Doctors are saying NO way to higher dosages - what do we do about it?
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doingdishes
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we won't know until Aug 24 so all we can do is ask and speculate. none of us will have any real answers.
i want an increase so it will be an interesting conversation if my Dr tries to cut me back. we already had to "prove" consumption/need
i want an increase so it will be an interesting conversation if my Dr tries to cut me back. we already had to "prove" consumption/need
doingdishes
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if you make oil-you can filter it down so you get between 22-30 g per LB. that's around 1 month. that works out to around 15 a day just taking the 1 g of oil. if you smoke some you're at around 20 per day and that's not really out there for chronic pain.
doingdishes
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i have an email in as well but the original reply i got was they are waiting for the Aug 24 roll out before doing anything.
i will keep you posted for sure when i hear back
buckets
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Okay, yes I did here back from MCRCI and they are willing to match the old MMAR prescriptions they said if you can justify your reasons for having bigger prescriptions. The first step is a consent form for medical information. I'm attaching that document here for everyone to save you time. Good luck everybody!
Even our Supreme court knows what meds are and that the green "shit" is shit!
150 grams of oil works out to around 2 pounds, more or less. A gram a day works out to about 5 to 8 grams a day in herb...depending on the herb of course. 2 to 5 grams per oz....
To many variables in this deal...FAR TO MANY!
buckets
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This is a detailed response from MCRCI that I thought I would share if and when you guys decide to to get new permit applications under the new system.
Hi X,
Firstly, I did receive all your emails. I am sorry to hear about what happened to you due to stress, I can relate.
Yes, from what we understand from Health Canada is that "patients covered under the injunction will continue to be covered until it comes to an end". As far as we know from what was announced, MMAR patients will be able to make changes to their license (address changes/production site changes/grower changes) as of the 24th. Whether or not this will mean patients having to cancel/forfeit their MMAR license and submit the changes under the ACMPR, is unknown. For increases to licenses, it is most likely that the patient will have to cancel their MMAR and sign up under the ACMPR with their increase.
Our physicians are very reasonable with dosing. Once we obtain patient's medical records, process the file and determine that they qualify, we will call the patient to do a short intake. This intake goes over the patient's medical condition, symptoms, treatments tried, and their cannabis use. If the patient is thoroughly able to explain how much they are using (ie. smoking, vaporizing, if using edibles- how are they making them? do they make butter? what is the butter recipe? how long does the pound of butter last etc..), our physician will dose appropriately. On a separate note, juicing is not recognized by Health Canada as a form of administration, which means our physicians have to take this into account when dosing (they will not completely dismiss the fact that you juice but again, they have to consider Health Canada's stance on this matter).
We also have to keep in mind, that for the last 3 years under the MMPR program, the average amount patients were using/prescribed was around 3g. Now since the ACMPR announcement it is likely we will see a huge spike in these doses. Is this because patients are using for legitimate reasons or do they have something else in mind? Our physicians will be taking this into account.
Lastly, at MCRCI patients are able to come back throughout the year for follow up appointments. If you see the doctor and are not happy with your initial dose, he will see you again within a couple of months after your first appointment to consider an increase (if reasonable).
Hope this answers all your questions. Let me know if you have anything else to ask!
Also from the sounds of it you have been doing your research, but here are some interesting links if you haven't come across them already:
http://www.tousawlaw.ca/2016/08/11/opinion-health-canadas-acmpr-announcement/
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/cnw/release.html?rkey=20160811C5372&filter=5599
http://healthycanadians.gc.ca/publications/drugs-products-medicaments-produits/medical-security-producing-cannabis-securite-production-fins-medicales/index-eng.php
http://www.johnconroy.com/pdf/ACMPR-Aug-13-2016.pdf
Kindest Regards,
MCRCI
Medicinal Cannabis Resource Centre Inc.
450 Nanaimo St (South) | Vancouver, BC | V5L 4W3
(P) 604.566.9391
(F) 604.909.1890
(E)
Hi X,
Firstly, I did receive all your emails. I am sorry to hear about what happened to you due to stress, I can relate.
Yes, from what we understand from Health Canada is that "patients covered under the injunction will continue to be covered until it comes to an end". As far as we know from what was announced, MMAR patients will be able to make changes to their license (address changes/production site changes/grower changes) as of the 24th. Whether or not this will mean patients having to cancel/forfeit their MMAR license and submit the changes under the ACMPR, is unknown. For increases to licenses, it is most likely that the patient will have to cancel their MMAR and sign up under the ACMPR with their increase.
Our physicians are very reasonable with dosing. Once we obtain patient's medical records, process the file and determine that they qualify, we will call the patient to do a short intake. This intake goes over the patient's medical condition, symptoms, treatments tried, and their cannabis use. If the patient is thoroughly able to explain how much they are using (ie. smoking, vaporizing, if using edibles- how are they making them? do they make butter? what is the butter recipe? how long does the pound of butter last etc..), our physician will dose appropriately. On a separate note, juicing is not recognized by Health Canada as a form of administration, which means our physicians have to take this into account when dosing (they will not completely dismiss the fact that you juice but again, they have to consider Health Canada's stance on this matter).
We also have to keep in mind, that for the last 3 years under the MMPR program, the average amount patients were using/prescribed was around 3g. Now since the ACMPR announcement it is likely we will see a huge spike in these doses. Is this because patients are using for legitimate reasons or do they have something else in mind? Our physicians will be taking this into account.
Lastly, at MCRCI patients are able to come back throughout the year for follow up appointments. If you see the doctor and are not happy with your initial dose, he will see you again within a couple of months after your first appointment to consider an increase (if reasonable).
Hope this answers all your questions. Let me know if you have anything else to ask!
Also from the sounds of it you have been doing your research, but here are some interesting links if you haven't come across them already:
http://www.tousawlaw.ca/2016/08/11/opinion-health-canadas-acmpr-announcement/
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/cnw/release.html?rkey=20160811C5372&filter=5599
http://healthycanadians.gc.ca/publications/drugs-products-medicaments-produits/medical-security-producing-cannabis-securite-production-fins-medicales/index-eng.php
http://www.johnconroy.com/pdf/ACMPR-Aug-13-2016.pdf
Kindest Regards,
MCRCI
Medicinal Cannabis Resource Centre Inc.
450 Nanaimo St (South) | Vancouver, BC | V5L 4W3
(P) 604.566.9391
(F) 604.909.1890
(E)
buckets
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This is off topic but I sure wish this guy had run for president. I gotta share it with you guys.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/jesse-ventura-dea-just-toying-142823535.html
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/jesse-ventura-dea-just-toying-142823535.html
doingdishes
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they won't lower it according to them .
they said it may cause harm.
if you went to a different Dr, you will probably have to explain your usage to them though. should be tough if you use oil.
1 g a day of oil is 15 g a day. the other 5 is smoking throughout the day....there's 20 a day easliy
they said it may cause harm.
if you went to a different Dr, you will probably have to explain your usage to them though. should be tough if you use oil.
1 g a day of oil is 15 g a day. the other 5 is smoking throughout the day....there's 20 a day easliy
OLD MOTHER SATIVA
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the HC "we do not consider juicing valid" is past hilarious since they do not consider cannabis valid..
the statement is just so they can have an "excuse"[not reason] to pressure drs to give less g per day..but they seem to have
already done that..besides..few drs know about cannabis
as well..the g per day average everyone [except HC ] knows is not 1-3 g/day and more like 18g.day
the statement is just so they can have an "excuse"[not reason] to pressure drs to give less g per day..but they seem to have
already done that..besides..few drs know about cannabis
as well..the g per day average everyone [except HC ] knows is not 1-3 g/day and more like 18g.day
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doingdishes
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the Smith trial said we get it in ALL forms so juicing IS in that.
the illusion right now is the same as when Terry Parker Jr won his case-we have the right to use cannabis in any form but we can't make it in certain ways and there is no supplier so how exactly can we get the "other" forms?? such a smoke show around this.
you can't use solvents to make it so how can you make oil? how about shatter? i will still make them for my wife but it sucks that everything I'm doing should be allowed but due to idiots blowing themselves up just to make $$, we get penalized!
the illusion right now is the same as when Terry Parker Jr won his case-we have the right to use cannabis in any form but we can't make it in certain ways and there is no supplier so how exactly can we get the "other" forms?? such a smoke show around this.
you can't use solvents to make it so how can you make oil? how about shatter? i will still make them for my wife but it sucks that everything I'm doing should be allowed but due to idiots blowing themselves up just to make $$, we get penalized!
Lightgreen2k
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They charge $400.
I got my mmar from them!
I got my mmar from them!
This is a detailed response from MCRCI that I thought I would share if and when you guys decide to to get new permit applications under the new system.
Hi X,
Firstly, I did receive all your emails. I am sorry to hear about what happened to you due to stress, I can relate.
Yes, from what we understand from Health Canada is that "patients covered under the injunction will continue to be covered until it comes to an end". As far as we know from what was announced, MMAR patients will be able to make changes to their license (address changes/production site changes/grower changes) as of the 24th. Whether or not this will mean patients having to cancel/forfeit their MMAR license and submit the changes under the ACMPR, is unknown. For increases to licenses, it is most likely that the patient will have to cancel their MMAR and sign up under the ACMPR with their increase.
Our physicians are very reasonable with dosing. Once we obtain patient's medical records, process the file and determine that they qualify, we will call the patient to do a short intake. This intake goes over the patient's medical condition, symptoms, treatments tried, and their cannabis use. If the patient is thoroughly able to explain how much they are using (ie. smoking, vaporizing, if using edibles- how are they making them? do they make butter? what is the butter recipe? how long does the pound of butter last etc..), our physician will dose appropriately. On a separate note, juicing is not recognized by Health Canada as a form of administration, which means our physicians have to take this into account when dosing (they will not completely dismiss the fact that you juice but again, they have to consider Health Canada's stance on this matter).
We also have to keep in mind, that for the last 3 years under the MMPR program, the average amount patients were using/prescribed was around 3g. Now since the ACMPR announcement it is likely we will see a huge spike in these doses. Is this because patients are using for legitimate reasons or do they have something else in mind? Our physicians will be taking this into account.
Lastly, at MCRCI patients are able to come back throughout the year for follow up appointments. If you see the doctor and are not happy with your initial dose, he will see you again within a couple of months after your first appointment to consider an increase (if reasonable).
Hope this answers all your questions. Let me know if you have anything else to ask!
Also from the sounds of it you have been doing your research, but here are some interesting links if you haven't come across them already:
http://www.tousawlaw.ca/2016/08/11/opinion-health-canadas-acmpr-announcement/
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/cnw/release.html?rkey=20160811C5372&filter=5599
http://healthycanadians.gc.ca/publications/drugs-products-medicaments-produits/medical-security-producing-cannabis-securite-production-fins-medicales/index-eng.php
http://www.johnconroy.com/pdf/ACMPR-Aug-13-2016.pdf
Kindest Regards,
MCRCI
Medicinal Cannabis Resource Centre Inc.
450 Nanaimo St (South) | Vancouver, BC | V5L 4W3
(P) 604.566.9391
(F) 604.909.1890
(E)
TheRealDman
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I'm pretty sure HC said they had a bunch of new up-to-date MMJ data, that would be forwarded to all provincial medical associations? Hopefully this new data-dump will sway more Dr's away from the darkside of the Force!
WHATFG
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Some 4am ramblings....I don't understand the dosage limitation given no one has died from cannabis side effects or overdosed.....I used to take 1g+ of morphine a day...wcb advised my doc not to increase it too much more...I think it may have more to do with the theory that patients with big scripts are diverting...so if they limit your script size you don't have so much to share.