back but not without fighting the seizure & spending huge amounts of cash .

At our summer place in Frankenmuth they knocked on our door demanding we put up the 2 attack dogs that roam the property or they would kill them both , after i locked the dogs in the kennel me & my wife were both held at gun point by a cop with an assault rifle while a bunch of other cops demolished several sections of privacy fence behind the barn to get at the 6 massive bushes i had growing legally , the plants were behind a barn in the back of 20 acres bordering forest in a 12 ft high enclosure , the plants were in a gated & locked enclosure that was 700 ft from the road & in no way visable to the public,i was in compliance with the law but they chopped my plants anyway & refused to acknowledge our rights to grow , i spent another $6,500 in legal fees winning that case & didnt get compensation for the product or damage to property .

I bought my wife a Jaguar xjr coupe for our 35th anniversary , its a 400 hp turbocharged car so i couldnt resist opening it up on I-69 comming back from the hospital in Ann Arbor & got clocked at 120 mph, i had a few grams & a one hitter in the glove box , Ann Arbor has a law where small amounts under an ounce is a misdemeanor yet the State Police still impounded the car & then filed for seizure of the vehicle, 7 months & another fat wad of legal fees & we got the car back with menthol cigarette butts in the ashtray & the tank on empty , some fukin cop was driving our car ! They were so sure they were gonna get to keep the car it was stored at the state police post instead of an impound lot , had i not been able to spend $10k proving the seizure was invalid the car woulda been sold .

Cops enforce the laws in Michigan how they see fit & will arrest you & damage your property knowing the case will get thrown out of court if you hire good a lawyer , they count on people not being able or willing to spend the legal fees to fight them ,most cant afford to prove the seizure invalid, that med card means nothing against seizure laws , nothing ! , thats why i hire Figer Law Firm for everything so the courts can see im seroius about keeping whats mine & its gonna cost them a fortune to keep my shit .

The dude who posted this thread exclaiming Michigan is such a cool state with very relaxed Mj laws is not well informed , if his friends who got arrested for felony drug possesion & didnt get their vehicles impounded , seized & sold its because the cars were pos or they were snitching hard , the cops here have been stealing my shit for over 40 yrs & will do it to anybody with something of high resale value , nobody listen to the origional post in this thread because its dangerously misleading information .
 

HGK420

Well-Known Member
There isnt a law that says you CANT & at the same time there isnt a law that specifically says you CAN , the laws are vague at best & offer zero protection from arrest or seizure .

Im well versed in the law & at one point legally grew 400 plants , ive petitioned the Governor to set aside my felony drug conviction so i could grow for my sick wife , owned & operated a dispensary for 3 yrs , ive been in & outta court so many times we've spent well over $200k in legal fees over the yrs just with Figer Law Firm & another $60k with Manley & Manley law Firm so i know the laws well , i paid to learn them , if you have something of high resale value the cops will seize it & make you prove in court the seizure wasn't legal , most cant afford the huge legal fees to fight the seizure & loose their shit , cops depend on seizure money dearly , you can wave your med card at the tow truck thats hauling your car off if the cops CHOOSE to seize it , then its up to you & how much money you can afford in legal fees to stop them from selling it .

What card holding people are forgetting is the cops enforce the laws how they see fit , they also use the laws loosely in order to self fund their own salaries by seizing valuable items ,the police chief in the City of Linden has openly said dozens of times he dont care about med mj laws & demands his police arrest any & all people possesing mj , even with a card , one of my sons lives on the lake out in Linden & has been raided for growing 10 plants even though he's legal for 12, the prosecutor filed for property seizure but since the home is listed as a rental & owned on paper by an Incorporated company i own they couldnt seize the home without prior use as a drug house or public nuisance , my son showed them his med card , the cops in Frankenmuth routinely arrest everybody with weed to protect the tourists & will boot your door down fast to seize a home .

We have a house in Bloomfield Hills where the cops threatened to smash the iron gate down if i didnt open it because a neighbor reported my wife & i smoking weed on the front porch, we were somking several joints but i denied ever smoking weed & showed them my cigarettes, they asked permission to go inside & look for drugs which we promptly denied , that put us on their radar .

They also were going to murder both our registered American Bulldog Attack dogs because the meter reader from Con Ed couldn't access the property , its a gated property as most are in Bloomfield Hills with digital meters that can be read remotely , we pulled in just as a cop was drawing a bead on 1 dog with his 12 gauge & honked the fuk outta the horn so he wouldn't shoot , to this day i suspect the cops needed an excuse to get on the property & then claim they smelled weed , then search the home for another grow since i was the owner of a dispensary , i know they were looking for a reason to seize the property , sell it & pay all their salaries for a year or more .

Then the same cops came to our door looking for my son who hasnt lived at home in 22 yrs & claimed they saw drug paraphernalia & busted their way in damaging a $3,000 door , they terrified my wife , threatened to kill her helper dog & tried seizing a 4 ft tall 6 person hooka that was hand made for her in Lebanon by a master hooka carver, we showed them our med cards & were told to shut up ,the glowing paraphernalia they saw was my fukin Mcintosh stereo gear watt meters ,the hooka bowl is huge & had about an ounce in it along with a bunch of chunks of hash , the hash they tried claiming was black tar heroin ,if my extremely wealthy surgeon neighbor who likes us wouldnt of came over & started questioning the cops about harassing a sick woman in a wheel chair & taking cell phone video they woulda arrested us , instead a sergeant showed up & issued us an appearance ticket & seized the contents from the hooka for testing for heroin , we showed the sergeant our med cards as well to no avail, the judge looked at our cards , the lab results showing thc & dismissed the charges but it still cost me $5,200 in legal fees ,our lawyer tried to get the court to pay for the damaged door & was denied with the judge defending the cops smashing the window wall of the door & then kicking the door open after they unlocked it , he said since i refused entry to the cops who were trying to serve an arrest warrant ( Traffic Warrant ) & their sight of paraphernalia that I WAS AT FAULT for property damage , if the test woulda showed anything other than thc or either one of us not have a med card the home woulda been seized & sold .

The asshole cops is Davidson pulled the wife & i over while riding our bikes & discovered a few joints in my wifes saddle bag & told us that bike was being impounded until the joints were tested ,davidson cops refused to even look at our med cards ,they then inspected my 1952 Panhead & discovered no front brake & supposedly no clutch , i pointed out that the bike has a clutch but you use your foot instead of hand grip clutch & that its factory oem equipment up until 1953 , they declared the bike non road worthy & unsafe to operate & impounded both bikes , they planned on selling them off & it cost me over $10 k in legal fees getting the bikes back , the Panhead alone is worth over $50k ,they wanted it & fought hard to keep it , the weed & supposed faulty equipment was the reasons for seizures & they even went as far as trying to introduce new hearsay evidence of
us being under the influence while driving yet no feild sobriety tests were done , they tested the contents of the joints as well , obviously our lawyer objected & we got our bikes back but not without fighting the seizure & spending huge amounts of cash .

At our summer place in Frankenmuth they knocked on our door demanding we put up the 2 attack dogs that roam the property or they would kill them both , after i locked the dogs in the kennel me & my wife were both held at gun point by a cop with an assault rifle while a bunch of other cops demolished several sections of privacy fence behind the barn to get at the 6 massive bushes i had growing legally , the plants were behind a barn in the back of 20 acres bordering forest in a 12 ft high enclosure , the plants were in a gated & locked enclosure that was 700 ft from the road & in no way visable to the public,i was in compliance with the law but they chopped my plants anyway & refused to acknowledge our rights to grow , i spent another $6,500 in legal fees winning that case & didnt get compensation for the product or damage to property .

I bought my wife a Jaguar xjr coupe for our 35th anniversary , its a 400 hp turbocharged car so i couldnt resist opening it up on I-69 comming back from the hospital in Ann Arbor & got clocked at 120 mph, i had a few grams & a one hitter in the glove box , Ann Arbor has a law where small amounts under an ounce is a misdemeanor yet the State Police still impounded the car & then filed for seizure of the vehicle, 7 months & another fat wad of legal fees & we got the car back with menthol cigarette butts in the ashtray & the tank on empty , some fukin cop was driving our car ! They were so sure they were gonna get to keep the car it was stored at the state police post instead of an impound lot , had i not been able to spend $10k proving the seizure was invalid the car woulda been sold .

Cops enforce the laws in Michigan how they see fit & will arrest you & damage your property knowing the case will get thrown out of court if you hire good a lawyer , they count on people not being able or willing to spend the legal fees to fight them ,most cant afford to prove the seizure invalid, that med card means nothing against seizure laws , nothing ! , thats why i hire Figer Law Firm for everything so the courts can see im seroius about keeping whats mine & its gonna cost them a fortune to keep my shit .

The dude who posted this thread exclaiming Michigan is such a cool state with very relaxed Mj laws is not well informed , if his friends who got arrested for felony drug possesion & didnt get their vehicles impounded , seized & sold its because the cars were pos or they were snitching hard , the cops here have been stealing my shit for over 40 yrs & will do it to anybody with something of high resale value , nobody listen to the origional post in this thread because its dangerously misleading information .


Just a question, out of general curiosity, do you like have a swastika tattooed on your forehead? Do you growl at cops and give them dirty looks? Terrettes where you always say "Fuckin pigs!"?

I'm just asking because it seems every time you run into the police they come at you bro? Did you run for sheriff or mayor or any other office and piss off the guy that won? I've had several run ins, albeit in flint/burton ares, without issues. It sounds to me like someone put a big "F YOU" in your file a wile back, ever date a cops sister? Mom? Man best of luck to ya brother.
 

HGK420

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Actually...in Texas a good ole boy aired out a raiding officer pretty good, like fatally good, when he climbed through the window while serving a no nock warrant concerning a couple plants he might or might not be growing. As far as I know no charges have been or are planned to be brought up over the killing.
Ya .000001% even lol. I guess in this particular case the guy threw the window jumped the gun a little bits and got lit up with ole boys wheel gun. MY GUESS is old boy realized what was going on after and a half empty wheel gun vs a raid squad isn't a good day, lucky for him the next few through the door waited and a mini standoff took place and he was able to give up. Lucky lucky lucky lucky lucky lucky and just lemme repeat LUCKIEST mofo in Texas lol.
 

qwizoking

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No that actually happens often in tx. You can easily shoot someone entering your home even property under certain circumstances. Often cops dont announce themselves and get lit up.


Anyway i felt like sharing..

So back in Sept idk last fall. One of my spots got raided. I had just shown up, seen cops surround the house and go into the backyard.. couple minutes later they enter the house guns drawn, from front and back...
Nothing was said till they yelled hands up, already in the bedroom i was in with that thing shoved in my face.. black electrical tape over names and badge numbers. No warrant!...they took 2 of the boys they were trying to get for a while, one completely innocent. And on bullshit charges/description.. apparently a skinny black kid with a big ass fro looks just like me..hint im white.. so they let me and another guy go, saying we were probly just there buying weed lmao.
Those 2 guys got hit with 40years and bail at 550,000.
Almost got it thrown in court, but after "months of investigation" they added up other charges.. obviously theres alot to the story but you get the idea
 

panhead

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Just a question, out of general curiosity, do you like have a swastika tattooed on your forehead? Do you growl at cops and give them dirty looks? Terrettes where you always say "Fuckin pigs!"?

I'm just asking because it seems every time you run into the police they come at you bro? Did you run for sheriff or mayor or any other office and piss off the guy that won? I've had several run ins, albeit in flint/burton ares, without issues. It sounds to me like someone put a big "F YOU" in your file a wile back, ever date a cops sister? Mom? Man best of luck to ya brother.
Im a 2 time felon with an attempted murder conviction & my looks make me stand out like a sore thumb so i get pulled over alot when they run my plate , my brother rides with the Outlaws Mc & since ive been convicted of manufacturing the cops consider me a known associate of organized crime , ive actually been told that by an investigator, another issue is where we live , Bloomfield Hills is full of Doctors , Lawyers , Judges & famlies with old money ,its like Fenton x 100, im the only 6ft bald headed tattooed from the neck down biker that lives there , and my wife is a Lebanese National who wears ethnic clothing alot of the time so we surely dont fukin blend , same thing with our summer place in Frankenmuth , lotsa tourism in Frankenmuth & they dont like our type .

The main deal is they know we have money & expensive homes & they want them , their convinced my money was earned illegally & have been fukin with me for yrs even though i had a high dollar job for 32 yrs .

Now dig this , if your from Burton & the cops know you grow the shit outta weed but cant prove it ,then a few yrs later you buy a home on Lake Fenton the cops are gonna be looking at you hard , especially if they think they can seize your $million plus dollar home on the lake , it gets to the point the cops make up shit just hoping to find you slipping so they can seize your assets .

Most dont realize it but asset seizure makes up over 25% of leo yearly budget & its big business , so big that they even seize vehicles for picking up hookers now , its all about what they can take from you .

I should add for clarification that im 63 yrs old , this shit with cops has been going on for over 40 yrs .
 
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HGK420

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Im a 2 time felon with an attempted murder conviction & my looks make me stand out like a sore thumb so i get pulled over alot when they run my plate , my brother rides with the Outlaws Mc & since ive been convicted of manufacturing the cops consider me a known associate of organized crime , ive actually been told that by an investigator, another issue is where we live , Bloomfield Hills is full of Doctors , Lawyers , Judges & famlies with old money ,its like Fenton x 100, im the only 6ft bald headed tattooed from the neck down biker that lives there , and my wife is a Lebanese National who wears ethnic clothing alot of the time so we surely dont fukin blend , same thing with our summer place in Frankenmuth , lotsa tourism in Frankenmuth & they dont like our type .

The main deal is they know we have money & expensive homes & they want them , their convinced my money was earned illegally & have been fukin with me for yrs even though i had a high dollar job for 32 yrs .

Now dig this , if your from Burton & the cops know you grow the shit outta weed but cant prove it ,then a few yrs later you buy a home on Lake Fenton the cops are gonna be looking at you hard , especially if they think they can seize your $million plus dollar home on the lake , it gets to the point the cops make up shit just hoping to find you slipping so they can seize your assets .

Most dont realize it but asset seizure makes up over 25% of leo yearly budget & its big business , so big that they even seize vehicles for picking up hookers now , its all about what they can take from you .

I should add for clarification that im 63 yrs old , this shit with cops has been going on for over 40 yrs .

Ono they proved I was growing. 3 different occasions LEOs have toured my garden. You hit the nail on the head with the organized crime connection. I had a buddy get I. Trouble running around with a group of bikers and his life is upside down because of it. A bar brawl turned into all kinds of crazy charges he had to fight and even tho he wo. He's been harassed by every officer he's ran into since.

There are certain steps that can be taken, your aware of them obviously by their inability to nab one of your houses, so I'm gonna just keep proactive and always try to never be the guy they want. It's very possible to have your experience in our world of MMMJ be like the OP's but it's pretty rare.
 

panhead

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I fuck with my brother alot when we visit each other , he wore the Detroit bottom rocker for decades but since moving to Texas he wears a nomad bottom rocker , i allways tell him that im gonna have my wife change his patch from MC to MG while he sleeps , he dont like it none too much :bigjoint:
 
April Fools day is past us now and there is no truth to this statement in general.. Sure we have medical laws and a few cities that have decriminalized but with this said your blanket statement is psuedo and just may lead even a medical grower into a trap..

I know plenty of legal growers and patients with court dates due to the gestapo here in Mi.. You might want to write a Thank You to Shutte about Mi being a free for all.. Rick would be happy to hear this as well being that he has been at war with the medical comm since our inception !
 

Skylor

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why I wiII not grow my own, sure I spend weII over $1,000 each year, that isn't cooI but

BTW, its best not to Carry any in your car but when U must, try not to spee....going 120 mph is pushing it big time
 

Skylor

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How come using a telephone to break the Iaw isn't a crime in its seIf yet using a computer is ????

The US has some messed up Iaws that make IittIe sense
 

Dr.Pecker

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why I wiII not grow my own, sure I spend weII over $1,000 each year, that isn't cooI but

BTW, its best not to Carry any in your car but when U must, try not to spee....going 120 mph is pushing it big time
You would spend that much growing it.
 
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