Day/Night Temperatures

Uncle Ben

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Some of you guys need to do less posting in cannabis forums and more research about botany.

The rates of photosynthesis and respiration are influenced by many factors, e.g. light, temperature, carbon dioxide, relative humidity, etc. Therefore, temperature cannot be considered in isolation and any statement about an optimum temperature for growth of a given crop cannot be made.

The interaction of factors affecting plant growth is explained based on Blackman’s Principle of Limiting Factors: the rate of a process influenced by many separate factors is limited by the pace of the slowest factor.

In the greenhouse, specific day/ night temperatures are maintained for each flower crop to obtain profitable growth and market quality. Night temperatures have traditionally been stressed in recommendations because plants grow more at night than during the day.

The growth of many plants can occur over a wide range of temperatures. This range may be defined at three basic levels: 1) a minimum temperature below which no growth occurs, 2) an optimum temperature at which the greatest growth occurs, and 3) a maximum temperature above which no growth occurs. Growth rate increases above the minimum temperature until an optimum is reached, then declines until the maximum temperature is reached. The minimum, optimum, and maximum temperatures varies widely among plant species.

Most plants do not respond in the same way to temperature at all stages of growth. Generally, seed germination and early seedling growth occurs most rapidly at warmer temperatures. These same warm temperatures may be detrimental to growth as the plant matures. Young plants have a large leaf area (photosynthetic tissues) compared to stem and root area (respiration tissues). High relative photosynthetic area and warm temperatures favors carbohydrate production and utilization for growth. However, when plants get older, there is more stem and root area (respiration tissues) to leaf area so cooler temperature favor growth by reducing respiration. Plants in a vegetative stage of growth generally have a warmer temperature optimum than those in a reproductive stage. Different parts of the same plant may also have different optimum temperatures for growth. Thus, root growth may show a different response from shoot growth.


http://www.ag.auburn.edu/hort/landscape/temperature.html
 

Uncle Ben

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i would really like to see you do an indoor grow with 40 degree swings i know thats not what u said BUT the point is this is for indoor not everything that happens outdoor applies
No, that's not what I said. You're beginning to sound like Obama. :) In my tweeks, I recommend a happy medium of about a 10 - 20F DIF and gave the reason for my madness which is backed up by scientific data (see my previous post).

Gardening is about managing the balance regarding ALL factors. Too much light is just as bad as too little. Too high temps or too low temps are bad, etc. My Spin-Out thread speaks for itself regarding my understanding of how to balance cultural factors.

UB
 

Rob0769

Active Member
Hey UB. My day temps are a constant 77 and nighttime temps of 69. Lights are on during the day. I have tried getting the night temp down but I can't. If I change the ac to just blow air at night when it is 50 degrees outside the tent goes up to 80 degrees. So the ac is on 24/7. Is my temp difference ok or am I only hurting my yield possibly with a 8 degree difference. I can try flipping my schedule and turning the ac colder so it doesn't freeze at night. My plants are 9" tall Grand Daddy Purps.. if you know the conditions they like? I have just found they like mild ppm's and lower temps so far.
 

Uncle Ben

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Hey UB. My day temps are a constant 77 and nighttime temps of 69. Lights are on during the day. I have tried getting the night temp down but I can't. If I change the ac to just blow air at night when it is 50 degrees outside the tent goes up to 80 degrees. So the ac is on 24/7. Is my temp difference ok or am I only hurting my yield possibly with a 8 degree difference. I can try flipping my schedule and turning the ac colder so it doesn't freeze at night. My plants are 9" tall Grand Daddy Purps.. if you know the conditions they like? I have just found they like mild ppm's and lower temps so far.
You could do what I did and not use a tent and only grow during the winter. Nothing wrong with your 77/60 IMO. We're splitting hairs here.
 

beginner.legal.growop

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So you know the chemistry of molasses, and the amount, to be the same as what's produced during photosynthesis? Look, the plant manufactures its own proteins, carbos, enzymes, vitamins, etc. It does not need or really want your help. The worse gardens I see are those giving them some snake oil crap hawked by a cannabis specific vendor sold to some noob that has dreams of "big buds".

UB

Ressurecting a 2 year old thread to say. Throughout years of studying the effect molasses and other sugars have on cannabis. Well the carbs dont help the plant at first sure, but they stimulate the microorganism in the soil which in turn stimulates the plant. The carbs are then broken down into a form the plant can actually use. I have never heard of this "snake oil crap" but I have seen, first hand, the effect sugars have on a plant during its vegetative/flowering stages. You can go to your local community college and sign up for a horticulture and plant science class for $100 dollars a class and learn more then what some of these people have to tell you.

I will say this once, UB, you are an idiot for saying that plants do not benefit from us. You can, in fact, increase a plants protein, carb, enymze, and vitamin production. If you read this, I would like you to show me where in any book that it says plants can not have increased proteins, carbos, enzymes, and vitamin production.
 

homebrewer

Well-Known Member
Ressurecting a 2 year old thread to say. Throughout years of studying the effect molasses and other sugars have on cannabis. Well the carbs dont help the plant at first sure, but they stimulate the microorganism in the soil which in turn stimulates the plant. The carbs are then broken down into a form the plant can actually use. I have never heard of this "snake oil crap" but I have seen, first hand, the effect sugars have on a plant during its vegetative/flowering stages. You can go to your local community college and sign up for a horticulture and plant science class for $100 dollars a class and learn more then what some of these people have to tell you.

I will say this once, UB, you are an idiot for saying that plants do not benefit from us. You can, in fact, increase a plants protein, carb, enymze, and vitamin production. If you read this, I would like you to show me where in any book that it says plants can not have increased proteins, carbos, enzymes, and vitamin production.
One thing's for sure, you're definitely a beginner.
 

beginner.legal.growop

Well-Known Member
One thing's for sure, you're definitely a beginner.

Growing cannabis maybe, about 2-3 years experience. About 15 years experience with other plants and fungi. Including, psilocybin mushrooms, sage, angel trumpets, I even screwed around with peyote cacti for awhile... Thats all in the past, now I am focused on cannabis.

That's funny you highlighted the part that should be common sense. If I put molasses in my soil the plant will not just suck it up. The whole point is for the microbes in your soil. Here is a good read if you would like to learn about molasses. http://www.thesoilguy.com/SG/Molasses

here is another http://www.brighthub.com/environment/green-living/articles/86903.aspx

and another http://www.agriculturesolutions.ca/bio-stimulants/buffalo-molasses

I could go on all day. So if you are saying I am beginner for what I said that you put in bold, hahaha your an idiot too. Keep doing what your doing and I will continue to do what I am doing. Half of the shit some of you people put on this forum is hearsay anyway...
 

beginner.legal.growop

Well-Known Member
So you've been growing for 2-3 years and all the further you've made it is autos in your bathtub? You're in the wrong forum, pal.

You might want to start here: https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/
Well if you would have read the thread I clearly state that I have only been doing indoor for maybe 2 months now. I am used to outdoor. No need to compare dick size so I wont even begin to tell you what I have done. I will just let you keep on believing what you want to believe.

Have a nice day!
 

Uncle Ben

Well-Known Member
Growing cannabis maybe, about 2-3 years experience. About 15 years experience with other plants and fungi. Including, psilocybin mushrooms, sage, angel trumpets, I even screwed around with peyote cacti for awhile... Thats all in the past, now I am focused on cannabis.

That's funny you highlighted the part that should be common sense. If I put molasses in my soil the plant will not just suck it up. The whole point is for the microbes in your soil. Here is a good read if you would like to learn about molasses. http://www.thesoilguy.com/SG/Molasses

here is another http://www.brighthub.com/environment/green-living/articles/86903.aspx

and another http://www.agriculturesolutions.ca/bio-stimulants/buffalo-molasses

I could go on all day. So if you are saying I am beginner for what I said that you put in bold, hahaha your an idiot too. Keep doing what your doing and I will continue to do what I am doing. Half of the shit some of you people put on this forum is hearsay anyway...
Check out my posts. I covered all that while you was still messin' in your drawers. I have found no real world value in using molasses drenches and I did a control group. You're reading too much forum crap and believing it. I have a thread on myco fungi and Superthrive aka Superjive.

UB
 

burgertime2010

Well-Known Member
I want some wisdom, give me a slice of the masters guilded pizza. Fact is, newbies and the misinformed are the majority here. The bullshit is overwhelming and the truth repels most like in real life I suppose. I am not a newbie and obviously nor are you, however our methods are at odds. So lets argue, it will be a learning experience hopefully. I am by your words failing, indulge me in the truth as you see it. Lets talk about techno-tomatoes, jet fuel, and how we like to skin our cats.
 

stusghost

Member
Originally Posted by beginner.legal.growop
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Enough said....
 

sheik yerbouti

Active Member
Not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet but taking control of your day night temperature can help you manipulate your plants to do exactly what you want. The more temperature swing the more rapid the growth but the more distance between internodes. If you can control the day night temp swings you can add stretch when you want and control stretch as well. I've never been able to experiment with this as I just use an exhaust fan to control temps and my night temps are usually a lot colder than day so I'm at the mercy of the environment. This article goes into more detail about it.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1536.html
 

beginner.legal.growop

Well-Known Member
Enough said....
bahahahhahaha. This is coming from the guy growing in drawers using CFL's... Not even using Grow CFLs, using small 24w CFL's...

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Uncle Ben, I respect you, but molasses does a load for the microbes in your soil. 1000's of studies have been done, they even teach it in Horticulture classes. Micro activity goes up 50-60% when sugars are added to living soil. Molasses also contains potassium and sulfur...

1 Tbsp per week at feeding is very helpful in living soil, end of story. Do not argue, if you do you are wrong.

And stusghost your probably using Miracle grow... Your also an 18 year old kid who lives at home with his grandpa...
Goodbye! Have a nice day everyone!
 

Impman

Well-Known Member
My second grow was in my garage in a 'grow tent'. I had a 24,000 BTU AC I thought would be enough. I made a horrible mistake and thought I could beat the summer heat by running my lights at night to save electricity. What happen was my little AC could not keep the 'night' times temps low enough. It was 100 degrees outside and my grow tent was only getting down to 78 degrees at the plants night time temps. BUT when my plants lights came on the grow tent temp was down to 72-75 degrees. So the Night temp for my plants was 3 degrees higher than the day temp. WHAT A DISASTER! It cost me a fortune on electricity bill and my crop was beyond screwed. It was so bad I almost quit growing forever... Until I started reading Uncle Ben's posts which turned my whole life around really.
 

R.Raider

Well-Known Member
Not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet but taking control of your day night temperature can help you manipulate your plants to do exactly what you want. The more temperature swing the more rapid the growth but the more distance between internodes. If you can control the day night temp swings you can add stretch when you want and control stretch as well. I've never been able to experiment with this as I just use an exhaust fan to control temps and my night temps are usually a lot colder than day so I'm at the mercy of the environment. This article goes into more detail about it.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1536.html
Thx for the post man, I found this to be the most informational post realted to the topic of all 6 pages.
 

BigDaddy84

New Member
see im placed in a kinda fucked situation , i live in a hot state in the south so when i flip i will have to choose if i want the 12 lights on hours to be in the day when it will be hotter to cool or the night when it will be easier. The decision is an important one because if i have them on durring the day it will be MUCH harder to cool the room , but the night temperatures will drop 10-15 degrees basically implementing that temp drop theory senior ben has up there. If i leave the lights on at night the temps will drop to about 75 ... but during the day with the lights off i fear the will go anywhere from 75+ to 85. so what to do? id like to see some better answers here so i can figure it out! good thread man!

Dro
Jst remember bro, if you manage to get temps down your rh rises. Theres no sweet spot in your case(our case, as im in same boat), i use an evap cooler feeding air in, 2 dehumidifiers connected to ink bird humidity controller with another inkbird temp controller monitoring temps, funny thing is i get colder temps when lights on(come on at night), than during the day when they sleeping. Doesnt seem to bother them so long as you keep the rh under control.
 
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