genuity
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Yup,and over time,he will have some badass soil,that the op will hopefully keep going,cause that's when it really gets good..
Ammonium nitrate, is that like pissed on compost ?
Do organic fertz kill microbes in soil??
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Ammonium nitrate, is that like pissed on compost ?
Dking93420
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Okay, I'm hearing everybody out, end of the day I know what's making sense or not. Let's just all agree though that this is newbie central and we're all here to learn not debate.
chemphlegm
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I add organicare and water to promix buckets and nothing else
whitebb2727
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I love garden tone. Of course its not omri but I use it with the understanding it may not be completely organic even though it says it is.
Its on Reddit and some other sites where people had fox farms tested and found ammonium nitrate. Synthetic nitrogen. I guess they either spray the soil or mix it in.
whitebb2727
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Debating is learning.
Actually reading is learning as most newbs want to be spoon feed the info.
There are going to be people with differing ideas.
Jimmy Verde
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OrganicGorilla
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He was just trying to get you to listen
ANC
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Even feeding totally natural food to microbes, you boost the population for as long as the food is around, once it runs out, it may lead to an uncontrolled collapse in the population. This is why I recommend biochar, microbes can set up home inside, safe from the world outside, and make a quick resurgence once conditions improve.
whitebb2727
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My attitude is fine. I spend a lot of time helping in the grow sections.
New people come and go all the time and rarely search for the answer to their question.
I've been civil. No name calling.
Yea I guess I could've left the I know my shit out. On the other hand you are trying to argue that a product with, who knows what, in it is organic.
You haven't really grasped the idea how organics work. Take no offense. Just read up a little.
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MadMel
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I must be missing something.
Are you trying to amend the soil or increase the microorganisms population?
If trying to boost the microorganisms population add some molasses to feed them.
If trying to amend the soil, adding things like blood meal, bone meal, dolomitic lime, kelp meal, fish meal, etc is organic.
Today the word "organic" can be misleading. If it has ammonium nitrate, it's not orgaic. Take miracle grow "organic" for example. MOST of the ingredients are orgaic, but not all. You can be sure that if it says that it continuously feeds for 3 months, most likely not a true "organic", because of ammonium nitrate in it. A synthetic nitrogen compound.
If I understand correctly, a super soil will feed well beyond the 3 month period because of the microorganism culture continually breaking down the nutrient in the soil, in a more easily used form.
If you can use it in a hydroponic system, again it is not organic. Organic nutrient would clog the system of a hydroponic grow.
Worm castings , bat guano etc. are obviously organic. You can tell from the name where they came from. All natural sources.
If I said something that is incorrect, I am sure that someone such as WhiteWidowbb will correct me. I will tell you straight up that he knows far more than I.
There are certain standards for, let's say eggs, to be classified as "organic". Nothing but organic foods made from organic sources, no antibiotics, and such can be used on the chickens. There's pretty strict rules for you to say that your eggs are organic.
As far as I am aware, there's no such rules for soil. No rules, no penalties for misleading claims of "organic soil". Everyone thinks that all soil is "organic", but not the things that they might add are all "organic".
I too have seen "super soil" recipes using FFOF as the base for organic soils. So I can see where that might be confusing. They are right about ammonium nitrate not being organic though.
Are you trying to amend the soil or increase the microorganisms population?
If trying to boost the microorganisms population add some molasses to feed them.
If trying to amend the soil, adding things like blood meal, bone meal, dolomitic lime, kelp meal, fish meal, etc is organic.
Today the word "organic" can be misleading. If it has ammonium nitrate, it's not orgaic. Take miracle grow "organic" for example. MOST of the ingredients are orgaic, but not all. You can be sure that if it says that it continuously feeds for 3 months, most likely not a true "organic", because of ammonium nitrate in it. A synthetic nitrogen compound.
If I understand correctly, a super soil will feed well beyond the 3 month period because of the microorganism culture continually breaking down the nutrient in the soil, in a more easily used form.
If you can use it in a hydroponic system, again it is not organic. Organic nutrient would clog the system of a hydroponic grow.
Worm castings , bat guano etc. are obviously organic. You can tell from the name where they came from. All natural sources.
If I said something that is incorrect, I am sure that someone such as WhiteWidowbb will correct me. I will tell you straight up that he knows far more than I.
There are certain standards for, let's say eggs, to be classified as "organic". Nothing but organic foods made from organic sources, no antibiotics, and such can be used on the chickens. There's pretty strict rules for you to say that your eggs are organic.
As far as I am aware, there's no such rules for soil. No rules, no penalties for misleading claims of "organic soil". Everyone thinks that all soil is "organic", but not the things that they might add are all "organic".
I too have seen "super soil" recipes using FFOF as the base for organic soils. So I can see where that might be confusing. They are right about ammonium nitrate not being organic though.
whitebb2727
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Lol.
MadMel
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EXACTLY!!!!! The same is true with chickens. You have organic flocks UNTIL they get sick and you give them antibiotics. From then on, they can be called "all natural ", but not organic.
You would be amazed at how many "smart shoppers", are unaware of that little fact.
The same would be true with cannabis if you had to use a chemical pesticide. Like say for nematodes or root rot. It isn't on your leaves even and not ingested or absorbed by the plants, but it ain't organic anymore. Funny how we complicate the English language.
Jimmy Verde
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No shit the guy very smart n I like his advice but we're all being nice and he wants to play dad... lol not today joe
Jimmy Verde
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Ohhhhh ok ok
Jimmy Verde
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Ok appreciate the advice tho obviously