madvillian420
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shhhhh they are "universally loved"! you know nothing jon snow
Does anyone have experience with Spider Farmer LED units?
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jonnynobody
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That sounds like a good approach. Convenience is not to be undervalued. Let us know what you think when you get them up and running.
Another intelligent post from the cream of the crop. How's that tin foil hat fit ya these days?
jonnynobody
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I think the same thing about you that your parents do at this point. What a waste of time. You are now ignored. Have a good day.
Merkn4aSquirtn
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We get it.. yes, they are all the made with the same hardware, same diodes, basically identical (most qb’s with mean wells) made in China. Most American companies even buy their products from China and slap a “made in USA” sticker on or “assembled in USA”. Sitting here arguing about where people buy their shit is fucking stupid. We have trade laws for a reason. The reason being is that if everyone bought their shit from alibaba or aliexpress (because China can pay their “workers” pennies on the dollar a day for manufacturing products) you probably wouldn’t have a fucking job. Tbh you should probably thank the guys that buy hlg products and any products that you buy locally.
That being said I want to say that I bought a qb from alibaba 2 weeks ago, so thank you all non greedy guys n gals out there that don’t fork your money over to a communist over populated country. My hats are off to you guys!
That being said I want to say that I bought a qb from alibaba 2 weeks ago, so thank you all non greedy guys n gals out there that don’t fork your money over to a communist over populated country. My hats are off to you guys!
mtntrogger
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The thing is I believe that watts per sq/ft are irrelevant here since its been proven time and time again that watts are terribly inaccurate indicator of light intensity. Most heads that run led say that around 20 watt sq/ft is super intense with leds. The old 50w sq/ft rule doesnt apply with these lights, since they are much more efficient. Like I said, I did lots of research.
420drummer
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I just did a run with one of the sf4000. No complaints. I would definitely recommend it for a casual grower. I’m not no commercial grower so I have no complaints 
jonnynobody
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There isn't an argument. This is a thread about comparing components and saving the consumer money. Just like in real life there's always some yahoo who can't participate in an intelligent discussion. They geneally have no fact based data to contribute, but they love to add vitriol, piss, and vinegar in copious amounts. Stay far away from people like that. They will consume your most valuable asset. Your time. You will exit the conversation with no return on your investment. We have one like that in the white house destroying America. He'll be evicted in a few months, and America can begin rebuilding.We get it.. yes, they are all the made with the same hardware, same diodes, basically identical (most qb’s with mean wells) made in China. Most American companies even buy their products from China and slap a “made in USA” sticker on or “assembled in USA”. Sitting here arguing about where people buy their shit is fucking stupid. We have trade laws for a reason. The reason being is that if everyone bought their shit from alibaba or aliexpress (because China can pay their “workers” pennies on the dollar a day for manufacturing products) you probably wouldn’t have a fucking job. Tbh you should probably thank the guys that buy hlg products and any products that you buy locally.
That being said I want to say that I bought a qb from alibaba 2 weeks ago, so thank you all non greedy guys n gals out there that don’t fork your money over to a communist over populated country. My hats are off to you guys!
Kudos to you on your purchase, and significant savings on Alibaba. By all means leave a review and post the specs from the unit you purchased. Also, let us know how long the unit takes to arrive.
NAFTA is the primary reason manufacturing left the United States. Thank Bill Clinton who signed the Republican legislation into law with bi-partisan support, so American companies could rape the Chinese and Mexican peope for cheap labor driving higher profits to American companies. Blame democrats and republicans. They aren't as different as they would like us to believe.
jonnynobody
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Look at the bud sparkle! Kudos on a successful run with your new SF-4000. I can't wait to get mine on Monday. Excited to the tits!
jonnynobody
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Spot on sir.
jonnynobody
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I would save that Viparspectra unit for vegetative growth. The actual wattage on that unit is probably 100-150 watts. Great for a mother plant, seedlings, or a over a clone bucket. I currently flower with 2 1000w hortilux lamps in 6" glass hoods and 2 cheap LED "HI GROW" brand lights a buddy traded me for 18 clones of hash plant. I would never pay for junk like that, but 2 of them do quite nicely in a 5'x5'x6.5' veg tent or at the edge of my flower canopy where light drop off occurs. Keeps the flowers on the edge of my canopy as tight and dense as the flowers in the middle of the canopy.
I plan to add either the spider farm unit or the Alibaba unit to my flower room with my existing HID units. After my next harvest I would like to add a second unit which will max out my space. I currently achieve 2.5-3# per harvest with 12 plants. Sativa dominant strains always produce more. GG#4 hit 3# with 9 plants, whereas hash plant, a pure indica, bombed at 2.4# out of 12. I'm being more careful with my genetics now. I have the following in my veg tent presently:
Maui Waui
Girl Scout Cookies
Moonshine Haze #1 x Ghost train Haze #1
Jager
Critical Mass
Maui Waui
And I have Blue Dream on the way from seedsman.
I only have space for 3 mothers, so we'll see which are the most special. My money is on Blue Dream, Haze, and Maui Waui. I hear good things about critical mass and GSC though.
StareCase
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I use two of them currently for VEG. The 600W DS Reflectors (DS stands for Dimmable Series) each draw 280 from the wall. I read that 30 of those watts are used by the rather noisy cooling fans. The diodes themselves throw in the neighborhood of 250 real watts towards the plants.
Each plant gets their own blurple with both VEG and BLOOM lights on. They are each SCROG'd to about 2 square feet at which point I take the cuttings for the next crop and move the girls from VEG into flower.
But you are correct - they are PHENOMENAL veg lights.
Five of diamonds
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So this is slightly off topic but not really, because I am considering buying some SF4000s. So bare with me.
Let's say I am looking to cover a 20x20 space. If I went with SF4000s, I would need? Let's say 1 SF4000 truly covers a 3x3. 400watts covering a 5x5 like the company claims, is not gonna happen. not with results I demand for my money. And the reason I say 3x3 is because EVERY 400 watt light I have owned, couldn't give me enough bang for buck in a 4x4 space. I am not talking about what will grow plants. I am talking about maximum yield/quality for my space. So 3x3 seems like all we could expect from a 400 watt light if we are talking about maximum potential for the plant. BUT seeing as how from the looks of things you are a fundamentalist when it comes to defending these lights, i will say 1 SF4000 on a 4x4 will get PRIME results just to appease you. So, to cover a 20x20 space with SF4000s we would need 25 of them... well where i live, on Amazon its $800 per SF4000. So thats $20,000 before tax and shipping...wow
Let's compare to a 1000w DE HPS set up for the same area. 1000w de hps cover 5x5 easy. So we need 16 of them. You can get those with a bulb (not the best bulb in the world) with shade and attached ballast for $300 on Amazon. So thats $4,800. For PROVEN results that cannot be argued by anyone because HPS works and we all know it. So how long do you think you would need to run the HPS room to eat up the saved $15,200 in electricity? Exactly. They cost more money to cool and all that? Bullshit. How about the bigger yields you get with them making up for the extra fans you would need? How about thc% whats the story on that with the battle between lights? Are we 100% certain that the SF4000/other LEDs produce plants that have the same thc content as HPS or CMH? I dont know. I want UV suplimet added with hps, does LED need extra UV?
20,000 bucks for Chinese lights...i dont know man that seems lunatic.
Let's say I am looking to cover a 20x20 space. If I went with SF4000s, I would need? Let's say 1 SF4000 truly covers a 3x3. 400watts covering a 5x5 like the company claims, is not gonna happen. not with results I demand for my money. And the reason I say 3x3 is because EVERY 400 watt light I have owned, couldn't give me enough bang for buck in a 4x4 space. I am not talking about what will grow plants. I am talking about maximum yield/quality for my space. So 3x3 seems like all we could expect from a 400 watt light if we are talking about maximum potential for the plant. BUT seeing as how from the looks of things you are a fundamentalist when it comes to defending these lights, i will say 1 SF4000 on a 4x4 will get PRIME results just to appease you. So, to cover a 20x20 space with SF4000s we would need 25 of them... well where i live, on Amazon its $800 per SF4000. So thats $20,000 before tax and shipping...wow
Let's compare to a 1000w DE HPS set up for the same area. 1000w de hps cover 5x5 easy. So we need 16 of them. You can get those with a bulb (not the best bulb in the world) with shade and attached ballast for $300 on Amazon. So thats $4,800. For PROVEN results that cannot be argued by anyone because HPS works and we all know it. So how long do you think you would need to run the HPS room to eat up the saved $15,200 in electricity? Exactly. They cost more money to cool and all that? Bullshit. How about the bigger yields you get with them making up for the extra fans you would need? How about thc% whats the story on that with the battle between lights? Are we 100% certain that the SF4000/other LEDs produce plants that have the same thc content as HPS or CMH? I dont know. I want UV suplimet added with hps, does LED need extra UV?
20,000 bucks for Chinese lights...i dont know man that seems lunatic.
farmingfisherman
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Let me guess, you also shop at Wal-Mart?
jonnynobody
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I can tell you've never actually ran a commercial grow room which is why you're asking the questions you are and making the assumptions you have stated. I have two 1000W HPS hortilux lamps. 1 ballast is a Hydrofarm Phantom II digital ballast. The other is a Cali brand digital ballast. HPS produces reliable results which is why I bought them in the first place, and continue to use them today.
All of my lights purchased moving forward will be LED for the same reasons most commercial greenhouses have transitioned their entire facilities to LED. It's clear to me that you have never run a commercial grow room. The costs of cooling HID's is considerable. Have you any idea what it would take to cool 16 DE 1000W lamps? Not to mention what it would take to cool the room beneath your glass sealed air cooled hoods? Are you installing the HVAC system yourself? You'll spend $20,000 on your HVAC system just to handle the heat in addition to the monthly electric bill to power that HVAC system which is why I can tell you have never actually run a commercial grow room. I'd be shocked if you have even run a small tent to make such an absurd statement.
You should setup your grow room the way you feel it will operate the most efficient with the most output. You don't design your system based on conjecture.
Do you think that the commercial greenhouse owners that have tens of millions of dollars invested don't know what they're doing or can't afford expert advice to know more than someone like you? They can, and that is why most have switched to LED lighting.
jonnynobody
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Why would anybody not shop at Wal-Mart? Do you think somehow the import of cheap goods will end, because you made a personal stand against Wal-Mart? How delusional are you?
Five of diamonds
Member
So you have run a commercial grow? Is that what you are saying? And are you saying that if you had a space that was 20x20 to grow in, thst you would spend around $20,000 on SF4000s? Are you saying my math is wrong on the amount of lights needed? Are you saying that HPS gets worse results than Spider farmer LEDs? Are you saying that there are several growers on this site alone who have over 16,000 watts in their operations are fools for using HID? are you saying that you are absolutely SURE that those who have thos and its proven that they do, spent 20 grand on their HVAC?
Five of diamonds
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We are not talking about greenhouses. Show me someone who dropped 20 grand on spider farmer.
jonnynobody
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This is what I will say. I wish you the best of luck in designing your room.
Five of diamonds
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And upon re reading this thread. I just realized that you do not even have a single harvest under your belt using these lights. So why are you such an asshole when defending them? Is it just your personality to be abrassive? You have no idea if i have grown before and how big my grows were yet you throw insults around like a monkey throwing shit. I am considering buying some of the very lights you seem to defend like they are your own family or God. My space is akin to 20x20. I have never grown on that scale, hence why I ask questions before I spend money. I think maybe we could all do better by being less insulting to one another and talking like adults instead of jabbing at one another. It adds nothing.