developing red stems while in flower

Kipn · Nov 27, 2018

kratos015 said:
Seconding this. Excess Ca and/or K will lock out Mg and P. But, as other's have said it could sometimes be a genetic thing.

If the only thing you're seeing is red petioles then it is likely just genetic.

If the red petioles are a new development and you also notice Mg deficiency, it's likely just lockout. The fact you're using CalMag makes me suspect this, most people that use CalMag never actually need it and it typically just makes things worse.

well i was seeing a lack of cal at the start of flower so i started using cal mag and that stopped
my tap and A+B both contain calcium so i don't use cal mag in veg just some Epson salt of i see the plant isnt green enough
my bloom nutrients are a 4.3.9 so after i just read that comment about lack of potassium im 99% sure that's why its showing some red and buds are abit small

Kipn · Nov 27, 2018

some photos but they still dont show the red on the stems looks like most went away after changing my res last night and upping my ppm. the small tip burn is from veg but their isnt much

xtsho · Nov 27, 2018

You're plants look fine.

Looks like you didn't do anything drastic and things worked their way out.

Too many times people say dump this on it, flush this many times, etc... If you're doing hydro on a recirculating system the plant will take what it needs. That can be much more of one thing than others so ppm is misleading. When I run recirculating hydro I change the reservoir weekly.

Kipn · Nov 27, 2018

xtsho said:
You're plants look fine.

Looks like you didn't do anything drastic and things worked their way out.

Too many times people say dump this on it, flush this many times, etc... If you're doing hydro on a recirculating system the plant will take what it needs. That can be much more of one thing than others so ppm is misleading. When I run recirculating hydro I change the reservoir weekly.

i hate ppm when it comes to explaining stuff. im changing to EC soon. i wasn't intending on changing anything just looking for peoples thoughts on the topic so i can adjust my grow next run
i don't change stuff mid flower unless something really bad is happening
i still have like 6 weeks give or take buds are still hell small for this stage i think but ive never grow a sativa strain indoors so could be normal size for all i know

xtsho · Nov 27, 2018

Kipn said:
i hate ppm when it comes to explaining stuff. im changing to EC soon. i wasn't intending on changing anything just looking for peoples thoughts on the topic so i can adjust my grow next run
i don't change stuff mid flower unless something really bad is happening
i still have like 6 weeks give or take buds are still hell small for this stage i think but ive never grow a sativa strain indoors so could be normal size for all i know

Your growing a sativa? Cool. What strain. They can be touchy compared to hybrids and indica's. I've found that less is better with sativa's. They're easy to over fert. Regardless good luck with your grow. I just started a sativa that could go 24 weeks. I'm sure I'm going to have the occasional issue just as you have had.

Kipn · Nov 27, 2018

xtsho said:
Your growing a sativa? Cool. What strain. They can be touchy compared to hybrids and indica's. I've found that less is better with sativa's. They're easy to over fert. Regardless good luck with your grow. I just started a sativa that could go 24 weeks. I'm sure I'm going to have the occasional issue just as you have had.

not 100% sure strain as seeds was given to me. im expecting 11 weeks in flower. i only vegged for 3 weeks mainly because i run out of veg nutrients at the time and couldn't get an more quickly

kratos015 · Nov 27, 2018

Kipn said:
some photos but they still dont show the red on the stems looks like most went away after changing my res last night and upping my ppm. the small tip burn is from veg but their isnt much

Dude, you're trippin. Your plants look gorgeous and everything looks pretty standard as far as I can see. You just started week 5, they'll start to swell up on you within the next few days. I'm guessing it's an 8-9 week indica? Depending on the strain, the buds won't really start to swell until the end of week 5 going on week 6. Weeks 6-7 are when things start really filling out.

As someone pointed out earlier in this thread, if the red petioles are close to the top of the plant it's likely just a genetic thing. If the red petioles are on the bottom of the plant, that's a for sure deficiency.

Keep an eye on the redness, if you start seeing more redness on the bottom half of the plant you for sure have a deficiency because the plant takes from the bottom to feed the top in the event of a deficiency.

If you do in fact have a deficiency, take it easy with the extra nutes. Bump it up just a tad and note the results. Overdoing it with the Phosphorus will cause significantly more problems than not having enough.

IMO, everything looks great. Good job and happy growing!

redeyedfrog · Nov 27, 2018

I just saw the pics what are you on about mate theres nothing wrong at all. Take a chill pill and enjoy the show!!!

redeyedfrog · Nov 27, 2018

I'd still up the flowering nutes the last 2 weeks to promote bud development and flush last week of flower, if you flush, I personally dont plus I'm organic so no point but even before I never did, that's a debate for another blog.
Happy growing

Kipn · Nov 28, 2018

redeyedfrog said:
I just saw the pics what are you on about mate theres nothing wrong at all. Take a chill pill and enjoy the show!!!

yeah i wasn't worried about anything just wondering peoples thoughts on the matter
their is something wrong. i cant smoke it yet and im almost out of buds. i don't think ill be growing a sativa dominant plant again unless the high is to die for. sativa take so long

Kipn · Nov 28, 2018

kratos015 said:
Dude, you're trippin. Your plants look gorgeous and everything looks pretty standard as far as I can see. You just started week 5, they'll start to swell up on you within the next few days. I'm guessing it's an 8-9 week indica? Depending on the strain, the buds won't really start to swell until the end of week 5 going on week 6. Weeks 6-7 are when things start really filling out.

As someone pointed out earlier in this thread, if the red petioles are close to the top of the plant it's likely just a genetic thing. If the red petioles are on the bottom of the plant, that's a for sure deficiency.

Keep an eye on the redness, if you start seeing more redness on the bottom half of the plant you for sure have a deficiency because the plant takes from the bottom to feed the top in the event of a deficiency.

If you do in fact have a deficiency, take it easy with the extra nutes. Bump it up just a tad and note the results. Overdoing it with the Phosphorus will cause significantly more problems than not having enough.

IMO, everything looks great. Good job and happy growing!

ill keep that in mind if reds on the top and everything is growing good its probably genetics. if its showing on lower parts of the plant its probably deference

rob333 · Nov 28, 2018

Kipn said:
hi people so im more interested in your thoughts on the matter over a fix for it

so ive been flowering for around 5 weeks. the entire grow up until a few days a go ive had no red in my stems at all. now i am seeing red showing up along the tops of the leaves stem . not the entire plant just like 1/4
my understanding is when red is showing up on that part of the leaves stem its lacking in cal mag what i have been adding every time and i keep my ph in rage 6 to 6.4. so now i am wondering is the plant needing more because shes in mid flower.
i have been running very light on my A+B bloom nutrients at around 450ppm plus cal mag running the 700 scale i think lol
i just double that on my last res change today so im now feeding around 900ppm plus cal mag. call mag is 150ppm

i run dwc
humidity stays in the 50%
temps go 77 lights on 68 off
res temps say cool although i don't know exact numbers

so my thoughts are ether she needs more cal mag and nutrients or its getting too cold

red is not a issue and can be cuased by a number of things from drop in temps to genetics any way red stems is there natural pestcide to detere pest purple is more of a issue i think

Kipn · Nov 28, 2018

rob333 said:
red is not a issue and can be cuased by a number of things from drop in temps to genetics any way red stems is there natural pestcide to detere pest purple is more of a issue i think

ive had many plant turn red on me but that was when i was a coca grower and didn't understand the importance of ph or proper watering. since i changed to dwc ive not encountered any redness in my plants although its only my second dwc so still learning. guess for now ill toss it up to genetics. im starting to understand why so many growers buy seeds . so their is more creditable information on that strain and you don't get stuck guessing like i am now. at least their girls

rob333 · Nov 28, 2018

Kipn said:
ive had many plant turn red on me but that was when i was a coca grower and didn't understand the importance of ph or proper watering. since i changed to dwc ive not encountered any redness in my plants although its only my second dwc so still learning. guess for now ill toss it up to genetics. im starting to understand why so many growers buy seeds . so their is more creditable information on that strain and you don't get stuck guessing like i am now. at least their girls

most strains come from about 5 - 6 basic strains that have been cross bread over and over and over

rob333 · Nov 28, 2018

Kipn said:
ive had many plant turn red on me but that was when i was a coca grower and didn't understand the importance of ph or proper watering. since i changed to dwc ive not encountered any redness in my plants although its only my second dwc so still learning. guess for now ill toss it up to genetics. im starting to understand why so many growers buy seeds . so their is more creditable information on that strain and you don't get stuck guessing like i am now. at least their girls

back in my day it was super skunk mango thai budda and derban red that was it then the yanks came into the market now there's all these bullshit names for pretty much the same plant

Capn-Crunch · Nov 28, 2018

rob333 said:
back in my day it was super skunk mango thai budda and derban red that was it then the yanks came into the market now there's all these bullshit names for pretty much the same plant

Back in my day all we had way Mexican, or Colombian, lol

GrowerCy · Nov 28, 2018

great info on this threat. Thank you guys. Can i ask your oppinion on my plant? do you think that this is mag deficiency? Autoflower day 41

rob333 · Nov 28, 2018

Capn-Crunch said:
Back in my day all we had way Mexican, or Colombian, lol

back in yor day use had bush running the country thinking of ways to delete his fuck ups so he flew 3 planes into 3 buildings to cover his shit up

Capn-Crunch · Nov 29, 2018

rob333 said:
back in yor day use had bush running the country thinking of ways to delete his fuck ups so he flew 3 planes into 3 buildings to cover his shit up

WTF is your problem?

Jypsy Dog · Nov 29, 2018

rob333 said:
back in yor day use had bush running the country thinking of ways to delete his fuck ups so he flew 3 planes into 3 buildings to cover his shit up

NICE.... get some help.

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