Did my autos go back into veg?

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chico1st

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I have some Auto PK plants they took forever to start flowering (roughly 6 weeks ago). I turned my back on them for 2 weeks and I think they have gone back into veg from flower. I've left them at 18:6hr cycle thier whole life, using a Quantum LED board.

They had stopped stretching for a while, but recently have grown. Also the tallest buds are starting to look wierd. Its like the pistils are coming out of these giant bulbs. Not 100% of the buds are like that but a lot of them are. I put in a picture of a normal looking bud and a wierd one. The normal looking ones are the ones that are furthest from the light if it matters.

Also the leaf coloring has gotten odd lately, yellows and reds. I grow organic in a 30 gal super soil and have a pretty good system so I'm not used to that, which makes me think something odd had happened.

The plants are already as high as they can reasonably go in my tent so I think. If they have vegged, then if I put them back to flower they will stretch again (right?) which I won't be able to fit. So do I need to kill them off and start over or should I just cut them way down?

20230729_134108.jpg wierd buds...mostly are like this
20230729_134135.jpg normal looking buds in the underbrush.
 
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chico1st

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They have 240W QB ~1ft from the tops of the plants for my 2x4ft tent. If anything it's too little light people tell me.

The pots haven't dried out. I run on a bluemat system that hasn't run into any issues in a while.

Autos are supposed to just be based on time not cycle, but I can also say they didn;t switch to flower until about 6 weeks after they were "suppose to switch". I grow in a SCROG and them being in veg for too long caused all sorts of issues.
 
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SBNDB

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Thats pretty cool hope you’ll use this thread to let us follow progress of this weirdo. If i were you and had pollen i’d breed it lol.
 
Seanf610

Seanf610

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chico1st said:
Hello
I have some Auto PK plants they took forever to start flowering (roughly 6 weeks ago). I turned my back on them for 2 weeks and I think they have gone back into veg from flower. I've left them at 18:6hr cycle thier whole life, using a Quantum LED board.

They had stopped stretching for a while, but recently have grown. Also the tallest buds are starting to look wierd. Its like the pistils are coming out of these giant bulbs. Not 100% of the buds are like that but a lot of them are. I put in a picture of a normal looking bud and a wierd one. The normal looking ones are the ones that are furthest from the light if it matters.

Also the leaf coloring has gotten odd lately, yellows and reds. I grow organic in a 30 gal super soil and have a pretty good system so I'm not used to that, which makes me think something odd had happened.

The plants are already as high as they can reasonably go in my tent so I think. If they have vegged, then if I put them back to flower they will stretch again (right?) which I won't be able to fit. So do I need to kill them off and start over or should I just cut them way down?

View attachment 5313172 wierd buds...mostly are like this
View attachment 5313173 normal looking buds in the underbrush.
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Those in the first pic look that way when they’re first starting to bud sometimes I’ve seen for me. But idk the leafs look curvy or something and the buds look divided I know what you mean I’m not sure. Do you feed them?
 
FirstCavApache64

FirstCavApache64

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I'm going to go with Prophet on this and say they didn't auto flower and probably started flowering from stress. The single bladed leaves are a tell tale sign of reveg. If you flip to 12/12 they should flower but if space is a premium as is you might be better putting them outside if that's a possibility.
I'd personally just start different seeds as the time wouldn't be worth the flower based on how much they still have to go but stick with it if you really like the strain. Who was the breeder and what strain?
 
FirstCavApache64

FirstCavApache64

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rkymtnman said:
how would it flower under 18/6 if it was a photo?
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Root bound, over fertilizing or even light stress and dry backs that are too severe can trigger stress induced flowering in certain strains. If it's not an auto it's most likely a fast photo and they trigger much easier from what I've read.
 
FirstCavApache64

FirstCavApache64

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rkymtnman said:
learned something new! thanks.

only bad part is i just forgot 3 things to make room for the new thing. :bigjoint:
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My memory is shot as well. The first crossing between a photo and an auto results in zero plants with the auto gene. The following generations of the cross will become more likely to contain the autoflower gene and at around F3-F4 most people consider the autoflower gene stabilized. The fast photo plants with quick flowering triggers occur in the F1 generation and possibly the F2 generations if I'm not mistaken. Here's a decent clip from an article I read on breeding them:

"When breeding autoflowers with photoperiod varieties, you’ll follow the same steps. But do know there are a few facts about crossing regular with autoflower that you should know before you start.

  • The autoflowering gene is recessive – so for it to be passed on, both parent strains must possess it. That means your offspring won’t show autoflowering traits until the second generation of breeding.
  • Naturally, ruderalis genetics are much more unstable and less established than regular genes. That means, even if you’re successful – future generations of the same cross might not bode as well.
  • To strengthen the lineage of autoflowering breeding with regular varieties, it’s advisable to perform backcrossing.
THE BASICS OF BACKCROSSING
Due to recessive and dominant genes, it typically takes three to four generations of autoflowering breeding to reach the desired outcome. But, in the case that you’d like to strengthen the traits of one of the strains you started with – you’ll need to learn about backcrossing. Backcrossing refers to taking one of the newly cross-bred genetics and then re-crossing it with the original variety.

Then you’ll restart the generational cycle, and after three or so generations – you’ve officially backcrossed the genetic, making it stronger in one of the original varieties traits."
 
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chico1st

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FirstCavApache64 said:
I'm going to go with Prophet on this and say they didn't auto flower and probably started flowering from stress. The single bladed leaves are a tell tale sign of reveg. If you flip to 12/12 they should flower but if space is a premium as is you might be better putting them outside if that's a possibility.
I'd personally just start different seeds as the time wouldn't be worth the flower based on how much they still have to go but stick with it if you really like the strain. Who was the breeder and what strain?
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Bummer. OK yeah I'll just start over. I could move them outside I guess...but I like my soil too much to lose it :)

The seeds are from Oasis and are definitely listed as Auto PKs on the package. The other Autos I got there were indeed autos. To be honest after trying autos (I usually do photos) I prefer photoperiod plants since I can control them and choose when they switch.

You say single bladed leaves are specifically a reveg thing? Is that true? It's not just a general stress? I've never seen them before. So that's a really handy thing to know if it's true.
 
Dameon187

Dameon187

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chico1st said:
Hello
I have some Auto PK plants they took forever to start flowering (roughly 6 weeks ago). I turned my back on them for 2 weeks and I think they have gone back into veg from flower. I've left them at 18:6hr cycle thier whole life, using a Quantum LED board.

They had stopped stretching for a while, but recently have grown. Also the tallest buds are starting to look wierd. Its like the pistils are coming out of these giant bulbs. Not 100% of the buds are like that but a lot of them are. I put in a picture of a normal looking bud and a wierd one. The normal looking ones are the ones that are furthest from the light if it matters.

Also the leaf coloring has gotten odd lately, yellows and reds. I grow organic in a 30 gal super soil and have a pretty good system so I'm not used to that, which makes me think something odd had happened.

The plants are already as high as they can reasonably go in my tent so I think. If they have vegged, then if I put them back to flower they will stretch again (right?) which I won't be able to fit. So do I need to kill them off and start over or should I just cut them way down?

View attachment 5313172 wierd buds...mostly are like this
View attachment 5313173 normal looking buds in the underbrush.
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My past experience has to have. That's what it happened to me, look like to me whenever it happened I may have some photos if I do I'll share them
 
FirstCavApache64

FirstCavApache64

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chico1st said:
Bummer. OK yeah I'll just start over. I could move them outside I guess...but I like my soil too much to lose it :)

The seeds are from Oasis and are definitely listed as Auto PKs on the package. The other Autos I got there were indeed autos. To be honest after trying autos (I usually do photos) I prefer photoperiod plants since I can control them and choose when they switch.

You say single bladed leaves are specifically a reveg thing? Is that true? It's not just a general stress? I've never seen them before. So that's a really handy thing to know if it's true.
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I've seen it in my garden while re-vegging a clone I took in mid flower. It threw a bunch of single bladed leaves as it transitioned back to vegging. The only other times I've seen it are when people put plants out too early and they start to flower and then have to reveg as daylight changed. Heavy stress can cause plants to throw odd leaf mutations so it's possible I guess.
 
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