Dj Shorts Original Blueberry vs True Blueberry

budfan3838

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ok so i have searched and googled and googled and cant find the answer to the following question;what is the difference between blueberry and true blueberry (dj shorts of course) which one is best in your opinion?
 

LuciferX

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I read both description of blueberry vs trueblueberry and the difference appears to be that true is 50/50 indica/sativa where as the regular blueberry is 80/20 indica/sativa. I imagine he would have back crossed a few times trying to balance the two but I don't really know jack about breeding and my reply about the difference could be entirely wrong.
 

budfan3838

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I read both description of blueberry vs trueblueberry and the difference appears to be that true is 50/50 indica/sativa where as the regular blueberry is 80/20 indica/sativa. I imagine he would have back crossed a few times trying to balance the two but I don't really know jack about breeding and my reply about the difference could be entirely wrong.
thanks man i appreciate you taking the time to respond

does anyone have a experiance with both of these strains?
 

pho20

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im pretty sure the original dj short blueberry is hard to obtain rite now but no doubt it is as good as it gets wen it comes to bluberry but i wud be hesitant in purchasing that just because i dubt its the real deal
 

Ronjohn7779

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The regular blue berry often times comes out looking more blue than the true blueberry. Both seem to be awesome. Also true blueberry is a much more stable strain than regular blueberry. So you'll have a lot less irregularities between plants and a lot less mutations.
 

Hobbes

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DJ Short

True Blueberry (TB) v. Blueberry (BB): differences--here's my view:

The TB is more akin (literally closer related to) my past European offerings but from a much larger selection pool that I had more input toward. It (TB) tends to be larger (taller) and a bit more productive than the BB. The BB line that I have offered for the past 7-8 years is from different f3 stock than the TB (yet still related as all of my stock is from similar ancestry). I call her (the BB) a "stretch-indica" in that she does like to stretch her nodes, but her buds are very compact with larger calyx structure ("golf-ball buds"); whereas the TB buds are generally composed of smaller calyx (more slender, "pointy") yet still with a very dense bud structure ("spade-shaped" with some foxtail stretch) on an indica-looking plant.

The BB palate is a more "syrupy sweet", fruity smell (more like candy-sweet) while the TB has a higher-nasal palate with astringent/anise undertones (more of a sinus tickle w/ the bud and smoke flavor). I find the TB to be more "heady", almost racy at first, whereas the BB tends to be more body/narcotic in its initial rush and stone duration. Mind you, there is a "range" to both and the above descriptions are in terms of probability and not exclusive to either strain. That is, there is a higher probability of finding a plant w/ small calyx, tight buds with astringent/anise/berry flavor and a more "up-head" in the TB line, and a higher probability of finding a plant with the "stretch-indica" pheno with dense, golf-ball buds and a more candy/berry flavor/palate and a more narcotic (though not really couch-lock) body in the BB line. Both are equally prone to color changes, especially in colder temps, and I find both to be equally potent.


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bongsmilie
 

Hobbes

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from Mr Karma, IMAC forum grower

just my 2 cents, I have grown both but not side by side actually they were years apart.

The Original Blueberry (if it is close to the Original) is A-1 herb very finicky to nutes and it will attract Spider Mites through the wall lol. This herb had the East Coast on a craze circa (1999-2001) many knockoffs/fakes of this flooding the market but the real deal is not to be mistaken. Flavor/High/Aroma are all 10's with this strain DJ Shorts best in my opinion, he has many good strains this is just the best in my opinion. But like I said this strain is as finicky as they come in terms of nutes and environment, if one thing goes wrong and PFFFT no joke. It does Yield Heavy-Indica/Sativa with a 70/30 Indica leaning growth, top notch stone

True Blueberry- It really comes down to what you are into, if you are looking for a knock out stone or frankly any stone at all dont grow True Blueberry, now if you are a taste fiend and high isnt that big a deal to you then you will love True Blueberry. 10 in taste and a 2 in terms of high. Easy to grow-Sativa structure-decent low to medium yield.

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bongsmilie
 

hic

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Well it seems Attitude never has any DJ Shorts Blueberry seeds when I have any extra money..wtf? I am in search of the bluest of the blue in terms of taste. Where can a cat get seeds in the USA to this ever great but elusive strain? Any repuable seed banks carry DJ's gear that take CC. We in michigan need the real deal!
 

Saerimmner

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The Origins of Blueberry Cannabis Strain

The Blueberry strain is without a doubt one of the most exquisite and colorful cannabis hybrids available in seed form today. The history of the strain takes us back to the West Coast of the United States sometime during the 1970’s, where a breeder named DJ Short was working on a multitude of exotic landrace sativas from places like Colombia, Panama, Mexico and Thailand. He was growing up to 100 plants at the time, both indoors and outdoors, on constant lookout for desirable traits in the individuals. Needless to say, he sampled a great number of plants until he found what he was looking for. In his own words, one plant out of one hundred grown carried the traits that he was looking for and then there was still the complicated matter of working with plants that are naturally prone to hermaphroditism, like most pure sativas are to some degree. His efforts would eventually yield fruit and give birth to some of the most highly regarded strains in the world today.
His extensive research led him to the discovery of two very special sativas. According to the master breeder himself, the first plant was a highly potent all-around champion, “Juicy Fruit” Highland Thai female. It packed a very sweet tropical punch and an intense high that lasted for many hours. The second plant was a Purple Thai out of Oregon, Ohio. This plant was a cross between an outstanding Highland Oaxaca Gold and a very freaky Chocolate Thai. The hybrid was very dark colored and would express a deep royal purple color at the slightest exposure to cold. The finished product was equally tasty and strong as the Juicy Fruit female. Although both plants were equally matched when it came to potency, the Purple Thai became DJ Short’s personal favorite. It was emotionally kinder than the Juicy Fruit Thai, which was so strong that it could in large doses evoke terror in the smoker. These two old school "Thai Stick" sativas make up the female pedigree of all the DJ Short strains.

The male that DJ Short used was an Afghani indica that was brought to his attention in 1979 by some growers from California. Although the indica plant was something of a novelty at that time when sativas ruled the grow rooms, it soon became apparent that the plant was here to stay. Growers could grow more herb that finished faster than before by combining the indica genes with old school sativas. In a way this also meant the end of the sativa dominant era that eventually lead to the disappearance of many pure sativa lines that either became hybridized or lost all together. The indica plants were very uniform, short and symmetrical, with thick hairy stems and wide leaf. They were dark green in color with tight, compact nodes and very dense floral clusters that packed an earthy and skunky aroma. The novelty soon wore off as the indica by itself was powerful but lacked the sophistication and complexity of the pure sativas. The indica plant did however contribute to the genetic diversity of modern cannabis plants, which allowed growers more control.
Now with these plants in his repertoire, DJ Short applied his knowledge of breeding and created new floral lines using the three plants that he had discovered. Soon enough he established his two best known strains; namely Blueberry and Flo. Flo was discovered within the initial floral lines where the Oregon Purple Thai was crossed to the indica male. Working further along those lines, DJ Short created the Blueberry by crossing the earlier lines to Juicy Fruit/Afghani hybrids. This means that there is a little of both the sativa mothers in the Blueberry while there is only Purple Thai in the Flo. DJ Short himself explained that some traits were more accessible through the Purple Thai, while others could be found by further crossing the plant to the Juicy Fruit Thai hybrid. The Original Blueberry was bred towards an indica expression although a more sativa dominant plant was also worked on and later refined into what we today know as the Blueberry Sativa.
During the 1980’s and early 1990’s, DJ Short continued to perfect his already highly refined strains. Around 1993 he travelled to Europe to work for the Sagarmatha Seed Company. By 1995 he was supplying this company with seed stock both for sale and for breeding purposes. He was little involved in the selection process but had contracted this company to produce Blueberry, Flo and Blue Velvet; a cousin to the Blueberry that was an even expression of both the indica and sativa parents. Although Blue Velvet is no longer available, Sagarmatha still offer DJ Short’s creations under the names Blueberry Bud and Flow, as well as some more recent hybrids. The relationship with the company was brief and DJ Short moved on to work for another company, Dutch Passion.
DJ Short supplied Dutch Passion with seeds although he was for some reason left out of the selection process once again. On top of the older and established strains, he also created several new ones like Blue Heaven, Blue Moonshine and Purple Passion. Now out of stock, Blue Heaven was a very consistent purple variety, mostly sativa in its expression and with prominent medicinal qualities. Purple Passion was an indica/sativa hybrid that displayed beautiful blue and purple shades, with buds that turned lavender blue to aubergine in color during flowering. The beautiful colours of all DJ Short’s strains have become trademarks but also remind us of the exotic origin of all his strains. Today Dutch Passion still offer some of DJ Short’s masterful creations; namely Blueberry, Original Flo and Blue Moonshine, which is a wonderfully resinous and potent, mostly indica cousin to the Blueberry plant.
Around the same time as DJ Short was working with Dutch Passion he also got to know a Swiss breeder named Steve, who is also the owner of the Spice of Life seed bank. During the following years in 1999-2001 DJ Short started working together with Breeder Steve, selecting plants from a large pool and several new strains were born; namely Moonshine Rocket Fuel, Rosebud and Blue Satellite. Moonshine Rocket Fuel was a very potent hybrid, containing the best of Blue Moonshine and Blue Velvet. Rosebud on the other hand was a truly exceptional plant that was mainly grown for its wonderful aesthetic value but also for its amazing floral scent. This unique phenotype of Flo had tops that actually formed a rose bloom shape from leaves that turned bright red and then faded to yellow. There was very little harvestable bud on this plant, so it never made any commercial success although it was breathtakingly beautiful and highly exotic. Equally exotic was the Flodica, a rare and pure indica expression of Flo, found by chance in the true floral line. However intriguing these exotic varieties might have been, the best known strain to come from skilled hands of these two master breeders was, and is still, the Blue Satellite.
This is where the Blueberry Sativa comes into play. It was developed sometime in the early to late 1980’s and purely bred by DJ Short until he shared some seeds with Breeder Steve from the Spice of Life seed bank. Numerous mothers and fathers were selected and kept for breeding purposes and were eventually used to make the Blue Satellite strains by combining Breeder Steve’s Shishkeberry male to the Blueberry Sativa mother for the first version of the plant and his Sweet Tooth indica for the final versions. Breeder Steve also combined a variety of Blueberry plants that was given to him by DJ Short to some of his own strains, including his famous Sweet Pink Grapefruit and Sweet Skunk. He created many new strains that he still offers in seed form today. All of their joint projects have yielded wonderful plants that testify to the skill of these two breeders.
More recently, DJ Short has also worked with other highly skillful breeders like Red from Legend Seeds and Chimera, combining several different lines of the Blueberry plant to already well established strains. Many of the strains have the same Blueberry Sativa father, known only as B130. The B130 male was a an exceptional father, a very Purple Thai dominant sativa that has since then passed on and no longer exists, making some of their joint releases limited editions. Many of these strains combine highly refined genetics to the Blueberry, ranging from Neville’s Haze to Sweet Skunk to the original 20 year old Cali-O orange bud. All of these hybrids deserve a second look.
The joint releases from Spice of Life, Legend Seeds and Chimera are far too many to mention here but some of the new strains require special attention. Like the Legends Ultimate Indica and DJ Short’s own True Blueberry and F-13. True Blueberry is a re-worked version of old Blueberry genes and the F-13 is considered the peak expression of the Blueberry Sativa and Flo. The Holy Grail of all DJ Short’s creations if you will and also his own personal favorite. Choosing between the Original and True Blueberry can be difficult but according to the master himself; both are equally potent and prone to color changes. The True Blueberry is called the ultimate hybrid of Blueberry expression, selected for its superior quality from a larger gene pool. Where the original Blueberry is mostly indica, this new hybrid contains the best from both worlds, and is both indica and sativa in expression. Although related, the True Blueberry was selected from different stock than the current Original Blueberry, and is slightly more productive. The Original Blueberry can be called a “Stretch-Indica”, in that she tends to stretch her nodes but her buds are very compact with larger calyx structure. The True Blueberry is more of a sativa bloomer on a indica looking plant. The bouquet of the original Blueberry is a more candy sweet and fruity smell while the True Blueberry has a higher nasal palate with anise undertones. Both plants are however exceptional in both scent and taste, thanks to the exotic stock used to create both strains. The high of the “True Blue” is also slightly more racy and cerebral than the narcotic, though not “couch-lock”, body stone of the original version. Naturally there is a range of plants to be found within either strain but one thing is certain; all of them will have long shelf life, improving with age like fine wine. The first version of the True Blueberry was also fathered by the now extinct B130 male and can therefore be considered a limited edition of this famous plant.
Some of DJ Short’s more recent creations are Grape Krush, Vanilluna (Vanilla Moon) and Cocoa Kush. The Cocoa Kush displays a structure, and other properties, familiar to Kush enthusiasts. Both Vanilluna and Cocoa Kush have the same Blueberry Sativa mother as the Blue Satellite and the father is the Original Blueberry “Stretch-Indica”. The difference being that Vanilluna resembles Blue Heaven while Cocoa Kush displays some of the traits of the Chocolate Thai from the initial floral line.
As you probably realize by now, all the work done by DJ Short on the initial floral lines as well as the Blueberry and Flo strains span over several decades and represent a great deal of expertise when it comes to selective breeding. Keeping track of the lineage of all the different strains quickly becomes difficult, if not impossible, since the parentage and genetic make up of certain strains have changed over the years. It is, however, certain that all the strains are of high quality and closely related to each other in one way or another. Some plants are siblings while others are distant cousins. Perhaps it is best to consider all of them as different representatives of the initial parental lines. Some lean towards the Purple Thai while other bear resemblance to the Juicy Fruit Thai, yet others express the indica heritage, sometimes in pure form or in combination with the sativas. Since different phenotypes can be discovered within each strain, it would take a lifetime to grow out all the possible plants that are waiting in the magical beans provided by DJ Short and the people that he has worked with. Close to 40 years of breeding experience speaks for itself.
 

Green Inferno

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Well it seems Attitude never has any DJ Shorts Blueberry seeds when I have any extra money..wtf? I am in search of the bluest of the blue in terms of taste. Where can a cat get seeds in the USA to this ever great but elusive strain? Any repuable seed banks carry DJ's gear that take CC. We in michigan need the real deal!
Try this place:
http://hempdepot.ca/seeds/dj_short/index.html

They'll take money orders, not sure on the credit card though.

That site is reputable, many people have ordered from there without issues.
 
Hey, I just want to thank you for your reviews. It was them who made me decide for Serious' Bubblegum instead THC's. And now I think you've just made me decide for the TBB. Tanks a lot.
 

axl

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does the dj short blueberry, still have a high probabilty of turning hermie? I just recieved mine, but am hesitant to pop them, i dont want them polinating my plants, and i dont feel like searching the plant each day for little banannas.
 

FriendlyTokez

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Saerimmner, what a post! You gave us some really detailed information and for me it was a really well written chronological overview of DJ Short's work

DJ Short True Blueberry is on my wishlist this holiday season, I don't like running out of this strain because of the pain relief/anti-nausea qualities. I combine ground up True Blueberry with camomile tea and milk for stomach flu or when me or my pals feel like achy/we're about to be under the weather, the milk is optional but milk fat really helps transfer more of the THC into your system.

Flo has a spicy smoke and it's strong, but the flavor is not my favorite.
 

smellzlikeskunkyum

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wow i hope people know that most of DJ shorts stuff is all from the same genetics.... Flo, Bluberry, True blueberry, blue moonshine, old time moonshine, cocoa kush, grape krush, etc. they are all the same bluberry/flo line just some are F5(blueberry) , some F6(true blueberry) some are the same genetics but different phenotypes that were re-grown into different strains. grape krush, blue moonshine, cocoa kush are all blueberry plant phenotypes of all different generations. almost all of his seeds are like that. i know someone who grows dj shorts blueberry(from a 15 year old clone) and he is trying some cocoa kush this time too. the cocoa kush looks identical to the blueberry but it has slightly bigger leaves and a little tighter node spacing. he said the final product that he tried was a lot like blueberry, but with a chocolate aftertaste. his dj short blueberry looks sativa, but the buds knock u right down for the count. i heard true blueberry is more of a mixed high..
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They ALL come from the Blueberry/FLO line of genetics, they are all just re-worked to be different phenotypes. and he did a VERY good job btw. his flo and bluebery are what Dutch Passion chose to use in their line of genetics. i have had FLO too, i loved it. it tasted like roses, and had a hashy aftertaste. very potent sativa/indica hybrid smoke, with hues of purple.
 

Saerimmner

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Saerimmner, what a post! You gave us some really detailed information and for me it was a really well written chronological overview of DJ Short's work

DJ Short True Blueberry is on my wishlist this holiday season, I don't like running out of this strain because of the pain relief/anti-nausea qualities. I combine ground up True Blueberry with camomile tea and milk for stomach flu or when me or my pals feel like achy/we're about to be under the weather, the milk is optional but milk fat really helps transfer more of the THC into your system.

Flo has a spicy smoke and it's strong, but the flavor is not my favorite.
Id love to take the credit for it mate but its copied n pasted from a website, hit me up if ya want the link :-)
 

smellzlikeskunkyum

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@Saerimmner: yeah but thats great info u posted still... i hadnt even read that yet. u are completely correct tho. i was somewhere in there, i knew quite a bit about dj short already, but u even taught me too!! thx man +rep
 

ClosetSafe

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"True Blueberry" is the sixth or seventh filial generation of "Blueberry" according to the seedfinder.

If I were to break Dj shorts genetics down, I would divide it between his Purple Thai Afghani and his Highland Thai Afghani. His (Purple Thai Afghani is Oaxacan Gold x Chocolate Thai x Afghani) and commonly referred to as the "Floral line" and then there is this (Highland Thai x Afghani) Male that come around once in a while and has it's way with the women of the floral line.

If the F2 of the "Floral Line" is "Floral Line" then the F3 is Temple Flo and the F4 is where the "Blue Berry Sativa" is located and commercially "F-13" is the F5 of the Purple-Thai-Afghani and "Flo" is also a commercially available F6 of the floral Line.

F2=Floral Line
F3=Temple Flo
F4=BlueBerry Sativa
F5=F13
F6=Flo

Blueberry is the result of the F1 Highland Thai Afghani male f**king and the F3 Temple Flo (Purple Thai Afghani).
True Blueberry is the result of those babies having babies and those babies having babies for 4-5 more generations....

F1= Blueberry Line
F2= Blueberry
F3=(What you get from Dutch Passion?)
F4= not available commercially
F5= not available commercially
F6/7= True Blueberry

http://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/True_Blueberry/DJ_Short/

Blueberry »»» Blueberry Line F2
Blueberry Line F1 »»» Temple Flo x HTAF F1
Temple Flo F3 »»» Floral Line »»» Purple Thai x Afghani
Purple Thai »»» H.O.G. x Chocolate Thai
H.O.G. »»» Mexico »»» Sativa
Chocolate Thai »»» Thailand »»» Sativa
Afghani »»» Afghanistan Probably Indica »»» Indica
HTAF F1 »»» Thailand x Afghani F1
Thailand »»» Sativa
Afghani (specified above)

True Blueberry »»» Blueberry F6,7
Blueberry (specified above)
 
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