Do We Cease To Exist When Our Body Dies?

jjbt420 said:

and i also believe that whatever you think happens after you die is what really happens. because it is the reality that you are living day to day. im not saying that when i you die, if you believe, you will float up to heaven with the streets of gold. but if thats what you tell yourself on a day to day basis then that is the reality that you are living in. LIFE IS OVER WHEN YOU DIE. just like there has to be an end to every begining. you dont just go one living forever, get real. but if you have to tell yourself something to make you more comfortable to die, then so be it. i just believe that we all have THIS time, RIGHT NOW. so why dont we make the best of what is guarenteed??? instead of living your ONE TRUE life for someone else in HOPES of an afterlife....

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What, exactly, is guaranteed?

Padawanbater2 said:

lol this one was my favorite! The dude has narrowed down the window of time we all get to be ghosts!!!!


The "bright light at the end of the tunnel" is unbelievably common. I don't doubt that happened to you, I highly doubt it was anything from the ''after life''.

You can't just say "something exists, that I'm certain of" just by experiencing that car accident. That's not proof or evidence of anything, not in scientific terms. It's anecdotal evidence.


Nothing happens guys, and why's it gotta be so depressing in some of your eyes?

Enjoy the ride.

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my friend you would be surprised how hard it is to explain to a lot of people on this forum the idea that just because you cant DISPROVE something doesnt make it fact. getting them to understand the difference between personal experience and scientific fact is all but impossible.

and to the mayfly argument...self awareness and consciousness, we have it, mayflys dont. oh and dont forget, time is relative. i have such a good time on such a constant basis, the last decade has flown by me faster than my entire life before that i think, and there is no slowdown point in sight.

sorry i should have just multi-quoted but.....

jjbt420 said:

there is a reason for "near death experiences." when you die DMT is released into your brain, it is a seriously powerful hallucinogen. and being as they pronounced you dead, the DMT is what was making you feel this way. out of body/the GREAT WHITE LIGHT

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EXACTLY. think about an antelope in africa. when it gets attacked by a lion, its adrenaline starts flowing, just like in a human, so it can move and think faster and increase its chance of a successful flight (as in fight or flight). if it is unsucessful, it always looks the same. the antelope makes a wierd sound, kneels down, and practically just gives up. its a release of chemicals into the animals brain that basically disassociates itself from reality like a drug. it stops feeling pain and it stops struggling.

I see dead people all the time. Well not the walking dead, but spirits of the dead. So I would say yes, we still exist in a spiritual matter.

KlosetKing said:

sorry i should have just multi-quoted but.....

EXACTLY. think about an antelope in africa. when it gets attacked by a lion, its adrenaline starts flowing, just like in a human, so it can move and think faster and increase its chance of a successful flight (as in fight or flight). if it is unsucessful, it always looks the same. the antelope makes a wierd sound, kneels down, and practically just gives up. its a release of chemicals into the animals brain that basically disassociates itself from reality like a drug. it stops feeling pain and it stops struggling.

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I agree with that from the objective/observable stand point, but from what is understood about the nature/genesis of reality we can't be certain that what that antelope identifies with as themselves doesn't some how cross into a higher dimensional field. As we know there are higher dimension all around some so small and so large that they can never be observed. Yet we can describe them and they way the manifest themselves in a three dimensional terrain.

I believe in the possibility of anything, and ultimately it ties back to very closely observing the experience you are entitled to rather than predictions and proselytizing about things to come or other perspectives, even when our perfected tactics of observation do not allow such feats. Life is short so don't get hung up on the details.

Peace

KlosetKing said:

..... to the mayfly argument...self awareness and consciousness, we have it, mayflys don't.

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having never been a mayfly, i will never be certain that this is the case. we would like to believe that we alone on this earth search for the truths of the universe, but might not all creatures be engaged in that same search in their own ways?

i guess in my humble opinion, if the discussion moves towards the sentience of antelope and mayflies, i will have to graciously remove myself from the thread. iam not saying your wrong, and iam not saying that we know for a FACT, but i do believe that all signs point to them not having it. they run on pure instinct, we've documented it, and can be reproduced without question.

so yes, as a person who believes that humans are the only sentient, self aware species on the planet, i cannot contnue the discussion without pure conjecture and anecdotal evidence, which i myself am very against. so against it in fact, that my mere presence on this thread only occurred due to someone claiming ghosts as science fact that has been proven, apparently over and over

talk on! but i do not know if i have anything else to contribute without offering the very things that i speak against.

doc111 said:

What, exactly, is guaranteed?

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Today. tomorrow is never promised

dead = dead simple.....

hey remember when they used to burn people cause they thought they were witches...ha funny thing.

Yeah, tell that to my great great great aunt

Cali chronic said:

hey remember when they used to burn people cause they thought they were witches...ha funny thing.

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jjbt420 said:

and i also believe that whatever you think happens after you die is what really happens. because it is the reality that you are living day to day. im not saying that when i you die, if you believe, you will float up to heaven with the streets of gold. but if thats what you tell yourself on a day to day basis then that is the reality that you are living in. LIFE IS OVER WHEN YOU DIE. just like there has to be an end to every begining. you dont just go one living forever, get real. but if you have to tell yourself something to make you more comfortable to die, then so be it. i just believe that we all have THIS time, RIGHT NOW. so why dont we make the best of what is guarenteed??? instead of living your ONE TRUE life for someone else in HOPES of an afterlife....

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This is exactly what I think...Well in some type of way....I believe that we dream after dieing...we dream of what we feel...If youre happy you dream of a happy place (heaven) if youre scared or upset or sad you dream of a depresssing place (hell)....and im not liking all these people saying scientific, scientist are studiers they study everything and most times fail at it...O by the way im agnostic I only used heaven and hell as an example

thatguy830 said:

and im not liking all these people saying scientific, scientist are studiers they study everything and most times fail at it...

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lol.... DUH? thats kind of the purpose of science.

haha yeah but it doenst prove everything

thatguy830 said:

haha yeah but it doenst prove everything

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sure some things are inconclusive, but as said by many before me, the burden of proof is not on the scientific communities shoulders, it is on the shoulders of the person making the claim.

I suppose...good come back

lol funny cause as i and everyone around learned of our being here on earth we didn't start off knowing in fact i think it's our greatest gift and curse.
if there's no fear why would anyone care if nobody cares then nothing gets done yada yada etc etc all i'm saying is i understand and it's fucked up
IT's always and will be about the money.

jjbt420 said:

there is a reason for "near death experiences." when you die DMT is released into your brain, it is a seriously powerful hallucinogen. and being as they pronounced you dead, the DMT is what was making you feel this way. out of body/the GREAT WHITE LIGHT

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Wow.. yeah I've heard about that. But I like my version better..

and I am aware that its a proven scientific fact. But.. that just helps further my theory in a way. Because apparently I clearly and vividly *to this day even..* can remember every single detail about seeing my outer body laying face up on a stretcher.. so there must be some level of consciousness. Right? You have to be an opened minded person about this subject..

but thanks for explaining.

peace.

KlosetKing said:

indeed, that could catch some flack but i will try to not give you too much =D

a scientific explanation? random synaptic firings and flashs of memories as the brain slowly fades away. thats all i can think, and would also explain why so many peoples near death experiences have commonalities (3rd person perspective, life-before-my-eyes stories, etc).

now this is not to dumb down your miracle at all. it sounds to me like you were quite lucky and that, just maybe, dare i say divine intervention? lol either way, still a miracle. and, scientific 'theory' aside, i hope your right =D

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Thanks for understanding.. and being cool about it buddy. appreciate that..

and hey.. I hope I'm right too. hehe..

peace everybody.