Does a reliable feminized line even exist?

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Veeplants

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I have been growing out fems for quite some time now, i appreciate the fact that “feminized seeds” produce female flowers, but the huge downside to this is the amount of hermaphrodites i get from the genetics i am using, ive been growing humboldt seed co’s fem line for roughly 2-3 different cycles, i had 2/4 herm first cycle and wrote it off, second cycle, also had a herm pineapple upside down cake, which ended up pollinating the rest of my crop from useful seeds, out of 6 blueberries n choc i had 1 herm but my herm rate with humboldt seed co is much higher i would say probably a 2-1 ratio which is what im currently experiencing. Unless the other two girls in that tent arent girls at all.

Ive already contacted HSC and they have intentions on making it right, the customer service rep remembered me from the time before when i had issues with notorious thc herms and poor germination rates, and was rather helpful once again.

I know im gonna get the throw them out yadda yadda shit im just letting these “girls” finish up & start fresh with a new plan and was wondering if anyone can lend any help.

I have intentions on purchasing regs and just growing them out, but i wanted to give feminized seeds one last chance because maybe it truly is genetics, my environment is controlled, i dont overwater/underwater my plants, My PH is inline at 6.5 almost always and my soil is dialed in, i dont know where im going wrong if this is in fact an issue on my end thats causing this.

Thanks All
 
NanoGadget

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I run fems frequently and have only had one strain that had a serious tendency towards throwing nanners. I kept it anyway though because it is my favorite strain. The rest have been well behaved. Have you tried In House Genetics?
 
Rurumo

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I've never had issues with any feminized seeds I've used. I remember how people used to trash Greenhouse fem seeds in the 2000s for the reason you mentioned, but I never had any hermie. I mostly use regs, but Ive grown out fems from a dozen different breeders at least. Ace produces good fems, their fem strains are equal to their regs in terms of quality and consistency.
 
Lordhooha

Lordhooha

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Veeplants said:
I have been growing out fems for quite some time now, i appreciate the fact that “feminized seeds” produce female flowers, but the huge downside to this is the amount of hermaphrodites i get from the genetics i am using, ive been growing humboldt seed co’s fem line for roughly 2-3 different cycles, i had 2/4 herm first cycle and wrote it off, second cycle, also had a herm pineapple upside down cake, which ended up pollinating the rest of my crop from useful seeds, out of 6 blueberries n choc i had 1 herm but my herm rate with humboldt seed co is much higher i would say probably a 2-1 ratio which is what im currently experiencing. Unless the other two girls in that tent arent girls at all.

Ive already contacted HSC and they have intentions on making it right, the customer service rep remembered me from the time before when i had issues with notorious thc herms and poor germination rates, and was rather helpful once again.

I know im gonna get the throw them out yadda yadda shit im just letting these “girls” finish up & start fresh with a new plan and was wondering if anyone can lend any help.

I have intentions on purchasing regs and just growing them out, but i wanted to give feminized seeds one last chance because maybe it truly is genetics, my environment is controlled, i dont overwater/underwater my plants, My PH is inline at 6.5 almost always and my soil is dialed in, i dont know where im going wrong if this is in fact an issue on my end thats causing this.

Thanks All
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What’s your temps, humidity and all that look like? Do you have light leaks faulty timers or something along those lines. I run hundreds of fem seeds a month and havent ran into hermie issues with them.
 
buyyouabeer

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Actual male pollen sacks or nanners? I am in the final stretch of Magic Melon, Notorious THC, Hi-Biscus and Vanilla Frosting at 12+ weeks flower. These plants have been stellar, very vigorous and smell wonderful. I have always grown female seeds and only once did I get a true intersexed plant Dinafem Blue Amnesia XXL (had definite balls). I have had nanners here and there but never found a seed; which I would be stoked about.
 
Lordhooha

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BBQtoast said:
No stable reg, male female, fem, auto or ruderalis line exists which is why there isn't one available in any form and every plant holds the genes to herm.

Pineapple upsidown isn't easy why it Hermes, stick to beginner strains or get better at growing.
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There are stable strains out there. It all comes from good breeding habits. There are ways to breed out issues in plants.
 
BBQtoast

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Lordhooha said:
There are stable strains out there. It all comes from good breeding habits. There are ways to breed out issues in plants.
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Less talk more go breed a new gen of Herm free weed please, seed companies tried for thirty years, you got something better?
 
NanoGadget

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BBQtoast said:
Less talk more go breed a new gen of Herm free weed please, seed companies tried for thirty years, you got something better?
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I have a genetic line that I've been working with on and off for 20+ years that I've never seen produce hermaphroditic triats. I've seen it throw nanners twice and both times were the result of extreme stress. I'm not certain what you mean by herm free, but there are plenty of stable genetic lines out there if you know what to look for.
 
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What’s your temps, humidity and all that look like? Do you have light leaks faulty timers or something along those lines. I run hundreds of fem seeds a month and havent ran into hermie issues with them.
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temps are 60-65 F lights off. 75F with light on, i recently acquired a humidity controller because it is winter where i am and the air is rather dry im assuming the fact that my humidity has fluctuated could be playing a part, (but ive had herms from hsc in perfect conditions) up until last month it sat right around 55 rh in flower, currently at 40% but i am slowly but surely getting it dialed in now. Veg temps are rather similar, maybe hits 78 F in veg.Veg RH is 60% Consistently because of humidifier. No faulty timers, no light leaks.
 
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NanoGadget said:
I run fems frequently and have only had one strain that had a serious tendency towards throwing nanners. I kept it anyway though because it is my favorite strain. The rest have been well behaved. Have you tried In House Genetics?
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It seems that im not the only person that has gotten herms from hsc, this pineapple upside down cake is a full blown herm but the peach cob right next to it is nanner free, i read a thread where multiple people were complaining about their fem line. I have not tried in house genetics.
 
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BBQtoast said:
No stable reg, male female, fem, auto or ruderalis line exists which is why there isn't one available in any form and every plant holds the genes to herm.

Pineapple upsidown isn't easy why it Hermes, stick to beginner strains or get better at growing.
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Im well aware that every plant holds the genes to possibly herm, what makes you say pineapple upside down cake isnt easy? Ive had zero issues up unto flower. Its funny that you just made the assumption that i need to stick to beginner strains when in my short time ive grown ive had practically zero issues with any reg, and MOST fems, ive never had a reg seed herm, ive actually only ever had one other herm, aside from the total of 7 herms ive had from hsc. Other breeders lineages can be stronger and less likely to herm, and it seems that hsc has a weak lineage. This is the point behind my post, go smoke a j and chill out man no need for hostility to other people in the thread.
 
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buyyouabeer said:
Actual male pollen sacks or nanners? I am in the final stretch of Magic Melon, Notorious THC, Hi-Biscus and Vanilla Frosting at 12+ weeks flower. These plants have been stellar, very vigorous and smell wonderful. I have always grown female seeds and only once did I get a true intersexed plant Dinafem Blue Amnesia XXL (had definite balls). I have had nanners here and there but never found a seed; which I would be stoked about.
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actual male pollen sacs man

Personally if i found a seed in bud from a plant that hermed i wouldnt grow it because it is more likely to herm even more than its “momma” just my two cents man.
 

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macsnax

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There's a lot more to it than saying fems have a tendency to herm. Why so many people have it stuck in their head that these plants are forced to herm out to produce pollen, idk. It's usually done through silver particles that manipulate the hormones in the female, blocking ethylene production. This isn't a generic trait that's carried into the offspring. Always check all parameters in your grow before blaming it on something else. Any seed line can herm under the right conditions, some much easier than others.
 
BBQtoast

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NanoGadget said:
I have a genetic line that I've been working with on and off for 20+ years that I've never seen produce hermaphroditic triats. I've seen it throw nanners twice and both times were the result of extreme stress. I'm not certain what you mean by herm free, but there are plenty of stable genetic lines out there if you know what to look for.
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Agreed but it's still a skill none of those plants will make it possible for others to never experience Herms again try as you and breeders want. I've seen thirty years of people and breeders do their absolute best but it's not working to alleviate the problem. Wild cuts from resistant crops, indoor schemes, resistant parents, clones.

Fuck bro it's just a myth, where's any results other than some strains are easier and some harder and a lot of new growers just herming everything. Might as well be selling me purp strains as better than green and other stuff that's easy to twist round.
 
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BBQtoast said:
I did, you didn't like my suggestion to breed easier strains or that it was a problem your end, probably adding pH to your soil.
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No its not that i didnt like your suggestion or that i wasnt willing to listen to what you had to say. if youve got 30 years in the game im all ears. Im not new to this but i will admit that im always willing to learn something new, ive been at this a little over 2 years and have learned quite a bit from some helpful people. You’re losing me here with the whole “adding ph to your soil” part.
 
BBQtoast

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Veeplants said:
No its not that i didnt like your suggestion or that i wasnt willing to listen to what you had to say. if youve got 30 years in the game im all ears. Im not new to this but i will admit that im always willing to learn something new, ive been at this a little over 2 years and have learned quite a bit from some helpful people. You’re losing me here with the whole “adding ph to your soil” part.
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On another thread low land Thai was singled out as a Herm strain, I bet you somewhere there is a guy growing it without Herms reading that thread saying 'fuckoff it's not a Herm strain you noobs'.

It's what you make it, Herms and strains are sent to challenge you, make you a better grower, simpletons throw in the towel and do negative writeups and look for easier routes.

You got to have a little dedication to your craft if you want one.
 
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