Do femmed seeds have different phenos?
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hornedfrog2000
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Yes, they are just like the reg seeds in that regard.
HerbRon
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depending on the bank/strain you can get surprisingly different phenos from fem seeds!
(818)MedicineMan
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I actually get more phenos per pack from female seeds vs regs.
400wattsallday
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no 2 plants for seed are going 2 ever be 100% identical like clones ever.
Ender87i
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Well i bought the following femmed seeds:
- G13 x Haze (from Barneys farm)
- White Russian (from Serious seeds)
- PurpleWreck (from Reserva privada)
Anybody have anything to say about these strains as far as phenos go?
Or even if you have anything else to say about these strains..?
- G13 x Haze (from Barneys farm)
- White Russian (from Serious seeds)
- PurpleWreck (from Reserva privada)
Anybody have anything to say about these strains as far as phenos go?
Or even if you have anything else to say about these strains..?
missnu
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I know that if you hermie a plant and then use the pollen to make fem seeds that the fem seeds you get grow out just like the fem seed plant you sprayed to make it hermie...this is just from my experience...so the fem seeds you get will be the same pheno as the plant that gave the female pollen...unless they use fem pollen to make a cross, and then you get all manner of phenos again...
But I ordered a fem seed of a strain called Rocklock from DNA Genetics..and I really liked it...but since it was a fem seed the only way I could reduce it to seed with no male, would be to have it hermie..and I would rather do it chemically than have the plant do it itself...so I sprayed one rooted clone with Sodium Thiosulfate Solution (STS) and didn't spray another rooted clone growing beside it...Then they both went to flower...one clone was of course female, but the other one was i had sprayed was more male than female..anyway I took the fem Rocklock pollen from the hermie I had made and put it on the other plain old female clone of the same strain, a clone from the original plant in fact...and I got seeds that grow out just as uniformly as any clone of the same beginning Rocklock plant...It gets confusing though..because I don't want to steer people wrong, but I have a hard time telling which plant is a clone from the original Rocklock, and which one is a fem seed I made...they are exactly the same...
So...in summation I am not sure what I am saying...but there---I said it!...
Oh wait..yes, now I remember...
Fem seeds if done correctly would give you the same plant as the plant they were collected from...
I did use some hermie pollen to chuck a little and those seeds are different because it was 2 different strains...but if a fem seed is made by a plant, for a plant, it can be only that one plant...
I guess you could have a 5 pack of seeds and let's say you get 3 different female phenos you could get a mix of phenos by hermieing one and leaving the other 2 to make the seeds and you will see variation, but ideally a fem seed is one plant that has been cloned, and essentially seeded by it's own pollen..thus making it a copy, with no phenos or variations.
But I ordered a fem seed of a strain called Rocklock from DNA Genetics..and I really liked it...but since it was a fem seed the only way I could reduce it to seed with no male, would be to have it hermie..and I would rather do it chemically than have the plant do it itself...so I sprayed one rooted clone with Sodium Thiosulfate Solution (STS) and didn't spray another rooted clone growing beside it...Then they both went to flower...one clone was of course female, but the other one was i had sprayed was more male than female..anyway I took the fem Rocklock pollen from the hermie I had made and put it on the other plain old female clone of the same strain, a clone from the original plant in fact...and I got seeds that grow out just as uniformly as any clone of the same beginning Rocklock plant...It gets confusing though..because I don't want to steer people wrong, but I have a hard time telling which plant is a clone from the original Rocklock, and which one is a fem seed I made...they are exactly the same...
So...in summation I am not sure what I am saying...but there---I said it!...
Oh wait..yes, now I remember...
Fem seeds if done correctly would give you the same plant as the plant they were collected from...
I did use some hermie pollen to chuck a little and those seeds are different because it was 2 different strains...but if a fem seed is made by a plant, for a plant, it can be only that one plant...
I guess you could have a 5 pack of seeds and let's say you get 3 different female phenos you could get a mix of phenos by hermieing one and leaving the other 2 to make the seeds and you will see variation, but ideally a fem seed is one plant that has been cloned, and essentially seeded by it's own pollen..thus making it a copy, with no phenos or variations.
colonuggs
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hermie seed creates hermie weed...you usin a plant that went hermie....more than likely the beans will produce hermie plants
OGEvilgenius
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This will be the case if you're getting true F1's in reg form. Those will be quite uniform as the dominant traits from two IBL's will express themselves fairly evenly (not perfectly, but pretty similar). A selfed plant, especially if it's largely Xx chromosomes will have a lot of variance. Most selfed plants tend to have a few recessive dominant traits that stand out however. But the end story is there is tremendous potential variability with all seeds.
Where fems lose me is they lack hybrid vigor and the chances of a negative recessive coming out is much much higher. For humans breeding with cousins it's around 1/8 matings will produce a child with a fatal recessive condition, 1/30000 between unrelated parents, and the same is true for plants only it will be an even greater chance in a selfed plant unless that plant has been tested extensively and you know many breeders do not do this.
Couple questions cause I got PW in flower right now if you can help out... 1) Which phenos are hermi prone and 2) how late in flower - late enough my crop wont be ruined? Please help!
smellzlikeskunkyum
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O YEAH FEM SEEDS certainly have dif phenos. All depends on a million different factors tho... Fem seed strains can be bred different ways, some produce results very much closer to the original than others. this is what u need to remember.
polyarcturus
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well it all depends on how they breed them their are so many variable that can be played with ahead of time.
A) you can create clones of a females, herm one and breed them all back so they are all essentially the same genetics and all female, less pheno
B) you breed one female hermied with sisters from reg seed to get a larger pool of genetics,more pheno
A) you can create clones of a females, herm one and breed them all back so they are all essentially the same genetics and all female, less pheno
B) you breed one female hermied with sisters from reg seed to get a larger pool of genetics,more pheno
missnu
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Do you know how they make fem seeds sir? They take a solution of Collodial Silver, or Sodium Thiosulfate Solution and spray the plant...which makes it hermie...then they take that hermie pollen and pollinate hopefully a clone of the plant that they sprayed...lol.
Wrong. That isnt how it works.