Do I really need to worry about flir?

in what way is that ignorance.. i know the law and i know the truth about scare tactics and propaganda if you choose to worry about something there is no need to worry about but its your choice... if you speak to the right people they will tell you the same as me simple
 

butterbudface

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They do scans in my area, I know the approximate time of the day they do the scans and the frequency. Here they don't need a warrant to do scans, they actually use the scan data to obtain the warrant to come search your house.

To tell someone that they must not worry about pumping a load of hot air into their house because if you worry its your choice to worry isn't cool.

Tomorrow this guy gets raided and sent to jail, all cause some guy on a forum told him to trust him?
 
butterbudface.. they do scans in your area right... they do scans everywhere.. and yes you are right they do not need a warrant to do the scans...

however what you are wrong about is that they use the scan data to gain a warrant to search a house...

its complete bullshit trust me like i said i know the law and i know full well no judge or magistrate would be allowed to provide a search warrant to force entry and risk injuries or maybe even death to people and damage property just based on hot air

if you believe that then you are insane....
 

daemon kronic

Active Member
If ur that worried home depot sells heat shields follow instructions.... Other wise no in the Americas they have to have something solid to go on or they get sued... No judge will risk their cushy job on a hunch
 

butterbudface

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I just keep all the temps low.

A heat-shield? Care to elaborate?

A heat-shield in my eyes is the image shown below and it will not help at all. (heat spreaderheat shield.JPG )
 

daemon kronic

Active Member
Heat shields are made for wood stoves and reflect up to 3500*f thus containing the heat foot print allowing u to vent to a suitable location... Heating duct..sewer...natural gas vent... chimney.... Or wherever u can in a safe manner
 

Heavy Consumer

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butterbudface.. they do scans in your area right... they do scans everywhere.. and yes you are right they do not need a warrant to do the scans...

however what you are wrong about is that they use the scan data to gain a warrant to search a house...

its complete bullshit trust me like i said i know the law and i know full well no judge or magistrate would be allowed to provide a search warrant to force entry and risk injuries or maybe even death to people and damage property just based on hot air

if you believe that then you are insane....
Hi Xavier, you may well be an expert in the law wherever it is that you reside, or indeed the laws everywhere. However, you would surely not advise a grower that it is wise to put themselves on the police's radar. Once they have FLIR evidence, which in the UK, is gathered without warrants, you will surely be on their radar. And, once on their radar, regardless of whether that alone is enough for them to kick in a door (which I have to say, I believe it is in the UK, although I will agree to put that to one side), they are able to target you in actively seeking further evidence, which again, they do not need a warrant to do. It is their job to build cases against law-breakers. Disregarding one of the methods they use to gather evidence and especially something they use to identify targets, would seem an absurd concession to make if growing the herb in my opinion. You have a relaxed attitude that may serve you well, but as butterbudface pointed out, it probably is not the most considerate advice to offer others. And it does, in my inexperienced opinion, appear to lack in common sense. No offense intended. Stay safe and grow well.
 

az2000

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like i said i know the law and i know full well no judge or magistrate would be allowed to provide a search warrant to force entry and risk injuries or maybe even death to people and damage property just based on hot air
Not sure what country you guys are discussing. In the US, FLIR scans can lead to the police seeking information from the electric company. (We have no expectation of privacy from our electric provider unless they offer a written privacy policy. They're not held to a statutory level of privacy as telcos are, or were prior to 2002. It's just a private relationship in which either party is free to divulge information about that relationship.). If the police find that you use 5 times the electricity as your neighbors, and half the number of people living at your home, that can lead to greater surveillance. Add onto that the new "smart meters" which record spikes in usage (like your three 1k HIDs coming on for the same 12 hours every day).

You've argued against a search warrant of your property. But, there are other warrants. Such as your financial transactions, or delivery records. I'm not sure that information is private either. There are reports that it's available on Lexus-Nexus to government agencies. Depending on what that turns up, it could lead to a warrant of your property.

Finally, most cops I've known are of the "whatever it takes" variety. They come from military backgrounds thanks to the Omnibus Crime Bill of 1993 which was sold as putting "100 thousand new cops on the street" but had strings attached, that local communities higher vets from the '91 Gulf War. That changed the face of local police departments from "peace keepers" to "law enforcement." That's when they began carrying M16s in their trunks, dressed in tactical outfits rather than a dress-shirts and slacks. Bulked up on steroids. It became much more of a brotherhood ("us vs. them"), than it was when they came from different walks of life and could identify with the community more.

Unfortunately, that "whatever it takes" mentality leads to squeezing their contacts on the street to tell them what they want. If they "know" you're up to something, they'll get someone to say they saw the grow, or bought weed from you, or whatever, just to beat a jaywalking rap. The investigator won't be too concerned about it because he "knows." He's just doing whatever it takes. The ends will justify the means. On the rare occurrence that 1) you're growing butternut squash, and 2) you're going to be one of those libertarian types who won't just show the officer the squash grow like a good, team-playing member of the community, the officer can just say the confidential informant lied. (And, cough, you kinda deserved it by being one of those libertarian types who makes the officer's job harder, cough.).

I'm not saying I agree with how that works. Just that that's how it works. Anyone who stands on how it should work to believe they're safe is underestimating the risk they face.
 

whitebb2727

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Look at house that have gas heat and water heaters. I do and did not think about how many there are, until I had to climb on the roof and fix some leaks.
Run you a new dryer outlet or a 4 inch metal metal stove pipe. It will look like the dryer or heaters being vented.

I hooked to a dryer vent. They make one way valves for the duct. Put one on the dryer and tent side and vent.
As long as it is smell free no one will give it a second thought.
 
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