Do I have some bum seeds/plants?

WHATFG

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I bought what I thought was Chronic seeds. A while later, I was reading something somewhere and they suggested that buying seeds from where I bought them was a waste of money. Too little too late.

Anyway, I planted some of the seeds. I got 2 girls. The "problem" is they don't really look like the other plants I have planted. I know they all don't look alike but these are significant differences. For example, these two plants are much taller, spread between buds/nodes, no odour, not a lot of crystals except deep within the bud, skinny skinny leaves....at first I thought maybe it was a sativa, but the odour thing has me suspicious that I'm growing rope.
One I pinched early on but neither one of them have a "single cola" thing happening like all the other plants are doing.

First pic is my Freedom 35 doing fine second pic is of one of the "buds" on one of the suspect plants, the last pic I was trying to show how spread out things are. I think if they had crystals or odour I would feel much better.

Any advice, suggestions .......
 

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NorthofEngland

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Where did the information, that criticized the source of your seeds, come from?

There's a lot of bad blood between breeder/banks and often propaganda campaigns are launched.
Can you trust the information MORE than the place you got the seeds?
 

kermit2692

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What your explaining is not a guarantee that you got something other than what you paid for, i've had two beans of the same kind from a trusted source look very different..its all in genetics and its unlikely your seedbank is shady...why don't you just say where you got em?!
 

kermit2692

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So I just looked at the pics...don't be offended we have all been there but I can tell instantly the problems are coming from lack of grow experience..judging by the look of the bud id guess your room is running hot, also you have some mad stretch going on...I can grow a bunk ass bag bean and it will still look way better, the problems your seeing are not the fault of genetics man! Feel free to list everything you do and use,I will point out your problems
 

WHATFG

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Sorry for the lack of specifics not trying to be secretive. No doubt I'm new at this!!
I bought the seeds from Canadian Hemp Co. I also bought seeds from Dr Greenthumb. I bought from Dr. G after CHC and there was a notice saying that chc was not authorized to sell dr.g. seeds and if so they were a scam.

Anyhow...I have a Bloom box. These plants are 67 days old. They have been flowering for a total of about 30 days

I just harvested my first crop over christmas. I had this batch on the veg side. I wanted to sex them before I moved them to the flower side so I changed my 400 watt cfl from 18/6 to 12/12. They were at 12/12 for 20 days. Before I switched time, they were towering above everything else in the veg chamber. They have been under 400 watt HPS for the last 10 days. My temps fluctuate between 75 and 85 during the day and down to about 68 at night, no co2, ph running 6.0, my tds are at 1200-1400 and my water temp is 65-68 F. I did add some ph adjusted water as some of the leaves were looking nute burnt. Have added hygrozyme as there were some dead roots from transferring over from veg to flower resevoirs, the water is clear, no smell, lots of bubbles. Roots are discoloured, but I think it's from the nutes. I have a predetermined amount of nutes depending on what stage of the game I'm at. The nutes are Future harvest?? Common, flower, super b+, carboblast and budboom.

I think that about covers it. Hope I didn't miss any pertinent info.

Thanks
 

kermit2692

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Shit I grow soil lol...but yes your temps are high for no co2..75 is your target anything over 80 and your in the danger zone where it becomes hard for the plant to retain moisture, this causes that kind of scraggly look you have going toward your tops and will cause your final product to smell like green hay with little potency! So you went 12 12 in veg side then went back to 18 6 or just flowered directly after and had done your first twenty days flowering under the wrong light?? I would advise you never sex your plants early, this stunts growth and is truly pointless, wait the couple Weeks and it will tell you sex, you also shouldn't flower before you see alternating nodes instead of the branches growing right across from each other, this is the final sign of natural maturity. If you threw them straight to flower disregard that but don't start flowering under flouros next time! Keep those flouros real close in veg to minimize stretch and switch to that hps to start flowering to minimize stretch also. Get that temp in check and those things alone will put you in a much better spot!
 

WHATFG

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I went from CFL 12/12 to HPS 12/12. Can you maybe explain why it would have towered above everything else on the veg side? This is what made me think it was a sativa. I have some Kish and purple kush that I started and treated under the exact same conditions. One of the PK is quite small albeit from the towering Chronic, but it will flower into a single bud. The Kish is short and bushy full of flowers. Isn't the alternating branches a sign of being female as opposed to branches being directly opposite being a sign of male? i also experimented with the two Chronic plants. One I pinched the top. It split beautifully, but still the same thing...no odour, no crystals, stretched out skinny tiny leaves....but both are full of buds. i keep weighting down the branches so they don't touch the glass. the temp thing is tough right now because we are having such a strange winter.

Thanks
 

ThorGanjason

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Fwiw, I think he explained his pics in the wrong order. I think the last pic is the first one he explained, the one that's "doing fine" (which I think it is). It looks like the first 2 pics are suspect. The last one definitely doesn't have the stretch.

Also, in pic #2 (I think) the lead thing that's going on, where the leaves are drooping and the outsides are curled down, and they don't seem to have much strength-- that's something that I notice with mine when I'm going a little too heavy on the feedings.

I'm sure that grower error has attributed to some of the stretch, but I dunno he might not be crazy thinking the genetics he got were bogus.
 

kermit2692

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The bottom line is nobody can tell for sure so its important to find a place you can trust for genetics..it is still very possible to get that variation within a strain. If every little thing in your room was perfect it would be much easier to see a sure strain difference but since you have some issues to fix its very hard to call out the seedbank because I don't see anything crazy about the variation you see with the room conditions your running..could they have sold you improperly labeled beans yes, could your stretch be from heat, flowering in the veg room for twenty days, or genetics within the strain also yes and much more likely imo but then again I trust the place I get beans from already...fix up those issues and try a company everyone already trusts next time and switch lights right when you switch to flower...no alternating branches will happen on both males and females when they become sexually mature
 

kermit2692

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Ganjason..the number two Pic and what your describing is the reason I guessed correctly that his temp is too high..with over feeding you will see tip burn on the tips of the leaflets, what he has looks more like lack of moisture caused by heat imo even though you can have that look from a couple different problems lack of other factors pushes me away from calling this a def or over fert..looks like a water/ humidity/heat issue to me caused solely by high heat pulling moisture from the leaves since i'm pretty sure this type of system sits in water it really can't be unavailable, that said I grow soil Idk how to tell if he's feeding heavy by the information he provided
 

kermit2692

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Nvm I looked again I see some tip burn but its not horrible to where id expect problems...def ramp off the nutes a bit for a while and fix that heat! Best two things you can do for this current grow
 

WHATFG

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So this morning I check in on my girls...definitely showing signs of nute burn. Since I haven't od'd on the fertilizer, the only thing I can think of is the excess roots from transferring resevoirs. I got a little strainer, strained as much crap our as I could, then drained the resevoir and put just ph adjusted water into the tub. I will let them flush for a couple of days...Tuesday is the usual day for changing the water. I also have a small fan blowing under the box. Trying to keep temp below 80.

It's so weird that not all the plants are reacting the same way. Just goes to show how individual strains really are. The 2 plants on either side of the nute burnt plant look absolutely healthy and happy. Once I got rid of some of the excess roots, I was quite happy to see nice white shoots coming out. Let's me know I'm doing something right.
 
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