Do I like a terpy stud or a well structured stud?!?

HGK420

HGK420

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i am digging through 38 cherry mountain beans.

21 male 17 female

Out of the 21 make I've whittled it down to 7. 6 that show alright structure but are terptastic and 1 that is built like Sylvester Stallone but smells about like my aloe plant...

So I understand that I'm about to ask some questions that are pretty bug generalizations and I know I'm asking for generalizations for answers but that's cool I get the inherent randomness of breeding I'm just curious.

Ok so my first question is: how important is the stem rub/terp profile of the male and how much does it pass down? (Obviously depends on if those are dominant traits and Yada Yada Yada but does that ever happen? A male flavor a cross?

Second question: let's say I find some females that match up to my males.. I have 3 males that are skunk tastic and 3 males that are menthol lime Chinese pain cream... If I find females to match it seems logical that their offspring would have a higher propensity for their parents terp profiles? Or no? I know logic doesn't always apply to this shit that's why I ask.

Third question: if I'm trying to make a big ole monster batch of F2's from a lost bodhi strain would it behoove me to mix a few healthy males and a few healthy females of different terp and growth profiles and make orgy style room? Or should I separate and segregate the different crosses and lines and see where they go? I'm space limited is why I ask so I have to make a choice this first seed run.

Thanks for any input in advance!
 
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Joedank

Joedank

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i make a template for each cross with a "idea" in mind of why i am doing the cross .
so i avoid using "whatever male i got " .
but as a general rule i find males add most of the "type" of nose(smell) the plant has the female adds what "volume " the smell will have ...
 
HGK420

HGK420

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Joedank said:
i make a template for each cross with a "idea" in mind of why i am doing the cross .
so i avoid using "whatever male i got " .
but as a general rule i find males add most of the "type" of nose(smell) the plant has the female adds what "volume " the smell will have ...
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So using that general idea, a great structured uber bland dad has a slight higher chance at being blander offspring (i.e. GDP seeds, super strong healthy bland kids all around)

I've been talking to a buddy who's pretty immersed in the "hill life" out there in Cali and he reinforced my ideas that I was afraid of. You really Can never know what a dad is gonna pass on until you grow the kids. A gasoline father can birth cotton candy kids for whatever reason... So I'm going to separate and organize them all... Sadly... So much extra work trying to do it right..
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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There's no way to tell. Something could be given stronger by females while some traits may be stronger if donated by the dad.
Then you take in regular old dominant and recessive traits..
then you have to think about some traits affecting others,
while other traits require multiple genes to show ..which activate more than one response.....
flavor and smell is incredibly more mind boggling, and terpene synthesis has been called more complicated than any other aspect of "the sciences", having a heavy pharmaceutical back ground, i can indeed say its near impossible to wrap your mind around. in "science" its easier to explain what happened than predict what will....

What I described was more for growth characteristics and such.
flavor- terpene production along with flavorfull esters etc again are incredibly complex. think back to all the innovative crosses, the skunk smell and flavor wasnt really present in either of the parents


im not really a breeder so thats all ill say about that, ive done my share and on ocassion the smells come out just like you'd expect.


when selecting males i always go for flavor

good luck
 
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Joedank

Joedank

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HGK420 said:
So using that general idea, a great structured uber bland dad has a slight higher chance at being blander offspring (i.e. GDP seeds, super strong healthy bland kids all around)

I've been talking to a buddy who's pretty immersed in the "hill life" out there in Cali and he reinforced my ideas that I was afraid of. You really Can never know what a dad is gonna pass on until you grow the kids. A gasoline father can birth cotton candy kids for whatever reason... So I'm going to separate and organize them all... Sadly... So much extra work trying to do it right..
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it is impossable to tell for sure with any real accuracy . BUT based on studies from R.C. Clarke on outbreeding vs inbreeding is where i base my opinions . i could fill this thread with links if y'all wanna study a little...
i have observed the same as most breeders spout about male female donations and dominate /ressive progeny .... fruit smells seem to dominate gas smells in my work BUT the enviroment and feedings can change all that ... more "N" can bring out diffrent terps than lack of it .. based on basil studies .
 
greenghost420

greenghost420

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you have to use as many stable moms and dads as you can to get the most genetic combos into the f2s. id use any that didnt herm and open pollinate. that fat one could make a fat and potent f2.
 
Yekke

Yekke

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HGK420 said:
i am digging through 38 cherry mountain beans.

21 male 17 female

Out of the 21 make I've whittled it down to 7. 6 that show alright structure but are terptastic and 1 that is built like Sylvester Stallone but smells about like my aloe plant...

So I understand that I'm about to ask some questions that are pretty bug generalizations and I know I'm asking for generalizations for answers but that's cool I get the inherent randomness of breeding I'm just curious.

Ok so my first question is: how important is the stem rub/terp profile of the male and how much does it pass down? (Obviously depends on if those are dominant traits and Yada Yada Yada but does that ever happen? A male flavor a cross?

Second question: let's say I find some females that match up to my males.. I have 3 males that are skunk tastic and 3 males that are menthol lime Chinese pain cream... If I find females to match it seems logical that their offspring would have a higher propensity for their parents terp profiles? Or no? I know logic doesn't always apply to this shit that's why I ask.

Third question: if I'm trying to make a big ole monster batch of F2's from a lost bodhi strain would it behoove me to mix a few healthy males and a few healthy females of different terp and growth profiles and make orgy style room? Or should I separate and segregate the different crosses and lines and see where they go? I'm space limited is why I ask so I have to make a choice this first seed run.

Thanks for any input in advance!
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1. Terpene profile is the most important test for males by my book.
2. Mixing different terpene profiles will give you more variability, which I like for further selections but if you try to limit your phenos you might want to use the same terpene profile.
3. Depends on your aims. Mixing different phenos will preserve more of the genetic pool and will help create a healthier F2. Using only one dad and one mom will limit your genetic pool greatly giving a more uniform F2 with less phenos - for that choose a mom and a dad as different as possible. In my current project I went with the mixed pheno approach up to F4 and will use the latter approach for the F5.

Another important point about choosing males is not choosing hemp dominant males that grow fast and strong. More smell less fiber.

-Yekke
 
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