Defoliation the first few leafs

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harrythehat

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NotTheFeds said:
Do you not think that this thread subject on "defoliation the first few leaves "should be removed from the advanced section and reposted somewhere else?

Here you are saying to remove healthy leafs from small plants yet you havent got the results to back up your claims

Yes you say you nearly killed your plants twice, that still brings me back to why this thread is in the advanced section!? Advanced growers have their environment sorted then they will mess around with training techniques.

Doesn't belong in this section IMO
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Had there been no errors things would look a bit different.
Sometimes shit happens.

However looking forwards.

Do you have plants that NEED defoliation once a week or so right the way through veg and flower?

I am not talking about taking leaves for the sake of it.

Look at the plant beforehand its crowded out as in each before and after
Then in 5/6 days it will NEED doing again and again and again could carry on with the agains as still have probably 10 defoliation days left
That's why it's been stuck on here
 
Wastei

Wastei

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harrythehat said:
M8 I ain't having no pH issues strangely enough just noted in my journal the right hand tank running @4.6 or thereabouts and is running sweet as a nut no issues showing a low PH yes I adjusted it up but it went back down strange but fuck it. It can run @ 4. Whatever.
Left hand tank PHd to around 6 is till lagging behind PH adjustment has done nish.
So does PH make a difference does it fuck
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You drop over 1 whole point in pH in under 24h and you still believe you got your environment dialed in? I'm really lost for words..
 
bk78

bk78

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Any reason you’re purposely slowing your growth down? Myself, along with any other grower I know would want the most rapid growth as we could get?

My plants would be 2 weeks into flower at the 2 month mark and be at least 2 foot tall, although I don’t pluck a single leaf during the vegetative stage. May have to do with no stress and max photosynthesis maybe?
 
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harrythehat

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bk78 said:
Any reason you’re purposely slowing your growth down? Myself, along with any other grower I know would want the most rapid growth as we could get?

My plants would be 2 weeks into flower at the 2 month mark and be at least 2 foot tall, although I don’t pluck a single leaf during the vegetative stage. May have to do with no stress and max photosynthesis maybe?
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Not purposely was totally by accident if you bother to read under normal circumstances I would be 4 weeks+ in flower. About 28/30 days veg
I have too pluck leaves it's not an option
Yawn yes I fucked up this time
Regardless will still have to defoliate probably another 10 times and that's not because I want to either. Don't believe watch on.
 
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harrythehat

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Wastei said:
You drop over 1 whole point in pH in under 24h and you still believe you got your environment dialed in? I'm really lost for words..
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4 whatever dickhead you really think it dropped a point overnite Really!! LOL
For fucks sake I didn't put the point number in that was all. Whatever was the point number. Because I have bipolar sometimes I can't be bothered to repeat a worthless task. So not putting in .6 has meant a whole load of words of explanation.
Yes to me this is a worthless task as PH was put to bed many years ago as I said I don't bother to PH using a PH buffered nutrient is fine and was brining it down to around 7.
Yet when I check find am running like 4.6
FUCK and no deficiencies showing that's a bitch a.
Sorta puts a goal past you there bro. Reckon I could run @4.0 but am not going too even if it was just to prove a point.
So as I said before PH is not a problem.
Just why it's running that low fucked if I know or care though over the past couple of days nute added it has risen to low 5s
First to admit this is a fuck up and would have been quicker to have restarted as normally veg is over in about 28 days.
Buds are likely to be smaller because of there roasting but then not expecting that much as only have 150 watts.
With a proper start it will be different.
Up to you carry on slating or carry on watching.
And maybe question why do I need to defoliate so often be the same on one's not fucked up too.
 
Wastei

Wastei

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harrythehat said:
4 whatever dickhead you really think it dropped a point overnite Really!! LOL
For fucks sake I didn't put the point number in that was all. Whatever was the point number. Because I have bipolar sometimes I can't be bothered to repeat a worthless task. So not putting in .6 has meant a whole load of words of explanation.
Yes to me this is a worthless task as PH was put to bed many years ago as I said I don't bother to PH using a PH buffered nutrient is fine and was brining it down to around 7.
Yet when I check find am running like 4.6
FUCK and no deficiencies showing that's a bitch a.
Sorta puts a goal past you there bro. Reckon I could run @4.0 but am not going too even if it was just to prove a point.
So as I said before PH is not a problem.
Just why it's running that low fucked if I know or care though over the past couple of days nute added it has risen to low 5s
First to admit this is a fuck up and would have been quicker to have restarted as normally veg is over in about 28 days.
Buds are likely to be smaller because of there roasting but then not expecting that much as only have 150 watts.
With a proper start it will be different.
Up to you carry on slating or carry on watching.
And maybe question why do I need to defoliate so often be the same on one's not fucked up too.
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Well you keep thinking 4.7 in pH won't cause any deficiencies. You're the only one blinding yourself to the problem. If my pH goes below 5 or above 7 that data tells me I have serious problems with the system.

A dialed in system will keep pH in range for 2 weeks at a time. There's no "self pHing" nutrients. That's basically digging your head in the ground because you don't have the patience to learn plant biology or at least trying to understand ionic exchange between minerals and how that affect pH.

Still you preach "N.T.T" "Nutrient trickling technique" which is a bogus term and talk about ions and abiotic stresses when you in reality don't have a clue or real understanding of the subject matter. Stop trying to be someone you're not and try to work for common good instead of what's "right and wrong".

We all see through it, life should not be about building up an external image. It should be about hard work, helping others by setting a good example. Give something positive back to this world instead of just blindly consuming it. Cheers Harry!
 
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harrythehat

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Wastei said:
Well you keep thinking 4.7 in pH won't cause any deficiencies. You're the only one blinding yourself to the problem. If my pH goes below 5 or above 7 that data tells me I have serious problems with the system.

A dialed in system will keep pH in range for 2 weeks at a time. There's no "self pHing" nutrients. That's basically digging your head in the ground because you don't have the patience to learn plant biology or at least trying to understand ionic exchange between minerals and how that affect pH.

Still you preach "N.T.T" "Nutrient trickling technique" which is a bogus term and talk about ions and abiotic stresses when you in reality don't have a clue or real understanding of the subject matter. Stop trying to be someone you're not and try to work for common good instead of what's "right and wrong".

We all see through it, life should not be about building up an external image. It should be about hard work, helping others by setting a good example. Give something positive back to this world instead of just blindly consuming it. Cheers Harry!
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If you look on grow journals Have posted the last 5 days since starting
PH looks like it wants to run low anyway and its relatively stable. If it stays low we will see if it does any damage
What it says on the bottle is pH buffered ok maybe I used the wrong words. Big deal.
Your entitled to your opinion but then you really do not know what education levels are held as I've said this grow is going to be behind par. You've had the explanation. Don't believe that's your problem
Fuck slate me down as much as you like
NTT bogus, there I will say you have not got a clue as it will show
How the fuck can you have NFT in a tube go on explain that!!
NFT is Nutrient film technique which is a film across a flat surface explain how you do that in a tube
This I really want too hear
 
Wastei

Wastei

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harrythehat said:
If you look on grow journals Have posted the last 5 days since starting
PH looks like it wants to run low anyway and its relatively stable. If it stays low we will see if it does any damage
What it says on the bottle is pH buffered ok maybe I used the wrong words. Big deal.
Your entitled to your opinion but then you really do not know what education levels are held as I've said this grow is going to be behind par. You've had the explanation. Don't believe that's your problem
Fuck slate me down as much as you like
NTT bogus, there I will say you have not got a clue as it will show
How the fuck can you have NFT in a tube go on explain that!!
NFT is Nutrient film technique which is a film across a flat surface explain how you do that in a tube
This I really want too hear
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I don't know what you're doing Harry, but I can tell you it's not working. People's been renaming hydroponic techniques forever. The technique doesn't matter, it's how you design and operate the system. Kratky is one of the recent clowns, "Fallponics" another. It's all systems running nutrient salts in readily available form in solution.

It seems like you're running low water volumes with shallow levels. That's not improving on anything, that's making the system prone to pH fluctuations. I've seen recent nonsense with someone renaming DWC to "Shallow Water Culture", it's all narrow ego minded activity that doesn't lead to any developmental good. Like I said technique doesn't matter, it's how you design and operate the system.
 
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harrythehat

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Wastei said:
I don't know what you're doing Harry, but I can tell you it's not working. People's been renaming hydroponic techniques forever. The technique doesn't matter, it's how you design and operate the system. Kratky is one of the recent clowns, "Fallponics" another. It's all systems running nutrient salts in readily available form in solution.

It seems like you're running low water volumes with shallow levels. That's not improving on anything, that's making the system prone to pH fluctuations. I've seen recent nonsense with someone renaming DWC to "Shallow Water Culture", it's all narrow ego minded activity that doesn't lead to any developmental good. Like I said technique doesn't matter, it's how you design and operate the system.
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Will take that as gospel YOU DO NOT KNOW what I am doing as totally true
No I am not running low water volumes
M8 the PH is relatively stable look at the sheet it's only on 5 days but showing a good pattern
Still strange how you do not wish to explain how NFT can be done in a fuckin pipe.
Would rather talk a lot of bollocks about something else.

As you cannot explain how NTT works shall I explain NTT to you.
Propelling any gas or liquid down a tube creates friction.
Friction is known to create static FACT!
Hence why the gas and water pipes are earthed cos they go fucking bang.
NTT is like a staircase. Roots CANNOT follow the contours of a staircase, they leave an air gap.
This airgap creates an area where water trickles down the roots. Trickling creates friction. Friction creates static FACT!.
NTT explained too a T or should I say a twat.
Come on explain NFT if a tube.
This i really want too hear
 
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harrythehat

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NotTheFeds said:
How are the lady's going?
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The Hat is back

PH meter arrived this morning. calibrated and took some readings Base water 8.6 Left hand tank just being PHd to around 6.0 Right hand tank 4.6 strangely enough and it's been running like that for who knows how long. Only changed nutes 3 days ago. Strange. Who was that who piped in with run @4.0...
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