Thanks heaps guys, why i like this page/forum always learning. 3 of these are 30%brown receding pistils, the trichs are just starting to go cloudy im thinking easy 2weeks but how to you judge a time too start dialling back before chop. Im not use that much nutes right now and after your guys comments will be dialling back more so only thinking 8 days of plain water. Do you guys go right, they are all cloudy starting to amber by the time 8days is finish i predict 'this' is going to be how they will be and judge off that?