Do Americans Know How Weird and Extreme Their Collapse is Getting?

Mr.Jiujitsu

Mr.Jiujitsu

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Unclebaldrick said:
What did you enjoy most about the article? How did it's main premise (weirdness) help you make sense of current events? What will you do differently today as a result of Umair's criticism?
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I think it’s crazy wierd that people actually vote for candidates that say shit like that. I enjoyed the promotion of his stance so maybe people recognize how bad it has gotten in some places
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Mr.Jiujitsu said:
I think it’s crazy wierd that people actually vote for candidates that say shit like that. I enjoyed the promotion of his stance so maybe people recognize how bad it has gotten in some places
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I appreciate your answer. I think most of us realize that there are some very messed up people that have gained an empowered political voice. I have read a good chunk of Umair's writing and I still wonder exactly what he is suggesting that we do about it. There are some here who suggest that the best way to buck the very clear political trend is to adopt radical policies in the hope that a grassroots movement will rise up nationwide. Others suggest a more pragmatic approach that takes into account these trends toward "conservativism" and allows local candidates to take into account the current thinking of their voting constituents.

Which do you favor, or, do you have another way of addressing the problem?
 
INF Flux

INF Flux

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Unclebaldrick said:
I appreciate your answer. I think most of us realize that there are some very messed up people that have gained an empowered political voice. I have read a good chunk of Umair's writing and I still wonder exactly what he is suggesting that we do about it. There are some here who suggest that the best way to buck the very clear political trend is to adopt radical policies in the hope that a grassroots movement will rise up nationwide. Others suggest a more pragmatic approach that takes into account these trends toward "conservativism" and allows local candidates to take into account the current thinking of their voting constituents.

Which do you favor, or, do you have another way of addressing the problem?
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Wow, do you work at MSNBC? Or just plagarize thier talking points?
 
Mr.Jiujitsu

Mr.Jiujitsu

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Unclebaldrick said:
I appreciate your answer. I think most of us realize that there are some very messed up people that have gained an empowered political voice. I have read a good chunk of Umair's writing and I still wonder exactly what he is suggesting that we do about it. There are some here who suggest that the best way to buck the very clear political trend is to adopt radical policies in the hope that a grassroots movement will rise up nationwide. Others suggest a more pragmatic approach that takes into account these trends toward "conservativism" and allows local candidates to take into account the current thinking of their voting constituents.

Which do you favor, or, do you have another way of addressing the problem?
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I’m not sure how to address the problem, I live in a rural area that’s a hippy- gun toting- environmental- liberal and pro choice - legalized cannabis place. So when we have candidates that want to run that talk like that, they are quickly dismissed.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Mr.Jiujitsu said:
I’m not sure how to address the problem, I live in a rural area that’s a hippy- gun toting- environmental- liberal and pro choice - legalized cannabis place. So when we have candidates that want to run that talk like that, they are quickly dismissed.
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Oregon has more than a few like that in the legislature. You forgot to include our governor who is a lesbian. Merkely, one of Oregon's senators is close to your description.

If you are thinking of moving here, don't. The weather is awful and you won't find any jobs. Also you have be a vegetarian to even be allowed to enter the state and you can't buy property if you eat tuna that isn't dolphin safe.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Mr.Jiujitsu said:
I’m not sure how to address the problem, I live in a rural area that’s a hippy- gun toting- environmental- liberal and pro choice - legalized cannabis place. So when we have candidates that want to run that talk like that, they are quickly dismissed.
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But we agree that there is a problem. Umair does not appeal to me as he seems to lack any solution that will realistically gain back the levers of political control in this country. Instead he seems to rely, and benefit from, whining about how bad things are (which is kinda ironic for a guy from Yemen, but, hey, ya gotta earn a living somehow). The fact of the matter is that liberal enclaves such as the ones that you live in represent a minority of electoral votes. Unless we allow local politicians to have the latitude to win local elections before condemning them for their lack of progressive purity, we will live under a national government like the one we have today.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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INF Flux said:
Wow, do you work at MSNBC? Or just plagarize thier talking points?
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Weren't you just whining about insults?

Yeah, you were.

Snore.
INF Flux said:
Democrats are bad because they represent donors interests too much, causing them to lose support of voters like TTY and myself. Perhaps regaining that support should be something Democrats are interested in doing? Alas, continued attempts to motivate through insults and ignorant vote shaming seem to be the strategy of the day. It'll work this time, keep telling yourself that
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So you just negated my viewpoint because it is not in agreement with yours and lacked the purity that you desire?

This is why you are marginalized. This is why I see you as a symptom of the current political environment - and one that will likely play into the hands of Trump.

All the while you will be throwing insults while loudly whining about being insulted. Tty would be proud. I think he found a partner for his podcast.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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you vote for local politicians based on local issues, you have to put local issues into perspective when voting for national candidates. people apparently find that hard to do, they continue to vote for the people that are best for them as individuals(or at least who they think is best for them), instead of trying to look at the country as a whole.
progressives aren't attractive to anyone but other progressives. the strategy would be to get your party in power, then start working to promote more progressive policies and candidates. trying to shove the progressive platform down peoples throats just makes them resent and resist it. if you take the time to work from within, you can get your goal achieved without anyone even realizing what you're doing, till it's done
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
you vote for local politicians based on local issues, you have to put local issues into perspective when voting for national candidates. people apparently find that hard to do, they continue to vote for the people that are best for them as individuals(or at least who they think is best for them), instead of trying to look at the country as a whole.
progressives aren't attractive to anyone but other progressives. the strategy would be to get your party in power, then start working to promote more progressive policies and candidates. trying to shove the progressive platform down peoples throats just makes them resent and resist it. if you take the time to work from within, you can get your goal achieved without anyone even realizing what you're doing, till it's done
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They are all for consensus building - just want what they want - believe what they believe - represent their interests. Otherwise they will sulk and not bother to participate in the process. Some of these people that shout the loudest can't even be bothered to vote (I am talking about you @schuylaar and @ttystikk )
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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tty said he voted for hillary. i'm sure he would have rather voted for bernie, but not all fantasies can come true.
no idea about schuylarr.
i'll admit i didn't vote in the final election, at the time i didn't feel either candidate was viable, and couldn't make a choice.
now i wish i could go back and vote for hillary. i doubt it would have made any difference, but my conscience would have been a little clearer. at least it would have been a vote against trump.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
tty said he voted for hillary. i'm sure he would have rather voted for bernie, but not all fantasies can come true.
no idea about schuylarr.
i'll admit i didn't vote in the final election, at the time i didn't feel either candidate was viable, and couldn't make a choice.
now i wish i could go back and vote for hillary. i doubt it would have made any difference, but my conscience would have been a little clearer. at least it would have been a vote against trump.
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Tty couldn't even remember who he voted for on the same day of the Colorado primary last month. I urge anybody to examine the public voting rolls from that primary when they become available. I seriously doubt whether he bothered to vote. Schuylaar put more effort into getting a full chicken nugget than she did into changing her registration from Independent to Democratic in the 2016 California primary so that she could vote for Barnie.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
you vote for local politicians based on local issues, you have to put local issues into perspective when voting for national candidates. people apparently find that hard to do, they continue to vote for the people that are best for them as individuals(or at least who they think is best for them), instead of trying to look at the country as a whole.
progressives aren't attractive to anyone but other progressives. the strategy would be to get your party in power, then start working to promote more progressive policies and candidates. trying to shove the progressive platform down peoples throats just makes them resent and resist it. if you take the time to work from within, you can get your goal achieved without anyone even realizing what you're doing, till it's done
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Conservative-leaning districts or even some states such as Senator Manchin's West Virginia aren't monolithic in their acceptance of progressive policies, In those states, some policies are embraced and others rejected. Agree with you that to "shove the progressive platform" as a single set of policies to be rejected or accepted as one would be insane in states like West Virginia or Pennsylvania. West Virginia is an example of states that don't fit the Progressive(TM) rigid approach to politics. There is no way that Democrats would gain the House in the fall if they hew to such a distinct and hard line.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Fogdog said:
Conservative-leaning districts or even some states such as Senator Manchin's West Virginia aren't monolithic in their acceptance of progressive policies, In those states, some policies are embraced and others rejected. Agree with you that to "shove the progressive platform" as a single set of policies to be rejected or accepted as one would be insane in states like West Virginia or Pennsylvania. West Virginia is an example of states that don't fit the Progressive(TM) rigid approach to politics. There is no way that Democrats would gain the House in the fall if they hew to such a distinct and hard line.
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But those districts should represent Tty's interests!
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Unclebaldrick said:
Tty couldn't even remember who he voted for on the same day of the Colorado primary last month. I urge anybody to examine the public voting rolls from that primary when they become available. I seriously doubt whether he bothered to vote. Schuylaar put more effort into getting a full chicken nugget than she did into changing her registration from Independent to Democratic in the 2016 California primary so that she could vote for Barnie.
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I wonder had they offered free chicken nugget samples at the election booth and when you registered, would that have made a difference for Sky
 
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