Ditch the glass/aircool

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joe macclennan

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it's a fact that glass reduces the lumens by roughly 10%

His idea of raising the light up 3 or 4 feet is ridiculous. I ran for a long time with no glass on a mover around 12" off canopy with a 1k with no problems.

2' above stationary with no glass should be no problemo
 
kmog33

kmog33

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Sweeve said:
ok bro im gonna stop ur rant right here....i have a an air cooled 1000w HPS on one side of my 10x5x7 tent to finish the plants and make them fatter and i have a 600w HPS uncooled on the other side to induce budding.....i switch them bc i will not get the same yield from the 600w that i can get with the 1000w....the 600w is great bc they come from a 16 bulb T5 veg op with 20% red and 80% spectrum and it really 'fluffs' the bitches up.....but this rant about GLASS is ridiculous.....u may lose a little lumens with glass but not anywhere near enough to PAY me to take it off and expose the ridiculous heat a 1000w throws out to my girls finishing up....so u may go ahead a plague this thread with ur ideas....i mean that bc u dont grow...or ur too chicken shit to say u do, whatever its not the point.....but take it from me, a grower, i want my 1000w with glass and aircooled....bc it YIELDS MORE.....anybody with me on this or am i the only one thats not going to encourage him
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I don't think anyone has encouraged it. Everyone wants proof of which there is none as far as I can tell. Just. Guy with an opinion on an idea.

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SuckMyFreedom

SuckMyFreedom

Member
Fascinating thread. So less light, further away equals healthier plants basically? I'm going to try my grow with the ambient light of one of those 1 watt led nightlights on the other side of the room. And I'm not going to air cool it.
 
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Beblunted

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How to start an argument the internet.
state opinion
and wait


it may of worked for this guy don't mean it will work for you. He dose got a point though.
don't knock it till you try it
 
Royal Blue

Royal Blue

Active Member
If he new anything about growing he would know the foot print of the light bulb being used......


Is your argument that raising the light so
more area is covered while staying in
the optimal distance range is best?

If so your wording is horrible and I'm pretty
sure everyone already does that.



 
TexasHank

TexasHank

Well-Known Member
Royal Blue said:
If he new anything about growing he would know the foot print of the light bulb being used......


Is your argument that raising the light so
more area is covered while staying in
the optimal distance range is best?

If so your wording is horrible and I'm pretty
sure everyone already does that.



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No.. that's not what I'm saying..

But what you are saying drives home a point I was making in my last post..

There are these numbers that many forum growers get really obsessed with... most of it is basically a "more is better" way of thinking.. Combine that with not much knowledge about what makes a plant actually tick.. you have MJ growers (not experienced botanists) with heads full of all kinds of misconceptions.

In reality, there is a much more complex relationship between lighting, plants and the other elements of a grow. Not something I would expect you to really know about, Royal Blue.

I just wished to share info with those who cared to take a look. I'm not really looking to argue on this one anymore.
 
TexasHank

TexasHank

Well-Known Member
joe macclennan said:
it's a fact that glass reduces the lumens by roughly 10%

His idea of raising the light up 3 or 4 feet is ridiculous. I ran for a long time with no glass on a mover around 12" off canopy with a 1k with no problems.

2' above stationary with no glass should be no problemo
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Obviously, if you have a light mover you are talking a totally different situation all together..

Man.. well, at least this place still has Toke n Talk.
 
TexasHank

TexasHank

Well-Known Member
Beblunted said:
How to start an argument the internet.
state opinion
and wait


it may of worked for this guy don't mean it will work for you. He dose got a point though.
don't knock it till you try it
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I'm thinking one or two will try it and see for themselves.

It's hard for most of these folks to get past the idea that MJ does not need intense light pounding down on it..

It's like.. people want to find out how much light they can possibly put on the plant without it burning..

Like, since it is the most it could take without hurting the plant then that must be the best..

Water and nutrients are often over done as well... the quick response from the plant when over doing these (sometimes) quickly teaches them not to.

In a long stretch of growing, where there are so many pieces coming together to make a plant grow.. seeing the relationship between light, plant growth and the other elements is just not simple enough to catch onto with such limited knowledge about what makes a plant work.

Again.. there is a more complex relationship between plants, lighting and the other elements..
It's beyond the average MJ growers head..
 
Royal Blue

Royal Blue

Active Member
First of all people do not think
more is always better that's why
there is something called light burn.

By the way just because you don't have a full grasp on it doesn't mean
others don't.


 
Royal Blue

Royal Blue

Active Member
As for saying this.
  • MJ growers (not experienced botanists) with heads full of all kinds of misconceptions.

    In reality, there is a much more complex relationship between lighting, plants and the other elements of a grow.
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Mj growers are experienced botanist along
with scientist and a lot of other things.
Don't label a whole community like you
know there job and what they do.

You are obviously new to this.
 
TexasHank

TexasHank

Well-Known Member
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Shrubs a has degree in horticulture.. Shrub keeps the light high..

See how high those are... so, does he need to lower his lights?

What do you know that he does not? Did you learn it reading it in a thread? Or is this just pushing the "more is better" theory.

Light, plants and the other elements have a complex relationship that all of you in here arguing... you know basically nothing about..

Sorry to be a dick.. it's just.. it's hard knowing something about plants and talking with you all here... it is difficult.
 
BlueFish

BlueFish

Active Member
TexasHank said:
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Shrubs a has degree in horticulture.. Shrub keeps the light high..

See how high those are... so, does he need to lower his lights?

What do you know that he does not? Did you learn it reading it in a thread? Or is this just pushing the "more is better" theory.

Light, plants and the other elements have a complex relationship that all of you in here arguing... you know basically nothing about..

Sorry to be a dick.. it's just.. it's hard knowing something about plants and talking with you all here... it is difficult.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority


Also, http://fp.optics.arizona.edu/optomech/references/glass/Schott/tie-35_transmittance_us.pdf
 
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