DEFOLIATION . . . . a hands on approach!

Finally! Someone actually posting a side by side!!!

Nice!

Very minor fan removal on some pure or very near pure Indica's here. I feel I get a better bud swell....But do not support the defol you have done......Now I'm happy to see this as not my friends runs.....Yours do look almost exactly alike though...

I have a good friend in our co-op that swears by defoliating,,,,,,I see his plants and I cringe.....His yields are nice but, bud size and bag appeal are hard for me to swallow when I review it for the shops.....quality is not dependent on the defol but it has never made top shelf and he gets clones from me.....
He does run synthetic and I don't any more....I got tired of experiments and juggling all the crap to dial them in, with what I can do with organics, and, have time on my hands - Water and walk away,,,,,just can't beat that with a stick......Haven't played with hydro, other then a swimming pool aquaponics project in about 5 years.....I already have a wife I'm tied too, don't need another....

I'm watch'in

Doc

6 month's veg ?
Hmm,,,May I ask what, how much and, how often you feed?
Lighting?
Please?
Thanks

Doc

Gunnery Sargaent Vitamin. Sir . . . .here is the data you ordered!!! lmfao

Coming up to the 3 weeks of flowering yo . . .
I defoliate from from week two after germination.

lmao, have no idea what days I defol at, like I've stated, I ain't no scientist, I'm hands on y'all!

If the leaf's been big enough to get my nails to the stem of it, the internode in question has enough leaf matter of it's own to take over the synthesis, I've fucked it orf!!!!


Sir, yes SIR!!!

vitamin_green_inc said:

How long in flowrr 5,6weeks? What days did you defol at?

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Who yo . . .

I have had 40 clones over the last 6 months I've been really pushing to the limits, killed many, I do not purposely veg for 6 months, it's not cost effective. BUT I'm not here to make lots of money, as long as my gut if full, bills are played, bowl is full . . . . .I shall be experimenting on our girls to the day I die . . . . . .

• I feed my plants something every single watering, from when the soil is depleted; how much? Pfffffffffff can't really quantify until I use my little bits of boosters n stuff. The Stingey and Confrey Tea I make doesn't really register on my EC meter
  
  
• Lighting: Phillips Alto CMH Retro White 400w (Veg). Now under 1200w of Phillips via Gavita 600e SE (Flower)

With pleasure, your always faithful, K9

Dr. Who said:

6 month's veg ?
Hmm,,,May I ask what, how much and, how often you feed?
Lighting?
Please?
Thanks

Doc

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Thanks for the intel.. Semper Fi actual...Eye's on.

Who base out. UUOOH RAAH !

Ooorah !!



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So guys n garls . . .

A little update, not of the side by side . . . .booo hissss. . . . .now settle down . . . . .

It's my defoliated & SCROgd Strawberry Cough from Dutch Passion, day 34 of flowering . . . . uh huh, well spotted pros . . . . just getting over a nitrogen deficiency . . .shit these girls burn it during flowering!!!












I truly thank you for stopping by


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<^> a SEMPER_FI free tip <^>

For any one growing Strawberry Cough from Dutch Passion.

From the moment you flip, stay on the grow feed, yes, all the way through to about week 5 maybe 6, just supplement the grow with additional PK, she seems to like it in an close to equal ratio!!
Then from about week 6 onwards you can phase in the bloom feed!!

She has such an appetite for N, Mg and Ca, that during my first grow with her, I got an awful deficiency that the flowering nute just would not handle, I didn't have N in it's loan form then, so I switched to Grow nutes . . .whhhhammmmm the weight started to pack on again

Consider Cal / Mag all the way through flower too. (I grow in soil).

This way, I promise, you will have pineapple sized colas!!



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From everything I've read you should keep N in its diet all the way through. I use Jack's Classic Bloom Booster from beginning to end and have to add a bit of bat shit and calmag along the way.

Oh for sure, there will always be N in a bloom nute . . . . just don't expect a Strawberry Cough from DP to survive transition if you switch to bloom straight away, or even three weeks later . . . . .

That's my knowledge

In fact, a wee secret of mine to really really dank smelling bud???? A shot (0.3EC) of BAC Organic PK Booster, four days before the chop!!! It's 2% N! ota . . .

lilroach said:

From everything I've read you should keep N in its diet all the way through. I use Jack's Classic Bloom Booster from beginning to end and have to add a bit of bat shit and calmag along the way.

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I am curious to know the effects of defoliation. Hopefully you continue to keep us updated .

Cool, nice to have interest . . .

There will be a picture update later on this evening

Ministry Grower said:

I am curious to know the effects of defoliation. Hopefully you continue to keep us updated .

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Tichy lil update, too knackered to get them out to get among them . . . . .

The defoliated plants are drinking half the amount of water at somewhere around 0.8EC . . . .

The undefoliated is burning through nutrient compared to the defols!! Feeding, constantly at somewhere around 1.1EC, with one big water every couple of weeks.

Still having a wee problem dialing in my new nettle / comfrey brew with the undefoliated, hungry beatch! lol









Eeeeesh bad piccie, sorry . . . . I'll get among em tomorrow for you


TTfn

Oh in the meantime here's a few other defoliation test strains . . .

Day 30ish, I think, lol. Just starting to fill out . . . . The N in my Nettle/Comfrey brew is a little too much for the Ace, I shall be switching to Bio Canna Flores

TGA Subcool's Ace of Spades


TGA Subcool's Ace of Spades


TGA Subcool's Chernobyl


TGA Subcool's Qrazy Train



Cheers u lot.

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Any advice please??

Semper.Fi said:

pffffffffffff hang on a minute . . . . . .

Can I use all these fan leaves I'm butchering to make any kind of half decent bubble hash / ice stuff???? Never done it before, is it reserved for the sugar leaf trim?

Appreciate any advice whatsoever, muchingly thanking you



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Lookin good man. I've had a problem with n deficiency when switching to bloom nutes at flower as well. Usually I run 50% grow and 50% bloom for a couple weeks but this run I didn't and I definitely have a deficiency.

Strawberry Cough needs heavy amounts of Nitrogen, Calcium, Magnesium for first 4 weeks in bloom.

When I run the cough I feed full strength grow week 1. Week 2 I feed full strength grow and half strength bloom. Than in week 3 its half strength grow and full strength bloom. And than 1/4 strength grow week 4 and full strength bloom. Than straight bloom all way through flower. Until week 6. Than half strength week 7. And flushing final 2 weeks.

I also start feeding the PK 13/14 formula right at week 2 as they really need it. I continue this thru week 6. I prefer using either Atami Bloombastic or Canna PK 13/14. And than cut back all additives week 7 to half strength and flush final 2 weeks with enzymes and carbohydrates.

The cough loves the Nitrogen and it is much needed to keep everything green through harvest until you flush and push it all out.

Semper.Fi said:

Any advice please??

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Rock on man pull them fan leaves off....I have read to take any fan leaf that is more than two weeks old during veg....during flowering day 21, and day 45! And here is a good read on why! For outdoor I would only defoliate during flowering... http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/topic/40183-controversial-technique-increases-marijuana-yields-but-at-what-cost/

Yeah I find it kind of funny how many people argue about defoliation. I guess its one of those things that will be a never ending debate. Its becoming more and more of a common growing practice for indoor cultivators looking for that extra weight and bigger buds.

Defoliation definetely works hands down. And best thing about it is that it is free

The only thing with defoliation is timing is everything. You need to know your strains and how they respond to defoliation. Selective leaf pruning I believe is a better term for this process. Whenever your plants have finished the stretch phase its time to pluck off all those sucker branches and bullshit that wont ever be anything more than fluff. Its just gonna draw away from your main colas and take additional energy away from what you want to focus on which is the upper canopy.

Its also beneficial for helping air flow and prevent potential for bud rot and molds especially when running bushy indica plants in tightly packed rooms using scrog or trellis methods.

One last note is if you really wanna get crazy and Ive done this a few times is 10 days before the harvest go in and strip of all of the big fan leaves from the entire plant. Soon as you start flushing you can begin this process and I was very skeptical when I was first informed on this matter but have since used it as a common practice for all my grows. Removing all of these fan leaves speeds up the finishing time and flushes out all of the nutrients in your plants while increasing the light penetration to the bottom of you plants which helps aid the plant in ripening everything at once. Its also beneficial in that it triggers a hormonal responses within the plant and reacts by producing more resins. Similar to a bug attack or animal attack by stimulating the internal responses and coating the flowers with added resins.

Dont believe me just try it out on one plant and you can thank me later.