Does a reliable feminized line even exist?

BBQtoast

BBQtoast

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xtsho said:
Where did you study plant genetics and what does your post have to do with feminized cannabis seeds?

And if you're going to cut and paste from the internet you should cite your source which happens to be wikipedia.

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Studied in school then college, I didn't do any work with femenized crops.

The quotes marks around the quote denote it's a quote, citations are not always necessary - you learn than in college when you quote stuff that doesn't need referencing, like in one study cuz said '......'. No citation needed.
 
getogrow

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BBQtoast said:
What point,
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The basics.... as in trainwreck can have a bunch of different phenos. Nobody said trainwreck is going to hermie 100% everytime... Did you not read the post you are talking abuot ?
Im not into breeding terms and whatnot.... i claim to know jack shit about the genetic makeup of a cannabis plant. im simply pointing out that when you said "trainwreck has been grown without seeds" , you missed the whole post.

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Trainwreck - sativa crosses people found hard to grow when it came out in an overhyped market as the next strongest strain. Point proved again, not sure you or others really grew that strain out much to know.
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What exactly IS your point ?!
 
BBQtoast

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getogrow said:
The basics.... as in trainwreck can have a bunch of different phenos. Nobody said trainwreck is going to hermie 100% everytime... Did you not read the post you are talking abuot ?
Im not into breeding terms and whatnot.... i claim to know jack shit about the genetic makeup of a cannabis plant. im simply pointing out that when you said "trainwreck has been grown without seeds" , you missed the whole post.


What exactly IS your point ?!
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That Trainwreck wasn't an easy grow, many saw Nana's, nothing to do with a Herm trait, one of its parents is meant to be low land Thai.

There is no breedable Herm trait or stable strain, the easy strains Herm less the main trigger stress of many types.

And to repeat that if you want a strain that Herms less pick a beginner one like kush or Afghan not silver haze or lemon Thai.
 
Rurumo

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I think some people just take it as a personal insult when they find out their hermies are a result of user error rather than the fault of the breeder, particularly with the Golden God in the White House preaching the philosophy of "take no personal responsibility for anything, EVER." As a whole, the online cannabis growing community is vastly more skilled now than it was 10-15 years ago as best practices have become common place and "bro science" practices have died out. This idea of fem seeds and certain breeders producing hermies was a daily topic back then. I used to grow out a lot of Greenhouse hazes back then, and they developed a terrible reputation as hermie producers because of a few vocal forum residents, but out of 100+ greenhouse seeds grown out (back then), I never found a hermie...THEN I realized something interesting. The people complaining about hermies often listed multiple breeders as producing a lot of hermies, it was hardly ever ONE STRAIN one time. That's when I realized these people were doing something consistently wrong for this to happen.
 
getogrow

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BBQtoast said:
That Trainwreck wasn't an easy grow, many saw Nana's, nothing to do with a Herm trait, one of its parents is meant to be low land Thai.

There is no breedable Herm trait or stable strain, the easy strains Herm less the main trigger stress of many types.

And to repeat that if you want a strain that Herms less pick a beginner one like kush or Afghan not silver haze or lemon Thai.
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So you are saying there is no such thing as a stable strain? whats the point of breeding then?

Im well aware of the growers being at fault for most "herms" if thats what your trying to push.
 
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BBQtoast

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getogrow said:
So you are saying there is no such thing as a stable strain? whats the point of breeding then?

Im well aware of the growers being at fault for most "herms" if thats what your trying to push.
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Breeding is for taste high and yeild sometimes CBD, it has never been for Herms and there is no breeding pattern ever shown for Herms which is why after fifty years of seedbanks and breeders we still have Herms.

A stable strain just means if you buy apples you get apples not oranges. If you buy apples and get oranges and those oranges were harder to grow than apples it wasn't very stable and you might get Herms because you don't have the skill for oranges.

There are many many stable strains, you just assume it means Herms as well, it doesn't. Overall you get Herms more from fucking up and sativas,stuff that's harder to grow, that's common knowledge.

Genetically it is what it is, something that's in every plant triggered by environmental factors not breeding.

Others seem to want a confusion, easier to sell seed I guess.
 
BBQtoast

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There's no real argument, half of everything is advertised better than it is, not even this topic but auto flowering times, thc levels, it wouldn't be the first time seed genetics have been so falsely claimed and found wrong. Even then it doesn't change, people still asking why their auto should be finished by day 55 and is nowhere near.

It's a good idea to post this stuff especially now, just think of all them little kids getting their first seeds and LEDs for Christmas only to find they Herm, now they have a better idea what to expect and possibly time to change those hybrid sativas to more easier indica growing strains.
 
kwigybo88

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Fem seeds are stigmatized for a variety of reasons, almost all of which are due to an imperfect understanding of what causes hermaphroditism, which has more or less already been covered in this thread.

The sentence "fem seeds are more prone to herm than regs" is a red herring. It all depends on who made them, the practices used, the stability of the parents and so forth.

What i do see an awful lot of is when a fem herms people will often blame it on their using fem seeds or the process of feminization. When regs herm people are more inclined to blame themselves or the genetics for being predisposed to it.

An awful lot of confirmation bias going on there i think.

Imo fem seeds are a godsend to the community and as long as one does their research its all good. Regs or fems, if youre going to grow anything containing chem, sour, cookies, og, and lets face it, thats 80+% of the market right there, then you will get herms from time to time.
 
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Jumpin Jimmy

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Veeplants said:
I have been growing out fems for quite some time now, i appreciate the fact that “feminized seeds” produce female flowers, but the huge downside to this is the amount of hermaphrodites i get from the genetics i am using, ive been growing humboldt seed co’s fem line for roughly 2-3 different cycles, i had 2/4 herm first cycle and wrote it off, second cycle, also had a herm pineapple upside down cake, which ended up pollinating the rest of my crop from useful seeds, out of 6 blueberries n choc i had 1 herm but my herm rate with humboldt seed co is much higher i would say probably a 2-1 ratio which is what im currently experiencing. Unless the other two girls in that tent arent girls at all.

Ive already contacted HSC and they have intentions on making it right, the customer service rep remembered me from the time before when i had issues with notorious thc herms and poor germination rates, and was rather helpful once again.

I know im gonna get the throw them out yadda yadda shit im just letting these “girls” finish up & start fresh with a new plan and was wondering if anyone can lend any help.

I have intentions on purchasing regs and just growing them out, but i wanted to give feminized seeds one last chance because maybe it truly is genetics, my environment is controlled, i dont overwater/underwater my plants, My PH is inline at 6.5 almost always and my soil is dialed in, i dont know where im going wrong if this is in fact an issue on my end thats causing this.

Thanks All
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Lots of reliable fems but not many reliable growers. Big Buddha and Devils Harvest Seeds are my go to breeders. I’ve tried dozens of others
 
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Jumpin Jimmy

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Rurumo said:
I've never had issues with any feminized seeds I've used. I remember how people used to trash Greenhouse fem seeds in the 2000s for the reason you mentioned, but I never had any hermie. I mostly use regs, but Ive grown out fems from a dozen different breeders at least. Ace produces good fems, their fem strains are equal to their regs in terms of quality and consistency.
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I’ve grown ace seeds Kali China fems. Very nice smoke
 
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Jumpin Jimmy

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macsnax said:
There's a lot more to it than saying fems have a tendency to herm. Why so many people have it stuck in their head that these plants are forced to herm out to produce pollen, idk. It's usually done through silver particles that manipulate the hormones in the female, blocking ethylene production. This isn't a generic trait that's carried into the offspring. Always check all parameters in your grow before blaming it on something else. Any seed line can herm under the right conditions, some much easier than others.
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Exactly. It’s not a genetic trait. It’s not something that’s passed on to next seed generation. People need to learn to think things through. If a plant had nitrogen deficiency does that mean it’s seed crop will genetically have nitrogen deficiency ? Of course not. It’s not a genetic trait.
 
BBQtoast

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Jumpin Jimmy said:
Exactly. It’s not a genetic trait. It’s not something that’s passed on to next seed generation. People need to learn to think things through. If a plant had nitrogen deficiency does that mean it’s seed crop will genetically have nitrogen deficiency ? Of course not. It’s not a genetic trait.
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Frustrating for those who know but face the constant genetic speculation of others.
 
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thank you boys for helping me get dialed back in, winter has been a bitch as this is my first grow in winter, i finally dialed back my exhaust to vent once an hour rather than constantly and it has made a huge difference in temps and rh, im assuming my CFM on my exhaust is just too much for the 4x4 to maintain temp and rh with the way its pulling cool air in currently, again thank you for helping me get dialed back in, I learned alot from this post, from alot of you guys. Temps under LED were too low, i am going to assume this is the result of stress induced hermaphrodites. My fuck up, live and learn.
 
Kdoggy

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Rurumo said:
I've never had issues with any feminized seeds I've used. I remember how people used to trash Greenhouse fem seeds in the 2000s for the reason you mentioned, but I never had any hermie. I mostly use regs, but Ive grown out fems from a dozen different breeders at least. Ace produces good fems, their fem strains are equal to their regs in terms of quality and consistency.
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So if a guy grows regs and tosses males less chance of hitting herms? Ive had a bad run of nanners in multiple grow setups running fems. I spend hours picken them.
 
pulpoinspace

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Kdoggy said:
So if a guy grows regs and tosses males less chance of hitting herms? Ive had a bad run of nanners in multiple grow setups running fems. I spend hours picken them.
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No, If you're consistently seeing nanners from different breeders I would look at your own processes for the culprit. Responsibly made feminized seeds have no greater herm % than reg seeds.
 
Kdoggy

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T macc said:
Herms should not be frequent. My friend grew fem seeds for a year straight and got nothing but hermies. That's because he was trying to put a little Mars light into a big space. I stepped in and haven't seen a hermie since. What's your wattage and space?
Stop choosing flavor of the month strains; Its hype. And as others have said, check your environment. Herms should be a very rare thing.

I also haven't touched a fem seed in 5 years. Only seen a hermie once, 3 years ago and it was the only one I've seen in 11 years of cultivating
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Well ive got three diff grow areas maxed light and mid level and i still get them from fems. But i try 5 new strains each run now so i dunno. And i grow inside and in garage two totally diff setups no light leaks dont even enter spaces till lights on.
 
Kdoggy

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pulpoinspace said:
No, If you're consistently seeing nanners from different breeders I would look at your own processes for the culprit. Responsibly made feminized seeds have no greater herm % than reg seeds.
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Ok ya ive got 3 set ups in two totally different zones.
 
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