Did Ron Paul Win Iowa, Nevada, Minnesota, Colorado and Missouri?

UncleBuck said:
certain caucuses were not counted because they did not get the results in on time. other questions also remain, but no proof of voter fraud has come up YET. that is all i am pointing out.
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Maybe election fraud, not voter fraud, caucuses were held from the 4th up to election day, a lot of those countys were tallied as "0". IT might not just be conspiracy on the establishment GOP, it might just be an incompetence since we've seen the same idiotism recur on previous GOP inparty elections.
 
jdillinger said:
Maybe election fraud, not voter fraud, caucuses were held from the 4th up to election day, a lot of those countys were tallied as "0". IT might not just be conspiracy on the establishment GOP, it might just be an incompetence since we've seen the same idiotism recur on previous GOP inparty elections.
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maddow lead with this story again today, and as details emerge (phone calls to officials, interviews, etc) i'm starting to lean more towards possible fraud rather than incompetence, although it could be a combination of both.

in any case, i just don't see enough votes coming in from the disputed areas to tip it to paul. washington county only had 113 votes last time around with similar overall turnout figures, and only 8 of those were for paul. other places such as single precincts in waldo county and kennebec county just don't have the raw numbers to overcome a 200 vote difference, even if they broke decidedly to paul.

and as i've said all along, what does it even matter? paulistas have proven that they have very little regard for the will of the voters anyway.
 
UncleBuck said:
maddow lead with this story again today, and as details emerge (phone calls to officials, interviews, etc) i'm starting to lean more towards possible fraud rather than incompetence, although it could be a combination of both.

in any case, i just don't see enough votes coming in from the disputed areas to tip it to paul. washington county only had 113 votes last time around with similar overall turnout figures, and only 8 of those were for paul. other places such as single precincts in waldo county and kennebec county just don't have the raw numbers to overcome a 200 vote difference, even if they broke decidedly to paul.

and as i've said all along, what does it even matter? paulistas have proven that they have very little regard for the will of the voters anyway.
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Lets remember, RP campaigned vigorously in Maine, and RP has seen an upsurge of support, so we may see him pull it off, but I have to say, even if they change the result, it won't do any good for RP at least if it happens after super tuesday. The PR that the GOP public watches is the Victory speech for whoever won.

Also not true, the straw poll is a straw poll, delegates are unbound in these states, there is nothing that says they have to support or even that they should support the winner of that county, whoever wants to try and become a delegate is free to become one. Theres nothing dodgy about it, if your new to the process it might seem dodgy, but this is something that has been happening for years, unbound delegates are.. just that UNBOUND. :) Just because ron paul supporters are staying behind to become RP delegates doesn't mean anything against the will of the people. The will of people are those that stay behind for 6hours after the voting is finished to become a delegate of their choice. :) If the GOP is so antsy about it they should just make everything primaries.
 
jdillinger said:
Just because ron paul supporters are staying behind to become RP delegates doesn't mean anything against the will of the people. The will of people are those that stay behind for 6hours after the voting is finished to become a delegate of their choice.
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the will of the people is all of those who bothered to vote.

the will of those who stay around for a few hours after is only the will of the people staying around.

the latter is a subset of the former and not necessarily representative of the whole, and not actually representative of the whole based on what we've seen so far.

it's a free country, but actions have consequences and the fact that many of the ronald people have been deceitful about their candidate of choice is a recipe for backfire.
 
UncleBuck said:
the will of the people is all of those who bothered to vote.

the will of those who stay around for a few hours after is only the will of the people staying around.

the latter is a subset of the former and not necessarily representative of the whole, and not actually representative of the whole based on what we've seen so far.

it's a free country, but actions have consequences and the fact that many of the ronald people have been deceitful about their candidate of choice is a recipe for backfire.
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How can those elected delegates deceive those that are not there electing them?
 
ink the world said:
I applaud you guys for your tenacity, for real

The problem is that these delegates are NOT going to do their job. The delegates are NOT representing the voters they are imposing their will over the very clear voice of the actual voters

If the Romney camp pulled this their would be a mass anneurism among Paul supporters
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And the government is not representing the people, so what is your point? Two wrongs don't make a right, but guess what, the government has committed a couple dozen wrongs at this point in time, and they don't seem to give two shits, now do they?

In that regard, the government and it's favored representatives (Romney) can get a broom stick up the ass for fucking this country over to the hilt, and continuing to do so.

There is a mass aneurysm among the people of this country, do you not see it? It's clearly evident, and by no surprise. The government is financially raping it's people, slowly but surely, indirectly and directly. You want more?


The Romney camp and it's executive hand (the government) will execute corruption leagues beyond that of anything corrupt, regarding your conjured up corruption of the Ron Paul delegates. Hell, it's not corruption if it's a loophole right? These exact types of loopholes are an exploitation used by that of classic politicians. He would be slapping them right in the face if it works, and rightly so because he isn't a classic politician. The irony would be hilarious if successful.
 
UncleBuck said:
the will of the people is all of those who bothered to vote.

the will of those who stay around for a few hours after is only the will of the people staying around.

the latter is a subset of the former and not necessarily representative of the whole, and not actually representative of the whole based on what we've seen so far.

it's a free country, but actions have consequences and the fact that many of the ronald people have been deceitful about their candidate of choice is a recipe for backfire.
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Delegates have been deceitful of their candidate of choice? This is the first I'm hearing of this. I thought that they amassed rp supporters at delegations so they wouldn't have to be deceitful about it? RP delegations are highly organised with their own printouts and pre-determined delegate choices.
 
UncleBuck said:
the will of the people is all of those who bothered to vote.

the will of those who stay around for a few hours after is only the will of the people staying around.

the latter is a subset of the former and not necessarily representative of the whole, and not actually representative of the whole based on what we've seen so far.

it's a free country, but actions have consequences and the fact that many of the ronald people have been deceitful about their candidate of choice is a recipe for backfire.
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Why so worked up? Afraid Paul might actually face Obama and call him out on his ridiculous fancy-talk?

A few weeks ago you were hoping Ron would get the nomination cos it would be an "easy fight" for Hussein, however as the Paul camp has released more info on actual delegate selection you've been trolling hard...

Scared someone will ask Obama the real questions in a debate?
 
UncleBuck said:
i love how he keeps belittling the act of voting as a "beauty contest".
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Becasue that's what it is. The popular vote doesn't decide who wins you clueless Chelonia. I love how you're so full of shit you don't get it. You're so full of shit your breath smells like a buffalo fart on a hot day.

UncleBuck said:
he's like a little baby wailing his lungs out because ron paul is so incredibly unpopular and often finishes last, never winning.
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Many? lol how many times has he finished last?

UncleBuck said:
and there is ZERO evidence of voter fraud. believe me, i watched maddow today and if there was clear voter fraud, she would have been all over it.
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sigh..her show last night was on voter fraud in Maine.
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UncleBuck said:
you cultists need to stop the whining.
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You big government thieves need to quit stealing my money and using force to run my life

UncleBuck said:
i bet if romney or santorum were playing the "ignore the will of the voters" game and taking delegates a la paul, that would also be a conspiracy.
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the elections have always been this way. Funny how you have NO problem with government "ignore the will of the property owner" stealing my money for their causes. You do remember property rights? We were founded on them. But I guess in your world it's okay to be two faced.

UncleBuck said:
grow the fuck up you cult members.
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grow the fuck up yourself you and quit looking for government to take care of you.

ps i think the delegate rule is dumb as is the electorial. It should be popular vote imo.
 
UncleBuck said:
certain caucuses were not counted because they did not get the results in on time. other questions also remain, but no proof of voter fraud has come up YET. that is all i am pointing out.
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sigh...feb 4th caucus totals were sent in and not counted. quit posting
 
lifegoesonbrah said:
Well it would appear Mr. Wead was being untruthful! Sad day for Ron Paul supporters everywhere. I could have just swept this under the rug but in the pursuit of honesty I decided to post about it.

"Washington County was the only county Ron Paul carried four years ago..." Doug Weed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHLXsgn4_B0&feature=youtu.be

Sources showing otherwise:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maine_Republican_caucuses,_2008#Results

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?year=2008&fips=23&f=0&off=0&elect=2
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Something is going on here I don't understand. The Washington County comment has been mentioned before and it had to be brought to the attention of the Ron Paul campaign. YET Wead still mentions it. I haven't heard anyone question the ron Paul campaign on that directly. I did see a post on the another vote in Washington County in 2008 showing Ron Paul doing well and there were alot more votes. Another caucus? dunno
 
UncleBuck said:
ron paul has a 30% favorability rating and a 40% (or more) disapproval rating.

discuss.
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According to a Feb. 14, Public Policy Polling survey, Ron Paul edges out Romney in favorable ratings by a 30% to 29% margin. However, Paul's lead widened when likely voters were asked about their unfavorable views.

Weighing in on the negatives, Ron Paul was seen as unfavorable by 54% of those surveyed, while Mitt Romney scored 57%.
Nationally, Ron Paul is viewed as a real contender against Barack Obama in the 2012 presidential race. Among Republicans, Obama scored 49% against both Paul and Romney. But Romney, who has been the primary front-runner for nearly a year, edges out Ron Paul by only 1 point, with 42% for Romney versus 41% for Paul.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...wn-five-romney-seven-vs-obama-nationally.html

discuss
 
NLXSK1 said:
The great thing about Fox News is they have people like Judge Napolitano, Bob Beckel, and other personalities on and those people can speak their minds and NOT worry about getting fired. The liberal media eats their own like when NPR fired Juan Williams for daring to admit that people in muslim clothing make him fearful when he is boarding an airplane. Fox News just gets higher ratings :P
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Agreed. I like Juan Williams.
 
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