Defoliation, Your thoughts?

gladstoned

gladstoned

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Krondizzel said:
Here is why I do it. I have a 4x8x7 tent with 2800W. I cant pound the light through all the foliage. Everytime I make room for light to get through, within a day or two, they've become this much bigger, branchier shrub.

Do I want to pull the leaves off? No. They are important to the plant. When space is limited though, you create it (space), and it fills it back in.

Do I suggest doing this? No. Definitely not if you have plenty of room. When your working in the space I am, air flow is a pretty big factor. You can have all the fan leaves in the world, but if your air quality is poor, that can be an issue too. It is a serious balancing act when you have very limited room.

Thanks for reading.
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You know, that makes a lot of sense. Do people argue about defoliation outdoors? (I don't know if they do or not.)
Thank you for thanking me for reading also. Usually this late I am fucked up and don't read longer posts. lmao.
I am, but it made enough sense to make it through ok. lol.
 
Krondizzel

Krondizzel

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You know, after doing some homework on the subject, I will no longer be defoliating on a regular basis, regardless of what is below. Every time I trim, the girls get pissy with me. Well, I found out why so... No more defoliation for me. I might do it once I switch to 12/12 though.
 
Rare D MI

Rare D MI

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^^^^^^^see this is exactly why these threads are dangerous. The defoliation technique is really mainly for flowering. Taking your leaves off in veg does nothing​ but hurt your plants.
 
Krondizzel

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I would agree through experience. Just makes em very mad during veg. I wouldn't recommend it. I was against it in the first place but someone who thought they knew wtf they were talking about talked me into it. After the results, I am prone to agree with not defoliating. Seems like all it did was make me lose a day or two. Now that they are over that, they are going nuts again, like they were before I touched them.

I'll keep mine on, unless I absolutely have to remove them.
 
ru4r34l

ru4r34l

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Rare D MI said:
^^^^^^^see this is exactly why these threads are dangerous. The defoliation technique is really mainly for flowering. Taking your leaves off in veg does nothing​ but hurt your plants.
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Because à member does'nt get good results from what's posted hardly makes this thread dangerous, different techniques can have different outcomes.

There may be numerous reasons the user above had bad results.

regards,
 
Krondizzel

Krondizzel

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My conditions were fairly good actually. Didn't have a single problem until I defoliated. New growth came in skinny and stringy (at first, fattened up later), i showed signs of deficiency (I read somewhere where plate leaves can be part of PH buffering), they looked over watered and tired. Took a couple days to bounce back, but another factor that may have played a part, was a rookie mistake on my part. I was adding concentrated nutes directly to my controller tank. Well, after a bit of homework, I realized how foolish that can be, and made proper adjustments. After this adjustment, they have simply started going hog wild, and I don't seem to have a huge PH fluctuation like I did during defoliation.

So... now that I have written that, I guess, my conditions weren't "fair".. simply because adding nutes can throw off PH and lock me out. So.. coulda been that, but it surely was at the same time as defoliating.

I'll letcha know when/if I defoliate next time how it goes. Might work out better next time. Who knows. I don't claim to be an expert :)
 
Rrog

Rrog

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I'm sorry... did you say something? I'm just staring at your avatar. Don't think badly of me.
 
Krondizzel

Krondizzel

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Stare at my avatar all you want. I stare at my own. Does that make me conceited? Heck no, means I like hot chicks in ink chillin' doin what I like to do.

Stare on.
 
Rare D MI

Rare D MI

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ru4r34l said:
Because à member does'nt get good results from what's posted hardly makes this thread dangerous, different techniques can have different outcomes.

There may be numerous reasons the user above had bad results.

regards,
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No, because members like him get talked into it and then don't read the whole thread to actually learn how to do it, and ruin crops. Taking your leaves off during veg will prevent your plant from creating a healthy root system, and will stunt overall growth. Remember, this is supposed to be a high yield technique. How are you gonna yield more if your plants aren't healthy going into flowering?
 
Krondizzel

Krondizzel

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No no, no members on RIU talked me into it. I nevvvvver said someone from RIU told me to do that. Seems like a 50/50 decision here and I had pretty much sided with the "leave em on" side. The person who told me, isn't a complete idiot. His view could be just like everyone who agrees with removing them.

I'm not really gonna fault the guy either. I had the choice, I chose to experiment, I didn't really like how it turned out, so I will stay with my original feelings of leaving them on.
 
Rare D MI

Rare D MI

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I wasn't saying someone here did it. I'm saying someone you know read the thread, told you what to do, and you decided to do it. You didn't learn exactly how to do it to achieve the "results" the people perpetuating this shit intend.
 
stumpjumper

stumpjumper

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Rare D MI said:
I wasn't saying someone here did it. I'm saying someone you know read the thread, told you what to do, and you decided to do it. You didn't learn exactly how to do it to achieve the "results" the people perpetuating this shit intend.
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Thats why people should learn how to do it.. By your theory you are saying people who suggest to use fertilizer are posting dangerous information too lol.
 
Rare D MI

Rare D MI

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Is using fertilizer something that takes the main driving force of photosynthesis and removes it? Or is it adding optimal amounts of nutrients a plant needs for it to grow to it's full potential? I always forget.. They're soooo similar...
 
stumpjumper

stumpjumper

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Rare D MI said:
Is using fertilizer something that takes the main driving force of photosynthesis and removes it? Or is it adding optimal amounts of nutrients a plant needs for it to grow to it's full potential? I always forget.. They're soooo similar...
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Twist it around how you want. Both can be detrimental to your grow.. Don't act like a dumbass.
 
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Im just an old meaningless hippie but I NEVER believed in "Defoliation" (wow a new word) or any science that approves that method.
In my days we called it "cutting off the banana leaves" which is crazy to do as it is a powerhose to the bud making.

My generation NEVER believed in cutting off healthy banana leaves nor the idiot method of "Topping" cutting off the main cola is crazy lunitic shit man.

Best method is to use a twist tie and tie down the Banana Leaves and/or tie down the cola.

its just my opinion...

...Peace
 
stumpjumper

stumpjumper

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I'll never defoliate again, or lst for that matter. I don't ever want a harvest like that again. Fuck that I was on pins n needles for 3 months..
 
buckaroo bonzai

buckaroo bonzai

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don't touch the leaves!!:leaf::leaf::leaf:
---->>unless --->>u have a few giant fans that are shading a large area--

leav the shit alone!! --->>till the leaves turn yellow and fall off--
--unless u get mold or it's dying--

that's how u will know when it's done-->
>>the leaves fall off!! ...
--->u will be amazed at the results if u have patience...

wen the leaves 'start' to yellow....
go w --->just<---water and keep watering till they mostly fall off--
--then its done!

simple--

if u get yellow before the finish stage u need another 'thread'-


defoiliation is over rated---u can practice that shit once u learn something about the plant-

biggest mistake I c a lot is everyone 'fuks'w their plants!

they don't need that much attention! ...just to be 'monitered' and water

you will be amazed at what theywill do on their own--

thats the problem w forums is u get every Tom dik Harry "expert" telling noobs how "they" did it---pfffft!!
-->unless it's Ed..or Cervantes....or?--->a real xpert ....I don't listen

what I tell noobs is let the plant do its own thing and don't fuk w it---->"leaf" it alone

-it grows by itself ....it don't need .'your' help
just water

it will take u the rest of ur life to perfect the "art" of -->fine<-- afficiando boutique cannabis cultivation---:joint:

--->once u learn wat dirt and water will do....:eyesmoke:


just grow it once without spending any $ on fuking anything and see what u learn--!!

---then if u want to spend a shit ton of $$ on shit u think u know about ....
pick all the leaves off
bend it
twist it
prune it....
feed it like a mad $cientist


--go ahead--:bigjoint:
 
stumpjumper

stumpjumper

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buckaroo bonzai said:
don't touch the leaves!!:leaf::leaf::leaf:
---->>unless --->>u have a few giant fans that are shading a large area--

leav the shit alone!! --->>till the leaves turn yellow and fall off--
--unless u get mold or it's dying--

that's how u will know when it's done-->
>>the leaves fall off!! ...
--->u will be amazed at the results if u have patience...

wen the leaves 'start' to yellow....
go w --->just<---water and keep watering till they mostly fall off--
--then its done!

simple--

if u get yellow before the finish stage u need another 'thread'-


defoiliation is over rated---u can practice that shit once u learn something about the plant-

biggest mistake I c a lot is everyone 'fuks'w their plants!

they don't need that much attention! ...just to be 'monitered' and water

you will be amazed at what theywill do on their own--

thats the problem w forums is u get every Tom dik Harry "expert" telling noobs how "they" did it---pfffft!!
-->unless it's Ed..or Cervantes....or?--->a real xpert ....I don't listen

what I tell noobs is let the plant do its own thing and don't fuk w it---->"leaf" it alone

-it grows by itself ....it don't need .'your' help
just water

it will take u the rest of ur life to perfect the "art" of -->fine<-- afficiando boutique cannabis cultivation---:joint:

--->once u learn wat dirt and water will do....:eyesmoke:


just grow it once without spending any $ on fuking anything and see what u learn--!!

---then if u want to spend a shit ton of $$ on shit u think u know about ....
pick all the leaves off
bend it
twist it
prune it....
feed it like a mad $cientist


--go ahead--:bigjoint:
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I've done it all :) I get good results no matter how I do it, never had a bad harvest actually, except for outdoor, neglected shit..
 
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