Do you believe in God?

Do you believe there is a God?

  • YES, I believe there is a God/creator

    Votes: 92 46.2%

  • NO, I do not believe there is a God/creator

    Votes: 107 53.8%
  • Total voters
    199
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DrGreenFinger

DrGreenFinger

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Tryingtomastrkush said:
Thanks man
I thought it was some funny shit.
If nothing else this guy gave me a great laugh this evening.
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word! you still haven't addressed the fact that you begged (yes, BEGGED! it's in your post of my pm) me to leave you alone. does anyone believe he wants to be left alone, or that he will respond to this point...SPECIFICALLY.

still watchin', gordon? save ya rep points. if you squander them they will be invalid. word from the wise. ;-)
 
jfgordon1

jfgordon1

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DrGreenFinger said:
:lol: birds of a feather kiss-ass

but inthe post, you were begging to be left alone. :roll:

gordon, are you sure you want to co-sign this cat? go back and read first. trust me.
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ive been following this thread since the beginning... me and mastrkush are on the same page. sorry man :roll: ...
 
DrGreenFinger

DrGreenFinger

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Tryingtomastrkush said:
No dude.

You suggested we have a "quote war" and make a thread to bring up eachothers past posts and talk shit about them.......I thought that was pretty lame and entirely unfun
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the point was to show how often you engage in this behavior. do you have a non-e-life? you are on every thread antagonising (z?) people, but only AFTER you have help. get it yet?
 
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Tryingtomastrkush

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LOL dude just because you don't like what I say doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way.

Grow up.
Why can't you even come up with a clever insult?

You know for preaching about jesus you sure are going against pretty much everything the myth of jesus stands for.
But like most bible thumpers you probably haven't read the bible.
 
jfgordon1

jfgordon1

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DrGreenFinger said:
still watchin', gordon? save ya rep points. if you squander them they will be invalid. word from the wise. ;-)
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i do agree with that man :bigjoint:...
but im a non-believer... therefore i cant be on ur side lol.. i jst don't get religion man.. jst isnt logical. im in a religion class right now thats making me even think less of religion. if u dig deep into the roots of it... its just.. plain.. ridiculous
 
kushmasta88

kushmasta88

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I believe there is a God. The only reason we have such disbelief and confusions over the existence is because face it human brain power cannot comprehend God's wisdom which is far more complex than anything in existence. We have short term memory...tons of mental problems to prove our brains are not powerful enough to comprehend something too complex. Everything in the world goes together in some perfect way. Think of the water cycle. Compare how mammals take care of their young to how humans do the same. We have emotions, dreams, and all kinds of physical things that are amazing. Plants give us air which is natural for everything, water is natural for everything. I think God made everything work together perfectly like the best clock ever made. He also made good and evil paths for us to decide which to venture upon. Have you noticed if we do bad shit such as drink alcohol, cheat and have sex, gamble, and do all kinds of ill shit it is pleasurable. Where as if we do the right thing; tell the truth, obstain from sex and debauchery, never steal. We don't gain any pleasure or any profit. Basically said I think this is God's wisdom of a game and he gave us a choice. Do as I say and you will be rewarded with eternity in heaven with no sin or ills. Or live your life as you please; cheat like crazy, steal, have the time of your life and suffer in hell for all/some eternity. According to islam if you make it to heaven you can have as many wives as you want, you just touch a woman and she follows you. That is God's ultimate love and gift to those who believe in him and make the sacrifice of not having the most lavish life here on dirty earth. Hell there are never ending rivers of clean milk and heavenly wine, the kind that does not make you trashed and sick with hangovers but the kind that is most pleasurable wine. Only smart people could figure out well God is not gonna make heaven and everything so obvious. Which is why we have never seen him, we only know of his existence thru a select few people who have given us bibles and other religious books. It seems like God's wisdom to sort of make us to have to use our brains and our heart to really believe. He instilled plenty of doubt in human's minds. Sort of like a video game with hard difficulty, you have to use your brain to beat the game which the creator created for you to struggle on. What do you have to lose by being ignorant and not believing. I sure as hell would love to have unlimited, beautiful, non jealous non nagging women in heaven for all eternity. And to live in a palace that stretches for hundreds of miles.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Actually I have found the earth to be not perfect at all. nature is lazy and makes do with what it has. The idea that we will end up perfect is not in evidence. What is in evidence is we will become extinct, just like everything else. :peace: Cog in the wheel and not much more.

out. :blsmoke:
 
Big P

Big P

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CrackerJax said:
Actually I have found the earth to be not perfect at all. nature is lazy and makes do with what it has. The idea that we will end up perfect is not in evidence. What is in evidence is we will become extinct, just like everything else. :peace: Cog in the wheel and not much more.

out. :blsmoke:
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word,

smokem if you gotembongsmilie


out.
 
GregD88

GregD88

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kushmasta88 said:
I believe there is a God. The only reason we have such disbelief and confusions over the existence is because face it human brain power cannot comprehend God's wisdom which is far more complex than anything in existence. We have short term memory...tons of mental problems to prove our brains are not powerful enough to comprehend something too complex. Everything in the world goes together in some perfect way. Think of the water cycle. Compare how mammals take care of their young to how humans do the same. We have emotions, dreams, and all kinds of physical things that are amazing. Plants give us air which is natural for everything, water is natural for everything. I think God made everything work together perfectly like the best clock ever made. He also made good and evil paths for us to decide which to venture upon. Have you noticed if we do bad shit such as drink alcohol, cheat and have sex, gamble, and do all kinds of ill shit it is pleasurable. Where as if we do the right thing; tell the truth, obstain from sex and debauchery, never steal. We don't gain any pleasure or any profit. Basically said I think this is God's wisdom of a game and he gave us a choice. Do as I say and you will be rewarded with eternity in heaven with no sin or ills. Or live your life as you please; cheat like crazy, steal, have the time of your life and suffer in hell for all/some eternity. According to islam if you make it to heaven you can have as many wives as you want, you just touch a woman and she follows you. That is God's ultimate love and gift to those who believe in him and make the sacrifice of not having the most lavish life here on dirty earth. Hell there are never ending rivers of clean milk and heavenly wine, the kind that does not make you trashed and sick with hangovers but the kind that is most pleasurable wine. Only smart people could figure out well God is not gonna make heaven and everything so obvious. Which is why we have never seen him, we only know of his existence thru a select few people who have given us bibles and other religious books. It seems like God's wisdom to sort of make us to have to use our brains and our heart to really believe. He instilled plenty of doubt in human's minds. Sort of like a video game with hard difficulty, you have to use your brain to beat the game which the creator created for you to struggle on. What do you have to lose by being ignorant and not believing. I sure as hell would love to have unlimited, beautiful, non jealous non nagging women in heaven for all eternity. And to live in a palace that stretches for hundreds of miles.
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I think that was a pretty good post but what you're really saying is that everything's so complex and wonderful, so it must be magic right?

No offense but this is kinda why most people with high IQs are atheists. It's easier for them to understand complex theories while people with lower IQs tend to just say "the world's so complex, there must be someone who created it" and not even bother learning about the big bang/evolution
 
kushmasta88

kushmasta88

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Well even the smartest, highest IQ person STILL CANNOT understand God's wisdom. Why do you think God would let innocent babies suffer from cancer and die at such a young innocent age, especially when he is an all-loving God. NOBODY knows its just his wisdom. His game, his world, his ways. His wisdom is so great that even he says no one shall attempt to find out his wisdom. The only way to know is to hope to get to heaven and ask him yourself. Think of this....who determines how the wind blows, how weather regulates, how the birds know when to fly south. A mammal feeds off vegetation, drinks natural water, breathes in the air supplied by the atmosphere and plants. Then it shits which is food for other organisms that breathe air, the shit fertilizes the ground and thus provides nutritious soil for more plants to grow. Its a perfect cycle of nature...now that didn't just happen for no reason. There is no magic behind it, just God and his wisdom. People can come up with all the theories they want, but they are still just theories no 100% proof. Remember human beings are limited and if God has a wisdom much greater and complex for our brains to understand, not even the smartest person or computer will be able to comprehend. Also every accomplishment man has achieved from discovering fire to finding cures to some of the worlds deadliest diseases came as God allowed them to. If we should ever cure cancer or have flying cars, it will be because God allowed us to reach the intelligence to do so.

Also in islam the one and only book of guidance (the Quran) was written 1400 or so years ago I can't remember the correct amount of years. In it contains information about the atom being the smallest particle, how fertilization occurs and becomes an embryo inside the womb up until birth, it says that everything is made up of water, it says the earth is round, it says the planets move around the sun, and much more. Now 1400 years ago there were no microscopes, no computers to see inside the womb of a woman, nobody to say "hey I think everything is made up of water". This was way before scientists of the past few hundred years were able to prove these things through scientific study. God gave us this information before we could discover it, now if thats not enough to make someone believe then shit.
 
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Tryingtomastrkush

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kushmasta88 said:
Well even the smartest, highest IQ person STILL CANNOT understand God's wisdom. Why do you think God would let innocent babies suffer from cancer and die at such a young innocent age, especially when he is an all-loving God. NOBODY knows its just his wisdom. His game, his world, his ways. His wisdom is so great that even he says no one shall attempt to find out his wisdom. The only way to know is to hope to get to heaven and ask him yourself. Think of this....who determines how the wind blows, how weather regulates, how the birds know when to fly south. A mammal feeds off vegetation, drinks natural water, breathes in the air supplied by the atmosphere and plants. Then it shits which is food for other organisms that breathe air, the shit fertilizes the ground and thus provides nutritious soil for more plants to grow. Its a perfect cycle of nature...now that didn't just happen for no reason. There is no magic behind it, just God and his wisdom. People can come up with all the theories they want, but they are still just theories no 100% proof. Remember human beings are limited and if God has a wisdom much greater and complex for our brains to understand, not even the smartest person or computer will be able to comprehend. Also every accomplishment man has achieved from finding fire to finding cures to some of the worlds deadliest diseases came as God allowed them to. If we should ever cure cancer or have flying cars, it will be because God allowed us to reach the intelligence to do so.
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You have great conviction and I respect that.

But why is it that because we cannot understand it, it is because god is more complex than that.

What if we just can't understand it because its made up and its impossible to prove something like that that isn't real.

GregD is right.
Its easier for someone with a lower IQ(in no way do I mean you, you seem like a decently intelligent dude) to just say "its over my head im not even going to try I will just have someone that already knows tell me whats up with all of it"
i.e. your local pastor.

Whereas someone with a higher IQ doesn't want to take something for just "its too complicated" that doesn't work for me or most people. Something that is too complicated is only too complicated because we haven't studied it enough or its false and thats the only answer the church can come up with that will pass off as legitimate reason.

Look at my signature for example.
When asked what happened to the golden plates the book of mormon was translated from the answer they have is "god took them back"
Well that just doesn't work for me therefor the religion seems ridiculous.
A blind follower just accepts it.....That to me goes against human nature to figure things out. It just seems unnatural.
 
Big P

Big P

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kushmasta88 said:
Well even the smartest, highest IQ person STILL CANNOT understand God's wisdom. Why do you think God would let innocent babies suffer from cancer and die at such a young innocent age, especially when he is an all-loving God. NOBODY knows its just his wisdom. His game, his world, his ways. His wisdom is so great that even he says no one shall attempt to find out his wisdom. The only way to know is to hope to get to heaven and ask him yourself. Think of this....who determines how the wind blows, how weather regulates, how the birds know when to fly south. A mammal feeds off vegetation, drinks natural water, breathes in the air supplied by the atmosphere and plants. Then it shits which is food for other organisms that breathe air, the shit fertilizes the ground and thus provides nutritious soil for more plants to grow. Its a perfect cycle of nature...now that didn't just happen for no reason. There is no magic behind it, just God and his wisdom. People can come up with all the theories they want, but they are still just theories no 100% proof. Remember human beings are limited and if God has a wisdom much greater and complex for our brains to understand, not even the smartest person or computer will be able to comprehend. Also every accomplishment man has achieved from finding fire to finding cures to some of the worlds deadliest diseases came as God allowed them to. If we should ever cure cancer or have flying cars, it will be because God allowed us to reach the intelligence to do so.
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you speak of theory's, while explaining your own as a fact


there are thousands of religions one earth, only one can be right. I hope its yours.

but i feel sorry for all the poor bastards who are praying to nothing

i see many of you, just dont know which one of you is praying to nothing and which ones actually picked the right religion to believe in

or maybe your all wrong


 
kushmasta88

kushmasta88

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Well trying to study and figure everything out is impossible. There is still no way nobody can know everything or figure everything out, they can try but only get so far. I believe its awesome to study and learn the most you can because it only enriches your knowledge and makes you a smarter person, but what God doesn't want you to know you won't know. Just like I will never know whats in your brain or my next door neighbors brain. I want to make a correction, the Quran says the earth is an oval shape not spherical/round. Who the hell knew that the world was oval back then? If you could not see an atom being the smallest particle that you could not break, who could have known that back then. Also islam is the only religion in which the book was never changed, there is no way to change it. Other religions have had modifications to their scripts/books out the ass. Such as the Church of England and the King who changed religion so he could allow for divorce. I'm not sure but I think Islam disproves all of the other religions, thats my opinion at least. Just seems to be the most logical one to myself.
 
Sure Shot

Sure Shot

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Reminds me of when I was a child
and I first came to realize that there is no possible way any of today's religions are right.
I was in fifth grade and we were finally learning a little about history.
The class was called Social Studies.
I opened up the outdated textbook and thumbed through to my teacher's specified page.
Lo and behold, there was a timeline there.
Now this timeline stretched far, far back. Millions and Millions of years back.
The numbers were counting backward and they were labeled B.C.
I was a curious child.
So, I raised my hand and asked the teacher.
"What does this B.C. mean"
She gave a quick pause and stated.
"Uhm, Before Christ."
I looked down and scratched my head.
God made the Earth in under a week and man was made on the last day.

Well I was just a child, but a very bright one I may say.
And I new 2+2=4

Then I started wondering, how had everyone missed this?:dunce:

That was my day of Revelation.
World, is full of people too scared to face the cold reality,
that Santa Claus is not real.
 
Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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Simple, really.Let me break it down. I have two children.Sometimes, they piss me off.But I LOVE them.I would NEVER allow them to suffer if I could stop it.I would never punish them forever.SO....if we're supposed to be this God's children...either he is TOO WEAK to protect us or too EVIL to care.Which is it?Read my sig.:peace:
kushmasta88 said:
Well even the smartest, highest IQ person STILL CANNOT understand God's wisdom. Why do you think God would let innocent babies suffer from cancer and die at such a young innocent age, especially when he is an all-loving God. NOBODY knows its just his wisdom. His game, his world, his ways. His wisdom is so great that even he says no one shall attempt to find out his wisdom. The only way to know is to hope to get to heaven and ask him yourself.
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Tryingtomastrkush

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kushmasta88 said:
Well trying to study and figure everything out is impossible. There is still no way nobody can know everything or figure everything out, they can try but only get so far. I believe its awesome to study and learn the most you can because it only enriches your knowledge and makes you a smarter person, but what God doesn't want you to know you won't know. Just like I will never know whats in your brain or my next door neighbors brain. I want to make a correction, the Quran says the earth is an oval shape not spherical/round. Who the hell knew that the world was oval back then? If you could not see an atom being the smallest particle that you could not break, who could have known that back then. Also islam is the only religion in which the book was never changed, there is no way to change it. Other religions have had modifications to their scripts/books out the ass. Such as the Church of England and the King who changed religion so he could allow for divorce. I'm not sure but I think Islam disproves all of the other religions, thats my opinion at least. Just seems to be the most logical one to myself.
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Im not going to read all these long single paragraph posts man they hurt my eyes.

But going off the first sentence. How can you say we will never understand it?
We haven't been able to understand it yet because its all bullshit made up to control the masses of uphappy people

The story of Job comes to mind.

The devil and god have a wager saying this guy will not lose faith no matter what the devil takes away from him.
Well job gets everything taken away and begins to lose faith.....Right when "god" comes in and says "all you need to do is keep your faith and everything will be cool"
So he kept believing no matter what horrible things happened and everything was all good........


Well lets think for a minute what that tells poor people being preached to.
"Even if you're poor and you have nothing all you gotta do is keep faith and things will ALWAYS get better."
great way to keep the poor happy all the time huh?
The shitty part of all that is that things WILL NOT always work out with just blind faith.
It takes an ACTIVE, REAL approach to make your life better. Jesus can't do it and neither can god.
Religion was created to control people and it has lost its place in society
 
Big P

Big P

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ive been athiest for many years.


when my dad got in a car accident and he was in the hospitol at deaths door, i was in there with my mom trying to comfort her, I thought about praying for him, like a just in case type of thing, but I couldnt bring my self to do it. it would have been too fake, i almost wanted to be like ok if your up there man fuckin do somthing!

anyway, i never did pray, thats how sure I am,

my dad finally made it and has made a full recovery.



 
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