pinner420
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Which bulb did you decided to run in this little devil?
Discuss the advantages of "Vert"
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jonsnow399
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These don't need any reflective material, that needs replacing. Doesn't need air cooling either. I wonder how much their glass reduces output? Having said that, I agree, this thing is way overpriced.
MichiganMedGrower
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The rounded glass will reduce the light output more than flat glass below a reflector. But it is still likely under 10% I bet.
I don't know if I could work around lit open hanging de's. That would be super bright.
I don't see it mentioned anywhere. But I like that my reflectors are at eye level and focused downward. I don't have to be beamed in the eyes with the light. I can stand there and just enjoy the plants.
I would have to turn off that vert de lamp.
jonsnow399
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Just wear sunglasses, don't stare directly at the bulb and you're golden.
MichiganMedGrower
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You would get blasted in my little 9'x8' spare bedroom.
Plus I don't have to and I haven't seen any advantage to setting up vert with my plant count.
If I wanted to maximize production in a small space with unlimited plant count I would do a stadium or shelf vert grow. Then I might consider the tube. I wonder how hot the glass gets?
pinner420
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On average the room would be 10 degrees cooler with one less fan operating.
MichiganMedGrower
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Why? I use glass sealed air cooled lamps. Heat is ducted out immediately.
Not to pick too much but other factors like my low ceiling makes it hard to vent the exhaust up high enough to keep it from building up right back to the canopy.
pinner420
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Reason is convection. Heat goes staight up the cord. You get to use all of your 100ish dollar bulb by surrounding it with plant material instead of a german aluminum reflector aka a heat ratiator that has to be cooled with an auxiliary kick ass fan. So you can utilize more photon watts and less Air conditioning watts. And the room is beatifully quiet.
jonsnow399
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I haven't run one of these but i have run a vertical se. The heat is much easier to get rid of with verticals. I wonder what bulbs you use in these? I don't think ordinary de's can be ran vertical. If you have to use special bulbs they are prolly ridiculously expensive.
MichiganMedGrower
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MichiganMedGrower
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Like I said I would need more fans to keep the heat from building up in the little room with low ceiling. I have to vent the humidity buildup too.
And I heat my house with the exhaust ducted under the living room. Well supplemental heat. Saves a tank of propane a year. About 425 gallons sometimes.
pinner420
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If you use the fan your currently using to cool your hoods and use it as an intake down low and your existing exhaust fan you should be in the neighborhood of exchanging your air 2x a minute. No more hitting your head on the edge or your hoods. Think of all the money you'll save not buying ducting clamps and hoods; oh and no more bees and flys mysteriously laying dead on your glass lens that you have to clean; yes one less thing to clean. It will shock you how much cooler your room runs. Only thing is you'll need to change three things if they are in place. 1. A digital thermometer will be useless unless shaded. 2. You'll enjoy 10% more photons reaching your ladies. 3. You will be forced to wear eye protection....
If you use the fan your currently using to cool your hoods and use it as an intake down low and your existing exhaust fan you should be in the neighborhood of exchanging your air 2x a minute. No more hitting your head on the edge or your hoods. Think of all the money you'll save not buying ducting clamps and hoods; oh and no more bees and flys mysteriously laying dead on your glass lens that you have to clean; yes one less thing to clean. It will shock you how much cooler your room runs. Only thing is you'll need to change three things if they are in place. 1. A digital thermometer will be useless unless shaded. 2. You'll enjoy 10% more photons reaching your ladies. 3. You will be forced to wear eye protection....
digging
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Hey @pinner420 with the above diagram, if one was to use the Vertical Grow Circular for vertical lighting (150.72 sq/ft ) would that square footage increase to 214.72 sq/ft, if you were to combine both vertical lighting fixtures (150.72 sq/ft ) along with horizontal light fixtures ( 64 sq/ft ) ?
pinner420
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My instinct is cubic feet vs square feet is no. All I know is once you go vert you never go back to flat lander style unless your ceiling height could possibly have that much of an effect; however, for which by real world example I have two beauty rooms. One with 5 bulbs and 12ft ceilings power intake and exhaust-- and one with two bulbs and 7 ft ceilings passive intake-- My room with passive intake and lower ceilings produces nicer plants than my tricked out co2 every gadget under the sun taller room. I will venture to guess that my air exchange is just more aggressive and that's with old school 600's. Good ? though. Hell I've been thinking of putting one of those fancy quantum boards over top.. Currently I'm addicted to the 315's performance level for the price of entry.. Vertical growing really is addictive....
MichiganMedGrower
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All the tests I have seen show a 3-5% difference with the glass and easily made up with distance.
I share cooling and heating with the veg room next door to the flower room. It uses an intake fan to bring in cooled air. And it's all integrated into our living area for heat and a/c but I get what you are saying and of course I have seen the images you posted after this.
However. I have chimed in on many a vert thread. Most use trellises in a tent. Curious about yield.
I am matching the highest I have seen with similar wattage with 2 overhead 600's.
I run perpetual staggared plants with a simple 250 watt t-5 veg tent and then into the flower room as plants harvest.
Output averages about 20oz per month and all the coconut oil we can use.
If I monocrop 4 plants at a time I could yield quite a bit higher. I always have different strains from new seeds now.
I have more space in my basement and could grow 6' plants like you show and when I rebuild I can try it. I considered vert bare bulb trees for a while now.
I do like the security of having the next plant ready soon all the time like I have it. And relatively short cycle easy veg system.
ANC
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Apart from the large surface area, Vert when used with the reflective material right behind the plants, leads to the loss of less light.
I know I use planted aquariums a lot as a reference, but when we are dialing in the amount of light used for them, we even take into account the colour of the gravel on the bottom. Light coloured sand and gravel can "increase" light levels (decrease losses), by as much as 40%.
Now, reflective surfaces are not all the same. Prismatic surfaced silver mylar will reflect 3 times the amount of light matt white does.
I know I use planted aquariums a lot as a reference, but when we are dialing in the amount of light used for them, we even take into account the colour of the gravel on the bottom. Light coloured sand and gravel can "increase" light levels (decrease losses), by as much as 40%.
Now, reflective surfaces are not all the same. Prismatic surfaced silver mylar will reflect 3 times the amount of light matt white does.
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