DMT... aliens or god? What is the 'presence'

Beefbisquit said:

Even a virgin who hasn't had sex can tell you that the feeling of an orgasm isn't a message from GOD or aliens.... idiot.

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bullshit, a virgin cannot tell you what a woman cumming on your cock feels like, you prolly dont know either lmao, i cant tell you what a mans muck feels like on my tonsils, i would ask you but you only like asking questions and not answering.

ineverveg said:

snip...you can tell me its not aliens or god but you have no evidence

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It's bigfoot in a costume; not aliens or god. Prove it isn't.
^See why that makes no sense? See how you're effectively trying to demand evidence without providing any for your rather extraordinary claim?

I wasted a year of my life in a sociology minor, lol. I got so pissed off and the professors hated me because I was so critical of it. I just wanted to make it more quantitative, but they didn't seem interested in that. It's like the anecdotal qualitative side of it was like religion to them. It's the only way, there is no other way to do it.

I'm sure Beef has read plenty of it, but I highly recommend reading the works of Karl Popper to everyone.

^ duly noted, seems like a wise man worth reading into, altho, im somthing of an idiot anyway, shit still interest me, ahha

Bublonichronic said:

^ duly noted, seems like a wise man worth reading into, altho, im somthing of an idiot anyway, shit still interest me, ahha

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I'm an idiot too, so you're in the right place. The good thing about Popper is he is pretty easy to understand, it's all common sense; it's just... you know how sometimes we have to have common sense pointed out to us, lol?

Heres my two cents. Having smoked DMT a bunch of times, ive broken through fully once. And let me tell you, everyone has these glowing experiences of 'breaking through' and how wonderful it was. It is not wonderful. It is fucking terrifying behind comprehension during it. I definitely am a believer of inter-dimensional souls existing, they are as real as me or you want them to be though obviously. I dont even think I could comprehend the breakthrough, it was literally like I died, I couldnt see anything at all [going blind triggers some shit in your brain that makes you panic], I heard the noise, it was like being inside an erupting volcano, a deep bubbling resonance, with clicking/tocking/popping noises which I perceived to be 'them' communicating amongst themselves. The souls manifested right before my eyes, I could not see my room or my body, they wrapped their arms around me and I became everything that they were. They were me, and at the same time they were their own. At this point I managed to utter ' am I going to die ' to my girlfriend [roughly 5 minutes into it but it felt like 15 mins of so]. She heard me and had a worried tone in her voice, she looked like an angel, i couldnt see her face or even her body at all, I could see different colored lines in a ghostly shape, I guess those are her aura? Fuck knows. After about 15 minutes I could actually perceive my room, where I was, and I lay there in utter joy that I didnt actually die and that I was alive. To this day I have constant euphoria from the experience.

Beefbisquit said:

A virgin couldn't debate with someone what it FELT like to have a 'lady cum on his cock', but he can certainly tell you the feeling doesn't come from an alien....
And NO, you are not an expert just because you've experienced something.

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whats aliens got to do with sex though ?,you're trying to confuse the issue as your original statement was erronous !
the analogy you used was stupid !

like i said im an expert compared to YOU because you have NEVER experienced DMT, the molecule you know so much about! BUT IM NO EXPERT, i have done 6 grams in the last 6 weeks but im just getting into it, hence my interest in the presence i feel,im not the only one btw its very common https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dmt+alien+experiences&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

you haven't really looked into this have you,your really focused on debunking aliens aren't you, i wanted this to be a hub for people like the guy below to share their own personal experiences.
the title says it all really what do you think the presence is, basically you have no business posting on this thread iand i wish i could block you for the simple fact you are a dmt virgin and you have nothing to bring to the thread!

xthrx said:

Heres my two cents. Having smoked DMT a bunch of times, ive broken through fully once. And let me tell you, everyone has these glowing experiences of 'breaking through' and how wonderful it was. It is not wonderful. It is fucking terrifying behind comprehension during it. I definitely am a believer of inter-dimensional souls existing, they are as real as me or you want them to be though obviously. I dont even think I could comprehend the breakthrough, it was literally like I died, I couldnt see anything at all [going blind triggers some shit in your brain that makes you panic], I heard the noise, it was like being inside an erupting volcano, a deep bubbling resonance, with clicking/tocking/popping noises which I perceived to be 'them' communicating amongst themselves. The souls manifested right before my eyes, I could not see my room or my body, they wrapped their arms around me and I became everything that they were. They were me, and at the same time they were their own. At this point I managed to utter ' am I going to die ' to my girlfriend [roughly 5 minutes into it but it felt like 15 mins of so]. She heard me and had a worried tone in her voice, she looked like an angel, i couldnt see her face or even her body at all, I could see different colored lines in a ghostly shape, I guess those are her aura? Fuck knows. After about 15 minutes I could actually perceive my room, where I was, and I lay there in utter joy that I didnt actually die and that I was alive. To this day I have constant euphoria from the experience.

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thanks for sharing your experience mate, very good read,wish we could get some more genuine discussion on the subject ! first hit i took the first words to come out my mouth were to my wife ''please dont hit that pipe,promise me you wont,you cant have this, its insane'' and then i felt like i was in a small pyramid full of symbols and shapes and i started telling her to hit the pipe coz there's nothing to be scared of its paradice here but sadly i put her off for good lol

Well put, breakthrough is terrifying the first couple times, Iv always wondered if it was for superficial reasons, and if it was, Does thqt mean i didnt achieve ego death...but having killed my ego numerous times, I almost feel less human like i can't relate to most people
edit: also my first breakthrough all that I was thinking after travel was "oh no I broke my brain!"

Bublonichronic said:

Well put, breakthrough is terrifying the first couple times, Iv always wondered if it was for superficial reasons, and if it was, Does thqt mean i didnt achieve ego death...but having killed my ego numerous times, I almost feel less human like i can't relate to most people
edit: also my first breakthrough all that I was thinking after travel was "oh no I broke my brain!"

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lmao i had to come down the other night in the middle of a four hour 'meditation' ,simply because the fact i was a human being made no sense at all to me and i needed a touch of reality for ten minutes just to check all was well !

ineverveg said:

whats aliens got to do with sex though ?,you're trying to confuse the issue as your original statement was erronous !
the analogy you used was stupid !

like i said im an expert compared to YOU because you have NEVER experienced DMT, the molecule you know so much about! BUT IM NO EXPERT, i have done 6 grams in the last 6 weeks but im just getting into it, hence my interest in the presence i feel,im not the only one btw its very common https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dmt+alien+experiences&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

you haven't really looked into this have you,your really focused on debunking aliens aren't you, i wanted this to be a hub for people like the guy below to share their own personal experiences.
the title says it all really what do you think the presence is, basically you have no business posting on this thread iand i wish i could block you for the simple fact you are a dmt virgin and you have nothing to bring to the thread!



thanks for sharing your experience mate, very good read,wish we could get some more genuine discussion on the subject ! first hit i took the first words to come out my mouth were to my wife ''please dont hit that pipe,promise me you wont,you cant have this, its insane'' and then i felt like i was in a small pyramid full of symbols and shapes and i started telling her to hit the pipe coz there's nothing to be scared of its paradice here but sadly i put her off for good lol

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You are a common sense virgin.

Drugs make me hallucinate, therefore aliens or god. Clown.

Beefbisquit said:

There's no evidence to support that what you're feeling is anything other than a feeling. To assume it has to be some sort of intelligence is jumping to a conclusion with no justification.

With no evidence supporting any one 'theory' as to what you're feeling; we could sit here and mentally masturbate all day about what is 'could' be.

I think it's Dr. Who.... not the new one, the dude from the 80's that has traveled into your mind in his retarded phone booth. And you know what? There's just as much evidence t support my theory as yours about god, or aliens.

TAG, you're it!

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Lol this thread is great.. ^ prime example of why explaining anything regarding psychedelics is POINTLESS. We cud sit here and bounce back and forth all day. The sinple truth is there is no explaining anything. Take everything as a grain of salt. Because thats all it is. Tag youre it...

ineverveg said:

whats aliens got to do with sex though ?,you're trying to confuse the issue as your original statement was erronous !
the analogy you used was stupid !

like i said im an expert compared to YOU because you have NEVER experienced DMT, the molecule you know so much about! BUT IM NO EXPERT, i have done 6 grams in the last 6 weeks but im just getting into it, hence my interest in the presence i feel,im not the only one btw its very common https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dmt+alien+experiences&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

you haven't really looked into this have you,your really focused on debunking aliens aren't you, i wanted this to be a hub for people like the guy below to share their own personal experiences.
the title says it all really what do you think the presence is, basically you have no business posting on this thread iand i wish i could block you for the simple fact you are a dmt virgin and you have nothing to bring to the thread!



thanks for sharing your experience mate, very good read,wish we could get some more genuine discussion on the subject ! first hit i took the first words to come out my mouth were to my wife ''please dont hit that pipe,promise me you wont,you cant have this, its insane'' and then i felt like i was in a small pyramid full of symbols and shapes and i started telling her to hit the pipe coz there's nothing to be scared of its paradice here but sadly i put her off for good lol

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if she was at all satisfied with how her life was at the time she wuda never hit it after u mumbled am i going to die lol...

Damn site didn't post my post last night..oh well,its a lost cause..I'm going to the strain reviews..way more interesting that a bigger nutsack competition...

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Beefbisquit said:

You are a common sense virgin.

Drugs make me hallucinate, therefore aliens or god. Clown.

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Beefbisquit said:

Holder of the burden[edit]

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What claim have i made ?

I simply wanted a discussion on what peoples perception of the presence was when you take dmt. For me this isn't a debating contest ,and if you persist in your ignorant arguing on a subject you have no experience with then you really are just trolling

A few people spoiled a possible good thread here, and none of those people have anything to bring to the table regarding the question posed in the OP, you are one of them !

Its not just me...


For a minute it seemed pleasant enough, but then something happened that I am still attempting to sort out for myself. I have read with some degree of scepticism the many reports on DMT trips which talk about alien intelligence, alien presence, etc. and always thought that this was other peoples' interpretation of what was going on in their minds during their trip, and that my mind would not go there. I was wrong. To my utter disbelief, and even though I was fighting it at the time (and losing), I experienced what I can only call an alien presence. It felt like an invasive mental probing by an alien force. I did not want to believe in it, I was fighting it, but it was undeniable. As preposterous as the concept was, there it was, posing as truth, running my mind. At the peak of this section of the experience, I was having "revelations" that were so outlandish that I realized I probably could not express them to my friends or anyone later on, because they just sounded too insane. They still do to me as well.


Principally, I had a sudden vision, or I should say a concept or a "truth", that was so out there that it terrified me that I had gone so far as to think it, no matter what I was high on. I was "told" that all human life on earth was merely a long-term genetic experiment by extraplanetary life-forms alien to us. Our very existence was owed to them although it was in their program not to have us realize this.

this was taken from http://csp.org/nicholas/A4.html ,just one account of many

[h=1]Aliens and Entites[/h] topic posted Sat, December 9, 2006 - 12:58 PM by Peter

I have this strong feeling that Aliens or UFO and the Entities experienced wihl under DMT or Ayahuasca are some how related or connected to each other. Both things " Aliens and Entities" I think are real.

Does any one out their have any insight or ideas into this relationship. In many of my experiences there is many times this very alien presence to the Entities, the strangest part it the very technological feeling of many of these types of encounters. As if the Entities are real and there is some sort of strang technology some how involved with them that they are using. Has anyone else had this I know Terrance Mcanna talked about this allot.


taken from
http://dmt.tribe.net/thread/d995258d-38e5-4bef-9528-8d493a627d7c

ineverveg said:

What claim have i made ?

I simply wanted a discussion on what peoples perception of the presence was when you take dmt. For me this isn't a debating contest ,and if you persist in your ignorant arguing on a subject you have no experience with then you really are just trolling

A few people spoiled a possible good thread here, and none of those people have anything to bring to the table regarding the question posed in the OP, you are one of them !

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The moment you claim something "is" something, you have made a claim to some truth. You said they were aliens or god. The fact is they can be claimed as nothing better than figments of your imagination until you can bring something objectively meaningful back from your trip. I don't take issue with the fact that you thought you saw god, aliens, or Elvis. I do take issue with your unsubstantiated claim that it has any objective meaning beyond shared responses like any drug has; that is the claim made by you when you say it's aliens or god.

kpmarine said:

The moment you claim something "is" something, you have made a claim to some truth. You said they were aliens or god. The fact is they can be claimed as nothing better than figments of your imagination until you can bring something objectively meaningful back from your trip. I don't take issue with the fact that you thought you saw god, aliens, or Elvis. I do take issue with your unsubstantiated claim that it has any objective meaning beyond shared responses like any drug has; that is the claim made by you when you say it's aliens or god.

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I would imagine this man would disagree...

Terrance McKenna and DMT
The molecule DMT (N,N-Dimethyltryptamine) is a psychoactive chemical that causes intense visions and can induce its users to quickly enter a completely different "environment" that some have likened to an alien or parallel universe. The transition from our world to theirs occurs with no cessation of consciousness or quality of awareness. In this environment, beings often appear who interact with the person who is using DMT. The beings appear to inhabit this parallel realm. The DMT experience has the feel of reality in terms of detail and potential for exploration. The creatures encountered are often identified as being alienlike or elflike. Some of the creatures appear to be three-dimensional. Others appear to lack depth.

Author Terence McKenna has used DMT and feels that, "Right here and now, one quanta away, there is raging a universe of active intelligence that is transhuman, hyperdimensional, and extremely alien... What is driving religious feeling today is a wish for contact with this other universe." The aliens seen while using DMT present themselves "with information that is not drawn from the personal history of the individual."



DMT is also naturally produced in small quantities in the human brain, and it has been hypothesized that DMT is produced in the pineal gland in the brain. The pineal gland appears in the developing human fetus around 49 days after conception. Perhaps an embryo should not be considered human until DMT production commences. Note that "zygotic personhood" (the idea that a fertilized egg is a person) is a recent concept. For example, before 1869, the Catholic church believed that the embryo was not a person until it was 40 days old. Naturally occurring DMT may play a role in near-death experiences and alien-abduction experiences.
Is it possible that the reality exposed to humans by injecting DMT is in some sense a valid reality, on par with our normal reality? Our minds, which evolved to help us run from lions on the African savannas, might not be engineered to see these other realities under normal circumstances.

What is the guarantee that our minds are naturally designed to sense the "true reality"? Perhaps there is no guarantee. If this concept seems weird, consider a far-fetched example. Imagine a creature or phenomena that has been lurking among us since the dawn of evolution. If our ancient ancestors died every time they perceived the phenomena, evolution would favor creatures who did not perceive the creatures or phenomena. One might counter this argument by saying that our modern instruments, such as X-ray machines and cameras, should be able to make the creatures apparent to us, even if our unaided sensorium is not up to the task. Reasoning further, because our instruments have not made these realms apparent to us, the realms must not be real. However, perhaps our traditional instruments and theories are also not up to the task. Or perhaps our interpretation of the instruments' results is incomplete. Perhaps DMT is an instrument.

As a metaphor, consider infrared goggles. A person leans on a tree. At night, we don't see the person. Put the goggles on, and a new reality results — a truer reality — and we see the man. Similarly, is it possible that our brain is a filter, and the use of DMT is like slipping on infrared goggles, allowing us to perceive a valid reality that is inches away and all around us?

kpmarine said:

you said they were aliens or god. The fact is they can be claimed as nothing better than figments of your imagination until you can bring something objectively meaningful back from your trip.

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have you ever had dmt ????

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