DNA Testing and Terpene Fingerprinting

HGK420 · Feb 14, 2015

Hydroburn said:
prices of beans are fine.... you are paying for the dna of the best specimen in the pack. if they were too expensive no on would buy them.

sounds like shitty grower problems. even an average grower should not be getting many hermies. probably get better terp profile if you werent doing whatever youre doing.

You read anything about all the hundreds of other quality non herm seeds I find? Most companies breeding with certain genetics end up with a Herm here and there but not consistent. That's reserved for only a few companies.

Your guys argument with me is the equivalent to me being a crack head and telling you your crack is whack.. I'm a seed junkie. I pop beans every couple weeks by the handfuls. I've popped 3 or 4 generations before one is done. So telling a seed junkie like me that I'm doing something wrong when clearly the %'s say otherwise is a little silly.

Ace Yonder · Feb 14, 2015

Hydroburn said:
prices of beans are fine.... you are paying for the dna of the best specimen in the pack. if they were too expensive no on would buy them.
sounds like shitty grower problems. even an average grower should not be getting many hermies. probably get better terp profile if you werent doing whatever youre doing.

Hydroburn said:
all i read is you saying almost every pack you run has hermies, and then a couple posts later you listed a bunch of breeders that should not be herming... and you getting hay smell and weak results. 500 beans is not that many imo.
if you are getting that shitty of results you arent in a position to comment. but youre 10 pages in now, so just looks like an idiot.

Alright man, if you're gonna be callin' people out on bein' a shitty grower and their right to comment, what earned YOU the right to chime in? As far as I can remember I haven't seen you post a single pic of a plant you've grown. Why don't you throw up a couple so we can see how jaw-droppingly amazing they are so we know how you earned the right to tell HGK he isn't in a position to comment. I mean, even JD has thrown up some nice shots to prove that at the very least he's a talented grower.

HGK420 · Feb 14, 2015

Hydroburn said:
all i read is you saying almost every pack you run has hermies, and then a couple posts later you listed a bunch of breeders that should not be herming... and you getting hay smell and weak results. 500 beans is not that many imo.

if you are getting that shitty of results you arent in a position to comment. but youre 10 pages in now, so just looks like an idiot.

Actually ive contacted a couple breeders with my documented grows, remained humble and honest admitting that the fault probably lay somewhere in my system, tho only 1 in 4 packs throw any herms at all. So far 2 of everyone's favorite breeders have been extremely grateful to get honest and thorough documentation of herming, and were talking true Herm here not just a few nanners. Well these breeders were very gracious and offered replacements every time for the headache, which I declined, that's just how seeds today work. I'd love it to be burpee status but we just aren't there yet.

Say what you want about my ability but in today's extremely fast evolving quick to put to market seed world you end up with herms every now and again. The only stress my plants see is the occasional moving in soft pots and I've been fighting thrips on and off for a year now so for herms to pop up either the genetics were extremely sensitive or they were genetically prone too.

Do you think anyone would be against me making a thread listing all the results? I reckon I can dig through my pictures and notebooks and get a pretty good list on what's what.. Hmm lemme get the tots to sleep and get medicated and see where the OG takes me.. Maybe il drop the list tonight hell I'd be interested myself to see them all side by side.

HGK420 · Feb 14, 2015

Holy grail kush , DNA , 1 pack,
Sour kosher, Dna , 1 pack,
Comfidential cheese, reserva privada , 1 pack
Headband , reserva privada , 1 pack
Recon , DNA , 1 pack
Grape la , DNA limited. , 1 pack
Ambulance , 303 , 1 pack
Dankstar , 303 , 1 pack
Apex kush, 303, 1 pack
Sasquatch , 303 , half pack
Sd4 x biodiesel, 303, half pack
Biodiesel bx1 , 303 , haven't popped yet just put here to brag
Dazy jones , Devils harvest 1 pack
Bay dream , gdp seeds, 2 packs
Purple dream , gdp seeds , 1 pack
Phantom cookies, gdp seeds, 1 pack
Grape stomper OG, ggg, 1 pack
Kaleidoscope , ggg, 1 pack
Boss hog , cali connection , half pack
Corleone kush , Cali connection , 1 pack
Tahoe OG, Cali connection , 1 pack
White rhino , greenhouse, 1 pack
Ladyburn 74, greenhouse, 1 pack (ladyburn is right, burning hair is more pleasant)
Kaia kush , greenhouse, 1 pack
Jack herrer, greenhouse, 1 pack
Diesel, dinafem. 1 pack
Kush n cheese , dinafem 1 pack
Critical mass, cbd crew 1 pack
White widow x big bud , female seeds, 1 pack
Blue venom , g13 labs 1 pack
Blowfish, hazemen, 1 pack
Grape 13, hazemen , 1 pack
Elephant stomper , hazemen, 1 pack
Blue bubba, hazemen , 1 pack
Sour power, hortilab, 1 pack
Starbud, hortilab , 1 pack
Emdog, hso, 1 pack (3seed pack)
Polar bear OG , karma , 2 packs
Wonder Woman , nirvana , 1 pack
Kryptonite , pyramid, 1 pack
Chronic , serious , 1 pack
Early pearl , sensi , 1 pack
Chernobyl , tga , one pack
Jilly bean , tga, one pack
Qush, tga, one pack
Lsd , Barnes farm , 1 pack
Tangerine dream , Barneys farm, 1 pack
Blue Tara , bodhi , 1 pack
Silver mountain, bodhi, 1 pack
Aruba land race, bodhi, 1 pack
White lotus, bodhi , 1 pack
Cherry mountain , bodhi , 1 pack
Pure visa , bodhi , 1 pack
Azure haze, DJ short, 1 pack
Blueberry , DJ short 1 and half pack
F13, DJ short , 1 pack
At least 10 packs of private unsold beans from breeders/friends
At least 100 random freebie plants usually singles.. No way To judge off singles

These are just the packs I've popped that I can dig up off hand. Probably a few more in there.

Out of all this I'm still running hgk, sour kosher, polar bear og, kaleidoscope, and a few cuts I've collected. There's a few I wish I still had but lost for whatever reason.

If it's wanted il go into detail on as many of the packs that I recall/wrote down info on. If everyone just wants me to stfu that's cool too lol, I'm just saying, I'm addicted to poppin seeds and DJ shorts didn't wet my whistle, weak weak phenos. Many many of the listed strains above produced awesome flavorful phenos, just not ones me or my patients cared enough for. There's some serious stinkers on that list too tho that made the phenos of DJ shorts stuff look like cup winners to soooooo.... I reckon it's all just relative in the end..

And by no means is my list huge or anything. I got a friend that makes me look like a rookie seed popper lol

Observe & Report · Feb 14, 2015

Wait a sec, when JD was talking about fakes I thought he was referring to other breeders selling seeds called "blueberry." i.e. JD believes that only DJ Short has the real blueberry and every other breeders version is not the real blueberry. Are you guys suggesting that there are packs of DJ Short Blueberry being sold that don't actually have DJ Short's seeds in them? In other words, are there counterfeit DJ Short seeds going around?

trontreez · Feb 14, 2015

Sativied said:
Patenting/licensing strains is a normal perfectly acceptable practice in the real world. Doesn't mean it has to become more expensive for growers, just more interesting for more professional and dedicated breeders to invest their time and money. It's not to fill the pockets of the breeder, it's to prevent others from filling their pockets based on the hard work of others. It's currently mostly interesting for those looking for easy money or large corporations. Suggesting an actual breeder who's gear gets stolen to ask how to earn the business of those who don't even appreciate/value the work is imo not realistic.

You don't understand that DJ Short stole the hard work of Indigenous farmers IBL's to create his Blueberry through his own pollen chucking. He has only produced one good strain ever and a couple of OK strains. Now he wants to patent that strain because he's greedy and wants to fill his own pockets and is to inept to breed new quality strains. No one stole his gear. He sold his cuts and beans without having a disclaimer that you can't use it for your own private or commercial breeding projects. If other breeders out there take Blueberry and breed it themselves and make it into something better than the original well good on them. He never trademarked the name Blueberry either.

How about you all first stop buying (or worse, selling) ripped pollenchucks so the real breeders can make some money, maybe even grow large enough to survive the evil corporations else you can eventually all bark up that tree.. Same thing goes for all the character judgements and personal attacks in this thread, how about you all target that to those who buy (or worse, sell) ripped pollenchucks... cause this thread shows nicely why real breeders are hard to find or don't share a lot at trollitup and forums in general:

Try not doing that for a week or so... maybe you'll all learn something from this guy.

There's nothing to learn from JD Short. He's not a breeder by any stretch of the imagination. He understands very little about cannabis itself from his initial post you can see that clearly. In fact he's the one suggesting he wants to go the corporate way and patent Blueberry and sit back and collect a paycheck for doing nothing. He keeps changing his argument as to why he's upset because legally and morally he doesn't have a foot to stand on. His beans are ridiculously over-priced too for what they are too.

I like many others am boycotting DJ Short because of JD's ignorance and behavior here and DJ's views on patenting nature!

It's a shame because I believe Blueberry was a great strain at one stage although it's always been known as a difficult to grow strain. So some props there to DJ for creating Blueberry. Thank-you! But no thanks for your views on patenting nature and breeder protection rights.

trontreez · Feb 14, 2015

Observe & Report said:
Wait a sec, when JD was talking about fakes I thought he was referring to other breeders selling seeds called "blueberry." i.e. JD believes that only DJ Short has the real blueberry and every other breeders version is not the real blueberry. Are you guys suggesting that there are packs of DJ Short Blueberry being sold that don't actually have DJ Short's seeds in them? In other words, are there counterfeit DJ Short seeds going around?

I believe that is what JD is suggesting. Counterfeit DJ Short seeds in seemingly authentic breeder packs. Sounds ridiculous I know. Anyway I have a simple iron-clad method to prevent this from happening so if your really keen on eliminating the fakes PM me JD and we can talk business.

Ace Yonder · Feb 15, 2015

trontreez said:
I believe that is what JD is suggesting. Counterfeit DJ Short seeds in seemingly authentic breeder packs. Sounds ridiculous I know. Anyway I have a simple iron-clad method to prevent this from happening so if your really keen on eliminating the fakes PM me JD and we can talk business.

Cladding the packs in iron would certainly work

daybreaker · Feb 15, 2015

JD one way to make everyone happy is to give us some of your new strains.Then we can throwm in a pot,budm out,cutm curem take pics and smokem.Then we come back...saaaaaayyy 4 months from now and talk about your weed.Whattaya say???Hell,you could revamp your next generation idea with a bang.As long as the shits good.Like sativad said about this "non forum" you get caught up in this madhouse of assholes and motherfuckers just trying to ruin your day cuz their life sucks...and truly boredass losers jerkn it to porn in one window while typing in RIU.hahaha BUT seriously,i'd be down to run a tester on some of your breeds.

Ace Yonder · Feb 15, 2015

Observe & Report said:
Wait a sec, when JD was talking about fakes I thought he was referring to other breeders selling seeds called "blueberry." i.e. JD believes that only DJ Short has the real blueberry and every other breeders version is not the real blueberry. Are you guys suggesting that there are packs of DJ Short Blueberry being sold that don't actually have DJ Short's seeds in them? In other words, are there counterfeit DJ Short seeds going around?

Yeah, he already clarified, the claim he has made is that many (most?) of the seeds being sold as "DJ Short's Blueberry" are fakes.

Jd Short said:
Wow, are there really 50 seed banks offering Dj Short seeds! I must rich….oh wait….The funny thing is is that there's probably more.

He has stated that while he's not thrilled at the idea, he is fine with people using the word blueberry in their own strains as long as they don't claim it's DJ Short blueberry.

Jd Short said:
And if you bred your own Blueberry strain and called it blueberry, that's great. .... but if they did, and they insisted on calling it Blueberry, I'd only ask that it wasn't marketed as "Dj Short's" Blueberry, you know?

So the claim is definitely that fake "DJ Short Blueberry"s are out there in large numbers

Jd Short · Feb 15, 2015

Sativied said:
Wow...

@Jd Short:

Patenting/licensing strains is a normal perfectly acceptable practice in the real world. Doesn't mean it has to become more expensive for growers, just more interesting for more professional and dedicated breeders to invest their time and money. It's not to fill the pockets of the breeder, it's to prevent others from filling their pockets based on the hard work of others. It's currently mostly interesting for those looking for easy money or large corporations. Suggesting an actual breeder who's gear gets stolen to ask how to earn the business of those who don't even appreciate/value the work is imo not realistic.

Thank you Sativied.

Sativied said:

".....and even answering which seed banks do sell the original implies those he leaves out aren't selling the real thing. Regardless, if you were really interested in knowing where you can buy a certain strain you could pm or email him or even ask in another thread/setting probably and figure it out. It seems the question in this thread is however meant solely to lure him out to point out and accuse specific seed banks or individuals even, to shoot himself in the foot, or perhaps after this thread the other foot, rather than making yourselves informed customers.<<<<BAMM!

I've been saying that for days. I suspect Arthur isn't the only one here affiliated with another seed distributor/vender.....the herd grumbles. Dust clouds grow on the horizon.....

I documented my Blueberry grow and I think the pictures clearly meet the description of the strain. I got some f-13 going now, too. Why would I share something that's just gonna be attacked. I also got some pre-blueberry f-3's. I'm seeing all sorts of interesting things in the old genetics, but why would I share those things with people are just gonna attack me and or worse, my father for my work? We really are just like big kids sometimes. Big scared kids....

As far as discussing where I recommend getting beans. The discussion doesn't have to stop here. As I've already stated I live in a state where medical is legal and recreational is about to go legal in a few months. (2+2=?) But if anyone thinks that attacking me and my work, or my father is going to get me to discuss how I conduct myself, as I've said previously, I can go play somewhere else boys. It's a big playground.
I reside in Oregon.
And I didn't know private messaging was an option. And if it is, I don't know how to check em.

Ace Yonder said:

Alright man, if you're gonna be callin' people out on bein' a shitty grower and their right to comment, what earned YOU the right to chime in?

lol...that's awesome. I see how it is. It's perfectly fine for you and others to attack me all day...shit, all night long and then someone does it back and you're gonna cry about it. Like I said, big scared kids.....

HGK420 said:

Damn malv you used to be much less aggressive? Maybe you do need to go bust a nut...
Arthur has been an asshat for days and no ones said a word to him.
'....birds of a feather....?'

trontrez, you're hardly worth responding to. As a matter a fact, I have much more important things to do with my life like breed the dankest buds you've ever seen. (sarcasm) You can keep grumbling in the herd, but when that stampede turns on you the dust you'll be choking on will be your own.

This is all the time I got for now. At this point this thread has become a waste of time. Maybe I'll post some pictures of my pre-blueberry f3's for all the haters to grumble over? Maybe some f-13's. Maybe the strains I'm making my outcrosses from. I have them going now...doesn't anyone wanna know what I'll be putting that f-4 Blueberry pollen on?

Anyway, when anyone feels like talking about something cool and feels like taking a break from all the hating....hit me up. Otherwise...have fun grumbling in the herd.

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greenghost420 · Feb 15, 2015

not hate, just wanting to know one point of distribution. too much to ask from a breeder? what are you using for an outcross?

Jd Short · Feb 15, 2015

trontreez said:
I believe that is what JD is suggesting. Counterfeit DJ Short seeds in seemingly authentic breeder packs. Sounds ridiculous I know. Anyway I have a simple iron-clad method to prevent this from happening so if your really keen on eliminating the fakes PM me JD and we can talk business.

And I didn't say anything about counterfeiting packs, but you did.....
And Im interested in this 'iron-clad method' you have for preventing counterfeiting seed packs. More appropriately Im just interested in how you got in the business of making counterfeit-proof seeds packs.....you know what they say; "he who smelt it...."

Alright...now I really gotta go...
Peace.

trontreez · Feb 15, 2015

Jd Short said:
And I didn't say anything about counterfeiting packs, but you did.....
And Im interested in this 'iron-clad method' you have for preventing counterfeiting seed packs. More appropriately Im just interested in how you got in the business of making counterfeit-proof seeds packs.....you know what they say; "he who smelt it...."

Alright...now I really gotta go...
Peace.

I never said you did. I just suggested you did based on your earlier posts

I don't make any breeders packs themselves but have a simple aftermarket system to easily identify authentic from fake packs. Your welcome to pay me for my hard work and ideas just like you expect DJ Short to get paid for his. The only difference is everyone else is free to use my idea after I sell it to you. Your advantage is being the first to use it and to have a head start over all other breeders on the market.

HGK420 · Feb 15, 2015

Hydroburn said:
that is a lot of hermies dude. that you are saying its most packs, or 1 in 4, or 50% tells me you are just talking in circles, and dont have your shit dialed in.

you did manage to round up a bandwagon of support for your ego in this thread, so good job in that regard.

The support isn't some magic trick because I'm cool or something... In fact im the opposite of cool 99% of the time.. The support stems from my grievances being just and genuine.

Blueberry is the one slice of the flavor pie I've never been able to nail down. Ive popped close to 100 blueberry/blue dream cross seeds with very little luck. Like 2 plants had pleasant blueberry tones in the bay dream packs. I direly would like a blueberry section of my garden.

If enough people could come out of the wood work With proof or opinion that DJ shorts blueberry is awesome il eat my shoe right now. Like I said before I'm still planning on running a few more packs of it if I can get some for $50 again but I can't justify more with my experiences so far. If when I get said packs of blueberry they are any different then before il make sure to update with pics of the shoe cooking(can't eat a shoe raw) but so far I can't say anything positive without lying to myself trying to be a DJ short fanboy.

HGK420 · Feb 15, 2015

And the evolution of my amount of hermies was due to me just saying it without thinking the first time (most) then I just threw a crude estimate on the overall amount of hermies without distinguishing between the different kinds (about half) then I broke it down a little further (granted not very clearly)

But I do concede you are right, "that is a lot of hermies" and it's not every seed company either soo idk what to say?

Edited to add also... Uncle Ben if your floating around out there still... Your pretty just in being grumpy at the current landscape that is the seed world. I've dove in heavy heavy at this point and it's kinda a mess, an absolute joke compared to vegetable seeds, but we can't expect more with the legal status yet..

Moral of the story, sorry for the gruff in the past Ben I see your point of view much clearer but we can't be to critical on these seed companies just yet, Imo standards are beginning to be set tho so the future looks bright.

st0wandgrow · Feb 15, 2015

HGK420 said:
I'd say 50% of the packs I've popped have had at least one Herm....

That does seem like a lot of herms. I've only had one plant full on throw male and female flowers in the past 2 years, and I've probably germinated 15+ packs in that time frame. I get the occasional nanner, but very rarely a hermaphrodite.

Are you sure you don't have any environmental issues going on?

HGK420 · Feb 15, 2015

st0wandgrow said:
That does seem like a lot of herms. I've only had one plant full on throw male and female flowers in the past 2 years, and I've probably germinated 15+ packs in that time frame. I get the occasional nanner, but very rarely a hermaphrodite.

Are you sure you don't have any environmental issues going on?

It's rare that they go full Herm and drop clusters. That was the 1 in 4 packs will drop one bean that does it. Every big handful of seeds I see usually 1 full Herm is how I judged that. I usually germ about 40 at a time.

I'd be wiling to bet i haven't seen to many herms outa the companies of the last 15 packs you've germed. Look at my list back there.. A lot of diff companies some good.... Some not so good Imo. Certain genetics you can't really help it either, Death Star crosses love to show wieners, same with cookies and some OG's

toomp · Feb 15, 2015

HGK420 said:
It's rare that they go full Herm and drop clusters. That was the 1 in 4 packs will drop one bean that does it. Every big handful of seeds I see usually 1 full Herm is how I judged that. I usually germ about 40 at a time.

I'd be wiling to bet i haven't seen to many herms outa the companies of the last 15 packs you've germed. Look at my list back there.. A lot of diff companies some good.... Some not so good Imo. Certain genetics you can't really help it either, Death Star crosses love to show wieners, same with cookies and some OG's

Don't think I seen a cookie that wasn't confused

st0wandgrow · Feb 15, 2015

HGK420 said:
It's rare that they go full Herm and drop clusters. That was the 1 in 4 packs will drop one bean that does it. Every big handful of seeds I see usually 1 full Herm is how I judged that. I usually germ about 40 at a time.

I'd be wiling to bet i haven't seen to many herms outa the companies of the last 15 packs you've germed. Look at my list back there.. A lot of diff companies some good.... Some not so good Imo. Certain genetics you can't really help it either, Death Star crosses love to show wieners, same with cookies and some OG's

That's a good point. I haven't really messed with any cookie crosses or other stuff that's more prone to intersex

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