defoliation when in flower

Heil Tweetler said:

Bro when you mentioned 15oz from a couple of 3 gal SP was that with a good yielding strain or is that your average when using the vert technique?

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9 zips of Super Citrus haze, and 6 zips of White Widow, was not grown vert, but that was my best until this last grow.
That .hwas 0.6 g/w, latest grow was 1.1 g/w of smokable buds.

gr865 said:

9 zips of Super Citrus haze, and 6 zips of White Widow, was not grown vert, but that was my best until this last grow.
That .hwas 0.6 g/w, latest grow was 1.1 g/w of smokable buds.

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Nice work. Ive got a small space and usually use 7 or 10 gals. Ive got a 3 and a 5gal going right now. Wondering how it might shape up.

Are you using smart pots,
SP and coco are the tits!

Heil Tweetler said:

Bro when you mentioned 15oz from a couple of 3 gal SP was that with a good yielding strain or is that your average when using the vert technique?

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Here are the two strains
White Widow 6 zips

Super Citrus Haze

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GR

Yes this does work. I have tried it. Now i do it every time. Just increase sugars and carbs. You will definately get 2lbs a light of premium quality og

@gr865 seems like a really nice harvest, I see you make oil, is there any chance you could post details on your method of making the oil.
Much appreciated.

zypheruk said:

@gr865 seems like a really nice harvest, I see you make oil, is there any chance you could post details on your method of making the oil.
Much appreciated.

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I do use an oil distiller instead of a rice cooker, but everything else is the same.
That is the main method I use, I also use a method to produce the oil via a frozen method.
Depends on who I am making the oil for. The last batch of oil I made tested at 82% THC,
The main thing is to use FECO, Full Plant Extract Cannabis Oil, use multiple strains of mainly Indica dom plants.
The next batch of oil I make is for a lady with myalgia, it will be for pain management. They are supplying the product to make approx 100 grams of oil. It should take about 3 to 5 liters of 190 proof to make the oil. I will mix this one to one with CBD oil, I finally found a good source for CBD oil, it is good for pain management. It is best for pain management and cancer treatment to use multiple Indica strains. For pain management I use CBD oil along with CO. For cancer, 1 to 2 grams of CO per day. Depending on your condition, mico dose 1/3 to 1/2 of the total during the day and at night the remainder in a suppository.
I will make oil for anyone who will supply the materials for making the product.
Hope this helps.

GR

77 days from seed, GML stripped at 15 days flip, then 30 days flip, day 47 since flip total, about 160 bud sites, also seems i have a calcium problem. Upped the calmag today, Upped Bloom+3ml, reduced Micro-8ml, ( PH PERFECT AN )

I grow outside so mould is always a concern. Once my plants have reached the 5 week mark and most of the fan leaves are turned yellow I strip all the fans and trim any leaves covering my buds so I can expose them to sunlight. I started doing this when i lost half my crop to mould a few years ago. Since then no issues.

Question!

I have always used pruning/defo on my plants.
On this grow, which is a Monster Crop plant, taking at day 33 of flower and re-vegged, and this is new to me. I did a heavy prune/defo a week prior to flip, took everything below the 4 node.


What a twisted web she weaves!


And here she was 8 days later. The start of 12/12.


Now here she is 7 days later. The third and forth nodes have grow 6 to 8 inches, some of the inner bud sites are being shielded from the light and need to be exposed, I did raise them in height tonight. I have been removing large fans daily, few a day to reduce shock, but this bitch is absolutely a Monster.

Every few days I move the bud sites around to get the best light and fill holes like the one in the 8 o'clock position in the above picture.


This is one branch, you can see the third and forth nodes that have grown at least 8 inches in the past 7 days.


So my question is, do more daily lite pruning prior to the 21st day or wait and just do a massive prune on that day? Remove the large third and forth nodes or let them go?
Have not had this situation before so some thoughts would help.

GR

gr865 said:

Question!

I have always used pruning/defo on my plants.
On this grow, which is a Monster Crop plant, taking at day 33 of flower and re-vegged, and this is new to me. I did a heavy prune/defo a week prior to flip, took everything below the 4 node.
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What a twisted web she weaves!
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And here she was 8 days later. The start of 12/12.
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Now here she is 7 days later. The third and forth nodes have grow 6 to 8 inches, some of the inner bud sites are being shielded from the light and need to be exposed, I did raise them in height tonight. I have been removing large fans daily, few a day to reduce shock, but this bitch is absolutely a Monster.
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Every few days I move the bud sites around to get the best light and fill holes like the one in the 8 o'clock position in the above picture.


This is one branch, you can see the third and forth nodes that have grown at least 8 inches in the past 7 days.
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So my question is, do more daily lite pruning prior to the 21st day or wait and just do a massive prune on that day? Remove the large third and forth nodes or let them go?
Have not had this situation before so some thoughts would help.

GR

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Take off all those big fans at 21-22 days. Clean the bottom larf you want be disappointed. Check my grow defo at 21 days pigs grow. Massive bud growth will happen.

Pig4buzz said:

Take off all those big fans at 21-22 days. Clean the bottom larf you want be disappointed. Check my grow defo at 21 days pigs grow. Massive bud growth will happen.

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Thanks for the comment man, yes that is how I have done it for years but this plant is growing like nothing I have grown before. Sometime in the near future I will be doing a pure Indica and I will take clones at around day 21 to 26. I really want to see how it will monster crop.

As you can see in pic 1 above all larf was removed a week before flower, and yes anything growing at day 21 that would be considered larf it will be history.
My main concern was the original 3rd and 4th nodes that have just gone nuts in growth, For just over two weeks growth they are becoming major players in this grow and I was wondering if I should take them or leave them, today or at day 21. The mass of the plant is truly surprising and over welling.
The root mass of this plant is drinking very well, water/nutes times are 9:10 pm @ 3 minutes, 9:30 am @ 2 minutes, 5 am @ 2 minutes, 5:30 pm @ 2 minutes. When the lights come on at
9 pm the pot is barely damp to the touch, with roots growing out the sides of the smart pots.

I am hoping I can move the branches around enough to prevent shading and wondering if I should leave the 3rd and 4th nodes after day 21, as I know they will produce 6 plus inch spear shaped buds.
Well I am going to leave it alone for now, maybe only remove the massive fans but leave everything else.

GR

Your in good shape

You should try a experiment with slowly removing only inward facing leaves that block lower nodes. I seem to have good results. Not leaf stripping, and not leaving alone either.... More like manicuring.

I'm currently in a pickle about this

First pic is of this plant taken roughly same time (early wk 6) when I grew it from seed



These next pics are the same strain from clone, taken about the same time of flower. which I defoliated very heavily. I'm feeling it's quite a ways behind the plants in the first pic. The buds are smaller and also a lot of them don't have many pistils and are quite hard.


It's hard to say exactly that defoliation is the cause but there's a couple of variables;

1. It's been very cold, coming out of winter, and tent night time temps have been colder. First pic was grown through summer and tent was basically too hot most of the time. Plants thrived, no heat stress signs and monster yield. Second pics were grown throughout end of winter just coming into spring now.

2. Didn't use Mammoth P (supposedly microbials accessing more Phosphorus) in the second pics

3. Defolatiated the living shit out of plants in the bottom photos

4. In the first pic the plants were getting blasted with 100% light which would have been over 1100-1200 ųmols and even more at the top colas. second pic has had lights down about 750-1000ųmols across the canopy (also growing a strain alongside that doesn't like intense light)



pH and EC have been spot on and virtually identical for both grows, minus the Mammoth P in second group. There is zero tip burn, canoes or deficiencies/toxicities showing

So... I am hoping the buds fatten up a lot from here as I have just added the bloom booster.

Also, I had a thought the other day.... with a canopy of foliage, it can only catch so much light "fallint" from above, so if you defoliate but there Is still a lot of light falling on some form of plant before it hits the floor, the plants still catching the same amount of light, right? Or am I wrong?

Edit: here's before and after defoliation



I'm going to run tbis strain again, I will try a side by side experiment but we are going into warm weather again and I'll probably use Mammoth P again but can still see.

You did that to your plants...voluntarily??

mudballs said:

You did that to your plants...voluntarily??

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call me fallen prey to misinformation about defoliation perhaps

ketamine_disposal_unit said:

call me fallen prey to misinformation about defoliation perhaps

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I'll concede there is something to simulating an animal grazing and triggering hormones/signals by yanking a few leafs off....that is a thing....but that full strip overkill seems decisively non-productive.

mudballs said:

I'll concede there is something to simulating an animal grazing and triggering hormones/signals by yanking a few leafs off....that is a thing....but that full strip overkill seems decisively non-productive.

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Yeah. I'm beginning to think so. I've been seeing lots of seemingly succesful grows with just as much if not more defoliation. I'll try a side by side next grow.

I didn't remove all the fans. There's still like a few fans on each branch I just cleared anything that was covering another top or throwing shade on lowers

Sure, why not?