Do Not Vote For Legalization Or You Are Stupid

socalsinner

socalsinner

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I am a part of a Cooperative in California and I an tell you that if we legalize marijuana it will bring higher standards to the market. You will know what you are smoking , prices will drop and selection will increase. I know for a fact that most dispensaries do not test their bud for chemicals or pesticides. Some of the strongest pesticides they use on pot are banned in California but... we can still buy them online and use them here in Cali. Long beach is trying to force growers to test each crop and track the crop too. If an illegal pesticide comes up in testing the crop or plant would have to be destroyed...... Good luck getting that type of quality control now. Right now law enforcement is harrassing growers large and small if its legal we will have an extra layer of protection . Pull your head out of th sand and take a closer look at reality!
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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shepj said:
Lower the drinking or smoking age, kids will have easier access to it. Make marijuana legal kids will have easier access to it.

If regulation and legalization is a serious idea, it actually needs to be regulated, and those regulations need to be enforced.

Have you guys seen the Supreme Court's ruling stating "No Limit on Corporate Spending on Elections". Good luck getting medical (or decriminilized/legalized) marijuana when pharmaceutical companies can buy representatives to say no.
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Who ever has problems getting weed? :lol: The only time a person can't get it is if the area is dry. It's everywhere now...

But if you REALLY care about ur kidz...u'll realize that when the kids do pick some up...because it is illegal...the person selling it to them might very well also have cocaine, acid, heroin...etc.

If it is legalized...ur kid will get it probably still, but from sources that do NOT also sell hard drugs.

It would be much safer for kids if it was legal.... by far.
 
shepj

shepj

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Dan Kone said:
Yes. I'm sure of it. This is not my opinion. It is a fact.

I'm just telling you the reality of the situation. No one is apposing legalization as much as the prison industry. They are spending the most money and creating the most fuss about it.

Call Tom Ammiano's office or Oaksterdam university and they'll tell you the exact same thing.
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Can you show me where you found this?

I was looking through a statistic (granted off topic) that stated if Ibogaine was used to treat opiate/opioid addiction/withdrawl.. the pharmaceutical industry could lose up to 40% of their annual income.

Think about it...

Long term Opiate/Opioid use = Addiction. So do people really need them for their pain? Or are people addicted, and because of the addiction they "feel" pain.


Dan Kone said:
Most people do have access to marijuana now.
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Yes, but with the stigma and legal situation (along with drug screening), people with legitimate medical problems can not afford to use it.

Dan Kone said:
Yes, marijauna doesn't have the same side effects as perscription drugs for treating these same symptoms. But it does have another side effect, it gets you high. It's not for everyone. Most people can't handle smoking a joint before work, but can take a pill that doesn't get you high.
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So I take it you have never been prescribed:

Opiates
Opioids
Benzodiazepines
Sympathomimetics
Barbiturates
Eugeroics

All of those make you high, and there are probably hundreds of drugs in those categories as well.

Who is to say eventually we won't isolate cannabinoids to be used medicinally? So instead of getting high, it simply carries out a specific mechanism.

For shits and giggles.. I am sure most people would take a small buzz over the side effects that most substances carry. Hell, you end up taking a prescription medication for a problem, and another one to combat the side effects of the first one (and so on and so forth); whereas marijuana does not carry these.

Also, marijuana can potentially offer cures... why would a pharmaceutical industry want cures? There would be no repeating customers, no more money.

Dan Kone said:
Legalization will certainly have an impact on the pham industry, but not all people are going to choose marijuana over their old pharm's.
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Come back and tell me this in a few years.

CrackerJax said:
If it is legalized...ur kid will get it probably still, but from sources that do NOT also sell hard drugs.

It would be much safer for kids if it was legal.... by far.
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I like the way you put that. Very good point. +rep
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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shepj said:
Can you show me where you found this?
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A friend of mine works on the Tax and Regulate Bill doing opposition research.

shepj said:
I was looking through a statistic (granted off topic) that stated if Ibogaine was used to treat opiate/opioid addiction/withdrawl.. the pharmaceutical industry could lose up to 40% of their annual income.

Think about it...
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I'm not disagreeing with you that the pharmaceutical industry has a lot to lose here. I'm just saying they aren't currently spending a lot of money to fight it.

If they were fighting it hard, we'd know. They'd win. Legalization wouldn't be this popular if the pharm industry was apposing it. We'd be seeing massive misinformation campaigns. Maybe we will see that as the election gets closer. But right now we aren't.
 
greenboiii420

greenboiii420

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shepj said:
If the economy collapses, you have no money to smoke weed with, regardless of if you get arrested or not. Also, if the economy collapses, the last thing on your mind should be smoking weed.. stabilizing your financial situation to provide for yourself/your family should come before getting high.
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Why do you need money to smoke weed with? If the economy collapses chances are it isn't getting fixed asap so you should become self dependent (grow your own food). In which case I can do while I am stoned.
 
Brycec

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Resinator420 said:
If they were to legilize marijuana in the US ( that is were im talking about) The government would be creating a new REGULATED market. This means that you would be able to go to the gas station, or coffea shop or whatever and buy pot like beer. WHO CAN COMPETE WITH PERFECTLY ROLLD UP DOOBYS OF THE BEST SHIT???? CAN YOU???...... didnt thiknk so.....anyways back on track.

Right now about 80% of the cash earned by businesses in the US from retail sales comes from money that came from marijuana in one way or another. legilize it and about 90% of that money would dissapear meaning stores would close down, go out of business, people would go into debt, CHAOS.

Marijuana creates one of the biggest unregulated markets in the country with some 55MILLION people involved including people liek me and you. In a sense marijuana feuls america everyday. what do marijuana dealers do with the money they make???? THEY BUY SHIT, RANDOM SHIT CARS, BOATS, HOUSES, STOCKS, INVESTMENT, AND EVERYDAY THINGS FOOD, CLOTHS, GAS, HEALTH CARE PRODUCTS!! take this money, or market away from america and I think 60% of businesses would SIVEARLY suffer or all together shutdown. Alot of people would go crazy.

Decriminalization is a drastically different approach. If it were ever to happen, then think about it "all the users of your site could continue what they do everyday" the US continues to flourish like it does today except on average 185,000 people every year would be spared from jail, and we would save enough money from not having to house, feed, and jail these "criminals" (pot smokers, sellers) to bring our country out of this recession. Not to mention the millions we would save every year going after "weed criminals"

There would be millions and billions of dollars to spair for our coutry to use for valuable resources such as healthcare, military, and police for the REAL DRUGS cocaine, heroin, ect.

SO VOTE FOR DECRIMINALIZATION
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You musta been smoking some good shit to come up with that trainwreck.
 
Hazer blazer

Hazer blazer

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Brody.Will.Grow.Thee said:
we should not legalize it, then have everyone who smokes be open and casual about it. they cant arrest all of us!!
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You know that muva fucker :eyesmoke:
This is are market, are turf, are shit.
Legalize it and fuck shops goin down shit creak lol its more the fact that dealers loose money init. we grow it so dont matter too us if its legal or not :bigjoint: we dont need a caffe we just pop open the curin jars :lol:.

keep it true, this isnt a drug like h or sniff. Its a life style, its pain relief for people with turminal illness such as ms. If they cant see and respect the true petential of this plant then fuck them :).

Any1 disagree??????????
 
shepj

shepj

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Dear lord.. politicians die to hear pro-marijuana advocated speak with such professional grammar.
 
S

S P S

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i agree, i dont want it legalized. id rather go to my boy and get some fire or grow my own than go to the gas station and buy a pack of weed cigarettes that are gonna be taxed out the ass
 
wallycork

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S P S said:
i agree, i dont want it legalized. id rather go to my boy and get some fire or grow my own than go to the gas station and buy a pack of weed cigarettes that are gonna be taxed out the ass
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Are you serious. I suppose its what part of the world your in.
Im from Ireland and the only ready accessible weed is grit weed http://www.gritweed.co.uk/ . So for health sake i wish weed was legalised over here, i cant imagine it happeing though
 
ford442

ford442

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i think your dealer would be happier selling openly online and all around town without any fear.. he might only make half as much but, like you said - not everyone wants the chopped up pre-rolls from the store - there will still be tons of demand for local home grown product..
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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If weed is legalized....there won't be dealers. Business types will take over the marketing.

Farmers will take over production.

Weed will be cheap ... Like it's supposed to be.
 
Ole Budheavy

Ole Budheavy

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S P S said:
i agree, i dont want it legalized. id rather go to my boy and get some fire or grow my own than go to the gas station and buy a pack of weed cigarettes that are gonna be taxed out the ass
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What???:roll::roll::roll:

If its legal, you'd be able to grow it LEGALLY. Hello, legal is better than being fucked and put in jail.

Just because the weed might suck if its handled by idiots and pre-rolled doesn't mean there won't be people still growing their own shit.

It doesn't mean that you have to smoke that prerolled shit either.

IT'S A MATTER OF PRIDE PEOPLE. Grow your own.
 
K

Kamen

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Resinator420 said:
If they were to legilize marijuana in the US ( that is were im talking about) The government would be creating a new REGULATED market. This means that you would be able to go to the gas station, or coffea shop or whatever and buy pot like beer. WHO CAN COMPETE WITH PERFECTLY ROLLD UP DOOBYS OF THE BEST SHIT???? CAN YOU???...... didnt thiknk so.....anyways back on track.

Right now about 80% of the cash earned by businesses in the US from retail sales comes from money that came from marijuana in one way or another. legilize it and about 90% of that money would dissapear meaning stores would close down, go out of business, people would go into debt, CHAOS.

Marijuana creates one of the biggest unregulated markets in the country with some 55MILLION people involved including people liek me and you. In a sense marijuana feuls america everyday. what do marijuana dealers do with the money they make???? THEY BUY SHIT, RANDOM SHIT CARS, BOATS, HOUSES, STOCKS, INVESTMENT, AND EVERYDAY THINGS FOOD, CLOTHS, GAS, HEALTH CARE PRODUCTS!! take this money, or market away from america and I think 60% of businesses would SIVEARLY suffer or all together shutdown. Alot of people would go crazy.

Decriminalization is a drastically different approach. If it were ever to happen, then think about it "all the users of your site could continue what they do everyday" the US continues to flourish like it does today except on average 185,000 people every year would be spared from jail, and we would save enough money from not having to house, feed, and jail these "criminals" (pot smokers, sellers) to bring our country out of this recession. Not to mention the millions we would save every year going after "weed criminals"

There would be millions and billions of dollars to spair for our coutry to use for valuable resources such as healthcare, military, and police for the REAL DRUGS cocaine, heroin, ect.

SO VOTE FOR DECRIMINALIZATION
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Dude that is bullshite! How come that shite doesn't happen in Amsterdam or rest of Europe! Yeah you just said bunch of bullshite to scare people. You need to chill out!
 
Ole Budheavy

Ole Budheavy

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CrackerJax said:
Legal can be framed in many ways and by many degrees. We'll see ... maybe.

But yes indeed, grow ur own. Don't feed the greed.
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Yeah, just like the gray area the Netherlands hovers over. Many people aren't aware its illegal to cultivate cannabis indoors in the Netherlands. :leaf:
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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That's true enough. It is tolerated but the police always have discretion. They pull back on them now and again.

I visited a friend up in Arnhem and she has a nice cottage house on an acre or so of land. Everything is regulated in the Nederlands....everything. I looked over her garden shed and recommended she expand it in a certain direction....she just laughed. That would take 5 years of paperwork and community approval....practically impossible, and definitely not worth the bother.

Still, I have looked at property over there.... it's still under consideration.
 
Ole Budheavy

Ole Budheavy

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CrackerJax said:
That's true enough. It is tolerated but the police always have discretion. They pull back on them now and again.

I visited a friend up in Arnhem and she has a nice cottage house on an acre or so of land. Everything is regulated in the Nederlands....everything. I looked over her garden shed and recommended she expand it in a certain direction....she just laughed. That would take 5 years of paperwork and community approval....practically impossible, and definitely not worth the bother.

Still, I have looked at property over there.... it's still under consideration.
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So she has a shed that she grows in? How large is the area?
 
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