dea to schedule kratom as schedule 1

ROOSTERMAN

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whitebb2727 said:
Doubtful. Most seeds are not viable. That's the general consensus online.

I don't doubt they sell them. I doubt them being viable.

Have you sprouted or grown any?.
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Whoops, sorry I thought you were talking about salvia.their


But .... You are mostly correct about kratom as seeds are generally non-viable by the time they hit the US, but not always for unknown reasons

Myself and several others, have had luck with germinating M Specosia seeds from batches of crushed leaf where seed pods were found, mater fact where you see people selling cuts of any M Specosia thats not a rifat or bumble bee it was likely grown in that manner. althow their are cases of misidentification as M Hurticma (spelled very wrong) and some other very closely related species have seeds that stay viable much longer.
 
miketaco

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funny story about kratom... i guess its all about the brand we are having so many discount sales for this its crazy... i purchased so many types and brands extracts ect. and one bag claimed x60 extraction and well my girl didnt look at the package and took a couple and it said to take just one and it didnt even phase her but our normal bali style non extract keep in mind not the one in my pic different brand dose more damage(still weak just smoke its your better off) and we got other extracts ill post pics soon im just lazy and chillin on this kratom tea's right now also i need to clip my nails just in case :P
 
BustinScales510

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Are the prepackaged capsules mixed or diluted with anything else? When I hear about people having weak experiences with kratom it is usually from some store bought stuff like that. Ive only ever ordered the powder/ground up leaf online and it has always been plenty potent (I mainly stick with the fast red veined varieties, the green seem less effective). With no tolerance 3-4 grams gives a good opiate type buzz, more than that makes me nauseous.
 
ROOSTERMAN

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Some people just dont get anything from kratom for whatever reasons. Ex opiate addicts (myself) usually seem to like it I quess their bodys are more intune to the effects.

Store bought stuff has a reputation for being weak and expensive. The pre-capped stuff varry's by manufacturer but should say on the package if it's anything but kratom, But who knows with some of that head shop stuff


Be carefull with the extracts particularly the isolates as they can be unexpectedly powerfull, The 60x is most likely not a 'extract' but a extract that has ben enhanced with isolates
 
miketaco

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BustinScales510 said:
Are the prepackaged capsules mixed or diluted with anything else? When I hear about people having weak experiences with kratom it is usually from some store bought stuff like that. Ive only ever ordered the powder/ground up leaf online and it has always been plenty potent (I mainly stick with the fast red veined varieties, the green seem less effective). With no tolerance 3-4 grams gives a good opiate type buzz, more than that makes me nauseous.
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i got a little of both raw powder and caps and one with the label enhanced extract check em out starting on the left is the enhanced extract indo and i was told this is a killer and was pretty weak sauce in the middle is another extract lose powder and this is a lot better but still have to take a lot in order to get effects then to the right is classic bali and this is not an extract and its better i think then the others but eh i just kind of mixed a little of em all last night and had a pretty chill time like ive said people are just better off spending the cash on some good smoke over this stuff im only buying cause im sober and need to stay this way but ill have my fun for now with this stuff :P no matter what still pretty weak but i can catch a nice chill vibe off of them on a empty stomach and woah 3 grams at a time O.O chesus rice bro i just try and stick to what the label says which varys between the packages the lose powder when full is label 3 grams if i was to take all that at once it probably be party central if i was to attempt that and it state's only take one spoon full (which i thought was cool looking) a day but i take around that and a little more later on that day
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racerboy71

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ROOSTERMAN said:
Kratom is nothing short of a miracle drug for many people including myself, Sure it has side effects but so does anything else. At the end of the day it's about picking whats right for yourself, not letting someone else make that choice.

they have no real proof that kratom is any more dangerous than coffee or the bag it comes in, But theirs a ton of documented evidence that it's beneficial for many people/conditions.

By outlawing this drug the government is pushing hundreds of thousands of people back on the drugs that they have escaped addiction from, This is just what America need's right now.

Please Sign the Petitions The first one being most important , And contact all relevant agency's.

--- https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/please-do-not-make-kratom-schedule-i-substance?utm_campaign=URGENT%3A++Kratom+Schedule+1_57c5cefc597ed73d10aad81b&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter

--- https://www.change.org/p/food-and-drug-administration-stop-the-dea-s-scheduling-of-kratom-september-30th?recruiter=591540623&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink

--- https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-power-scheduling-dea


For contacting all the relavant agencys please see the below links for the email addreses and templates to make the letter eazy to write

--- http://www.botanicallegaldefense.org/

--- http://www.americankratom.org/

Thank You
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what kind of side effects are associated with kratom use m8?
 
Bublonichronic

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Anyone try to extract it themselves ? I was wanting to try a a/b extract using sodium hydroxide and hydrocloric acid but never got around to it...also wanted to try just a etoh extract too
 
ROOSTERMAN

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racerboy71 said:
what kind of side effects are associated with kratom use m8?
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Constipation,
at higher doses you can get something called the 'wobbles' where your vision is altered like you have a hard time focusing, and nausea. Beyond that is not realy possible with oral ingestion becouse you would just puke it up.

I have ben useing 4-8grams powdered leaf every 4-5 hours for at least 7 years straight, the only side effects I get are constipation and 5-6 times a year the 'wobbles' .
I also have not had a herion habit in that time either, Like so many others
 
ROOSTERMAN

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Bublonichronic said:
Anyone try to extract it themselves ? I was wanting to try a a/b extract using sodium hydroxide and hydrocloric acid but never got around to it...also wanted to try just a etoh extract too
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I do when I recieve leaf that is sub-par which is not offten

My kratom extracts come out good but not efficient at all

The stem&vein can produce some clean crystals rather eazly thow

Their are a few teck's with pictures over at the nexus, as well as several patents online that give process, Im no chemist but their does not seem to be any special process that are nessary

Alcohols work well but come out heavy with resion which does not agree with my stomach and a NP wash seems to remove some goods.

Good luck
 
Bublonichronic

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Yea but if you could get a nice smokable base that be tits, suprised it's gonna be illegal before people started makin it smokable or able to iv
 
ttystikk

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tampee said:
That right there is probably why it's now illegal think of how much business the methadone clinics and Suboxone doctors would miss out on if people knew Kratom works better for withdrawals.

Much like Iboga which is illegal in America and is not a recreational drug but it will make you kick heroin with a single high dose.

Methadone and Suboxone are both worse for withdrawals then heroin itself and I happen to know people who have been on that shit for must be over 5 years by now. The DEA don't want us drug free they will lose their fucking jobs. Lol
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The only minor point I disagree with here is that it's the pharmaceutical giants who lobby to schedule things like kratom, because it's THEIR profits at risk.
 
ROOSTERMAN

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Bublonichronic said:
Yea but if you could get a nice smokable base that be tits, suprised it's gonna be illegal before people started makin it smokable or able to iv
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Their used to be some pre-made products to 'vape' I never tryed them, but their was a lot of discussion about weather it even worked that way, alot of people claim it/extracts cant be smoked. But most of the regular users are traditionalists and look at that like theirs something very wrong with useing it that way.

Some of the isolates out their are clean enouth to IV ( Im still alive)
 
dazzyballz

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Massive change if subject....but Anyone tried d.m.t crystals fuking tastes like smoking mothballs,worzt thing ever.
jesus 1 trippy ass high though got about 20 pipes of a 0.2
 
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